TREO 650 or Blackberry 7250 for Sprint?

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...

> I think it is a VERY overrated and possibly irrelvant "selling point"
> in light of the cpability of the devices, and given that SMS messages
> are not terribly high-target items of information, and since the Treo
> does SMTP, POP and IMAP with SSL encryption over a digital CDMA
> connection .... the possibility of the data being captured in transit
> is somewhere between slim to none.
>

BB's encryption is operated in such a way that even BB can't read the
messages sent via a BES.

While CDMA encryption is very, very good, it's still open to action
being taken by the carrier. It doesn't have to happen in transit.


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>BB's encryption is operated in such a way that even BB can't read the
>messages sent via a BES.


Well, I wouldn't bet on that what with the Patriot act and all of that
horse****. I can't imagine that they will let completely
unreadable-by-anyone data at the corporate level flying around lest the
"terrorists" get ahold of it. I'm pretty sure there is a back door.

Either way, I don't know how many people are concerned about this. I
haven't heard of a rash of Treo SMS messages or email being swiped.
Outlook on the other hand ....

And how many of the Outlook users use PGP?


>While CDMA encryption is very, very good, it's still open to action
>being taken by the carrier. It doesn't have to happen in transit.


I think any carrier retains the capability to tap any device if they
really want to.

I just don't think that there is any real-world demand for blackberry's
security. People still send 99%+ of email from their desktop, and CDMA
is more secure than that.

I just don't see people demanding even more mobile message security, or
very many people who would take a device with less features because of
the storage scheme.

You can put PGP on a Palm. That's more secure than BlackBerry. But
how many people use it?

Mike Callery wrote:
> John Doe wrote:
>
>> This is a stupid question, but how does Sprint and the Treo do push
>> email?
>>
>>
>>
> The Treo does not have a push email capability like the Blackberry as
> the Treo does not have it's own IP and email address assigned much like
> the BB.
>
> Now, with that said, most people do not give out there BB address (I
> simply said most) due to SPAM but instead, used the BB web client to get
> mail and push it down.
>
> Since the BB webclient polls mail accounts at 15 min intervals and since
> the Treo has Versamail which can poll every 15 minutes, that issue is a
> wash.
>
> Having owned a BB with the push, and having switched to a Treo 650, that
> one issue is not critical enough for me to say with the BB and the other
> features and functionality of the Treo is what sold me.
>
www.chatteremail.com it's a great email app that allows push email on
the Treo. It uses "IDLE", a feature in some IMAP servers to enable
push. I use it, and love it. I wouldn't give up my Treo for a BB.

I have used Snappermail exclusively for 3 years (tens of thousands of
emails), and it is by far my favorite PALM OS email application.

Like Tinman, I also put a procmail forward on my email (in a rule after
it has been run through my spamfilter of course), that sends an SMS
whenever I get an email. I can then decide whether it is worth
downloading or can wait until later.

You can set it to poll every 5 mintes, 15 minutes, every hour, or what
have you. 15 minutes seems to work fine for just about everyone. It's
not instant, but getting email with 15 minutes (maximum) of it being
sent wherever you are in the country is usually sufficient. If
something is so urgent that they need your immediate attention, they
will call you (remember, it IS a phone too) ... or they will SMS.

It will store messages/attachments on the SD card, which is invaluable
for the tiny amount of memory in the Treo.

Snappermail is a no-go if you need to sync the mail to/from your
dekstop though. But if you use IMAP, it's all synced anyway ... and
even duplicates are okay for most folks.

It has a free trial. Why not give it a shot? If it's not for you, just
delete it.

www.snappermail.com

I have no affiliation with them, just a customer.

Mike Callery wrote:
> John Doe wrote:
>> This is a stupid question, but how does Sprint and the Treo do push
>> email?
> The Treo does not have a push email capability like the Blackberry as
> the Treo does not have it's own IP and email address assigned much
> like the BB.
>

This is a Sprint PCS NG. The OP asked about either a Sprint Treo 650 or
a Sprint Blackberry 7250--both CDMA. Sprint doesn't give either device a
static IP. I don't think most mobile operators do, aside from perhaps
Nextel (not CDMA).

You act as if the device is lost in the void without a static IP. This
is not the case.


