TechWeb: "GSM Based phones can usually be used in many non-U.S. countries."

Actually, at aleast if it is a T-mobile phone, 1st a call is made to
customer care from a phone other than your cell, so that you can give
them the 15 digit IMEI number from your cell. The representative fills
out a for and sends it off to the research department to get the
Subsidy Unlock code, which typically is then emailed to the email
addreess you provided duringg your call. The turn around time is
usually about 24 hours, unless they donot have it on file and have to
send off to the manufacturer for it. If you donot get an email from
them one way or other within 72 hours you should call, as sometimes,
the email address gets mis-typed. They can give you the instructions
over the phone.

> Is this done while-you-wait at a company store, or does the phone need to be
> sent in?
>

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On Dec 20, 8:11 am, SinghaLvr <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 09:48:00 -0500, carcarx wrote
> (in article <[email protected]>):
>
>
>
> > On Dec 7, 5:54 pm, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
Short term: Adding WiMAX. It does sound as if long term the are moving
TO
> WiMax though. This article is dated August. That's a lifetime in this
> industry. Lots can change.
>
> http://telephonyonline.com/wimax/tec...dband_spectrum...

Medium term GSM (TDMA) will be gone. European carriers are discovering
that
using the same band for W-CDMA as they're using for TDMA is desirable
(something the
cdma folks have done from day one.) Long term W-CDMA will be gone.
So, we're really talking about all carriers moving to WiMax, not just
some.

carcarx wrote:
>
> On Dec 20, 8:11 am, SinghaLvr <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 09:48:00 -0500, carcarx wrote
>> (in article <[email protected]>):
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 7, 5:54 pm, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> Short term: Adding WiMAX. It does sound as if long term the are moving
> TO
>> WiMax though. This article is dated August. That's a lifetime in this
>> industry. Lots can change.
>>
>> http://telephonyonline.com/wimax/tec...dband_spectrum...
>
> Medium term GSM (TDMA) will be gone. European carriers are discovering
> that
> using the same band for W-CDMA as they're using for TDMA is desirable
> (something the
> cdma folks have done from day one.) Long term W