--
Mike

FWIW wrote:
> I have used Snappermail exclusively for 3 years (tens of thousands of
> emails), and it is by far my favorite PALM OS email application.
>
> Like Tinman, I also put a procmail forward on my email (in a rule after
> it has been run through my spamfilter of course), that sends an SMS
> whenever I get an email. I can then decide whether it is worth
> downloading or can wait until later.
>
> You can set it to poll every 5 mintes, 15 minutes, every hour, or what
> have you. 15 minutes seems to work fine for just about everyone. It's
> not instant, but getting email with 15 minutes (maximum) of it being
> sent wherever you are in the country is usually sufficient. If
> something is so urgent that they need your immediate attention, they
> will call you (remember, it IS a phone too) ... or they will SMS.
>
> It will store messages/attachments on the SD card, which is invaluable
> for the tiny amount of memory in the Treo.
>
> Snappermail is a no-go if you need to sync the mail to/from your
> dekstop though. But if you use IMAP, it's all synced anyway ... and
> even duplicates are okay for most folks.
>
> It has a free trial. Why not give it a shot? If it's not for you, just
> delete it.
>
> www.snappermail.com
>
> I have no affiliation with them, just a customer.
>
I was a big snapper fan until I got addicted to the push of chatter. I
can move emails to subfolders with ease (you have to create all of your
sub folders in Snapper to enable this) and you never get a important
email 20 minutes late which all depends on your sync interval on
Snapper. I owned the Enterprise version of Snapper for $70 and gladly
paid ~$40 for SSL enabled chatter.

Just my opinion.

Tinman wrote:
> Mike Callery wrote:
>
>>John Doe wrote:
>>
>>>This is a stupid question, but how does Sprint and the Treo do push
>>>email?
>>
>>The Treo does not have a push email capability like the Blackberry as
>>the Treo does not have it's own IP and email address assigned much
>>like the BB.
>>
>
>
> This is a Sprint PCS NG. The OP asked about either a Sprint Treo 650 or
> a Sprint Blackberry 7250--both CDMA. Sprint doesn't give either device a
> static IP. I don't think most mobile operators do, aside from perhaps
> Nextel (not CDMA).
>
> You act as if the device is lost in the void without a static IP. This
> is not the case.
>
>
I think the only way that sprint offers static IP is through their EVDO
enabled data cards on a business plan!?

"FWIW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Treo's have tens of thousands of third party applications. It is a
>phone, a camera, an MP3 Player, a web browser, a gameboy machine, a
>workhorse with word and excel docs, etc, etc

I'm a Treo user. But when I got my first one I was surprised to discover,
after all the Palm hype, that a whole lot of add-on Palm software is pretty
shabbily written. I searched for a year, for example, before I found a basic
Palm alarm clock app that was actually pleasant and quick to use.

Then there's the builtin PalmOS apps. They are better written, but they're
just really rudimentary. They feel like they do what they originally did at
"Palm Version 1", and not much more. I would have thought there would be more
to them... Simple is good, but evolving over the years to "Simple with
'Advanced Options' button" or "Simple with Intuitive Extras" would be better.

So, yes, there are a lot of apps, but the tradeoff is that you may not want
them. Perhaps the Palm add-on software market is just too small, compared for
example with the Windows or Mac add-on market.

I have no idea if RIM does better or worse.

yours,
Garry

I can't say that your totally off-base on this, but that should not
preclude someone from considering a Treo.

I have had Palm devices since the very first ever hit the showroom floor
and thinking back, your right, the applications are very much the
same. Is that bad, not necessarily because they work and work well.
How do you really improve on a daily agenda view in the Calendar? I
still remember when the view was black on a greenish screen and now, the
backlit color is a major and welcome change.

Having owned a Blackberry, various Windows handhelds and the Palm, I
think each has their own merit and is good, providing that you the user
are willing to take the time to learn it and use it. They do no good if
they are in the other room when you need them.

The Treo 650 is, in my opinion, a much better integrated device to
Microsoft Outlook if you use that in the business environment. It syncs
extremely well, much better than the Blackberry, which had definite
issues syncing ongoing, repeating to-do items.

The extra software? Hmm, Adobe Reader, Documents To Go, Pocket Express,
Voice Dial, those are some pretty powerful add-ons that really keep the
Treo a strong contender. Built-in extras? Versamail, the Camera,
Realplayer. The ability to take SD cards up to 2 gig.

The Blackberry is superior in one function only, IMHO, and that is the
fact that it has it's own email/ip assignment and gets instantaneous
receipt of most email as opposed to getting it ever so slightly delayed
on the Treo, not enough of a difference to make a real difference.

Again, having owned both, if you offered me the best of either with free
service with the best carrier, personally, I'd still go with the Treo.





Garry W wrote:
> "FWIW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Treo's have tens of thousands of third party applications. It is a
>>phone, a camera, an MP3 Player, a web browser, a gameboy machine, a
>>workhorse with word and excel docs, etc, etc
>
>
> I'm a Treo user. But when I got my first one I was surprised to discover,
> after all the Palm hype, that a whole lot of add-on Palm software is pretty
> shabbily written. I searched for a year, for example, before I found a basic
> Palm alarm clock app that was actually pleasant and quick to use.
>
> Then there's the builtin PalmOS apps. They are better written, but they're
> just really rudimentary. They feel like they do what they originally did at
> "Palm Version 1", and not much more. I would have thought there would be more
> to them... Simple is good, but evolving over the years to "Simple with
> 'Advanced Options' button" or "Simple with Intuitive Extras" would be better.
>
> So, yes, there are a lot of apps, but the tradeoff is that you may not want
> them. Perhaps the Palm add-on software market is just too small, compared for
> example with the Windows or Mac add-on market.
>
> I have no idea if RIM does better or worse.
>
> yours,
> Garry

Mike Callery wrote:
>
> The Blackberry is superior in one function only, IMHO, and that is the
> fact that it has it's own email/ip assignment

Why are you stating this as fact? Sprint CDMA Blackberries do not get
static IPs. Please cite a source that a Sprint Blackberry gets a static
IP, if you insist on reciting this as fact.


--
Mike

>I searched for a year, for example, before I found a basic
>Palm alarm clock app that was actually pleasant and quick to use.


It took me about 3, maybe 4 MINUTES to find BigClock, which does
exactly this and a little more. 100% free. Been using it as my alarm
clock for 3 years, never let me down. Not once.

Maybe some of us are faster searchers than others *shrug*.

Did I say Sprint Blackberry? Yes, I know, we are in the Sprint forum,
but I was speaking about Blackberry's and Treo's generically and in that
regard, the Blackberry is assigned an internal statis IP. At least it
was for the year I owned one through Nextel.



Tinman wrote:
> Mike Callery wrote:
>
>>The Blackberry is superior in one function only, IMHO, and that is the
>>fact that it has it's own email/ip assignment
>
>
> Why are you stating this as fact? Sprint CDMA Blackberries do not get
> static IPs. Please cite a source that a Sprint Blackberry gets a static
> IP, if you insist on reciting this as fact.
>
>

Should I assume that you are running Big Clock on a Sprint Treo 650?

After seeing your post I went and d/l the app, installed it and went to
go play with it. On the top of the screen is a 1 and a 2 for different
layouts. Whenever I hit the 2, it reboots my Treo.

Are you experiencing any issues with the program and/or does your Treo
do this as well?



FWIW wrote:
>>I searched for a year, for example, before I found a basic
>>Palm alarm clock app that was actually pleasant and quick to use.
>
>
>
> It took me about 3, maybe 4 MINUTES to find BigClock, which does
> exactly this and a little more. 100% free. Been using it as my alarm
> clock for 3 years, never let me down. Not once.
>
> Maybe some of us are faster searchers than others *shrug*.
>

Mike Callery wrote:
> Did I say Sprint Blackberry?

Can you not read the very subject line of this thread? Did you not state
the same incorrect information elsewhere in this thread?


> Yes, I know, we are in the Sprint forum,
> but I was speaking about Blackberry's and Treo's generically

You were "speaking" about them from the point of view of a Nextel BB
user, not "generically." You intermingled a carrier issue with a device
"feature."

I also suspect you don't understand how that Nextel BB you used actually
managed IPs, but this isn't the place to get into that...


> and in
> that regard, the Blackberry is assigned an internal statis IP. At
> least it was for the year I owned one through Nextel.
>

Then perhaps you shouldn't make assumptions based on one carrier.

Sprint doesn't issue static public IPs to CDMA Treos or CDMA BBs (not
that they couldn't if they so desired). This does not mean either device
cannot do "push" email.

Sprint does offer static IPs to connection cards. This is not to help
"push" anything. It's so enterprise customers can open up firewalls for
those static addresses, for security purposes (among other measures).


--
Mike

Tinman: I'll only say this. I'm not here to get into a pissing contest
with you and really don't give a f(#*# what your opinion is. You are
welcome to voice it if you want to get nitpicky on everything mentioned
in these forums.

My entire point, the entire purpose, was simply to help someone asking
about the comparison. I feel I did that. If you don't, so be it.


Tinman wrote:
> Mike Callery wrote:
>
>>Did I say Sprint Blackberry?
>
>
> Can you not read the very subject line of this thread? Did you not state
> the same incorrect information elsewhere in this thread?
>
>
>


>> Yes, I know, we are in the Sprint forum,
>>but I was speaking about Blackberry's and Treo's generically
>
>
> You were "speaking" about them from the point of view of a Nextel BB
> user, not "generically." You intermingled a carrier issue with a device
> "feature."
>
> I also suspect you don't understand how that Nextel BB you used actually
> managed IPs, but this isn't the place to get into that...
>
>
>
>>and in
>>that regard, the Blackberry is assigned an internal statis IP. At
>>least it was for the year I owned one through Nextel.
>>
>
>
> Then perhaps you shouldn't make assumptions based on one carrier.
>
> Sprint doesn't issue static public IPs to CDMA Treos or CDMA BBs (not
> that they couldn't if they so desired). This does not mean either device
> cannot do "push" email.
>
> Sprint does offer static IPs to connection cards. This is not to help
> "push" anything. It's so enterprise customers can open up firewalls for
> those static addresses, for security purposes (among other measures).
>
>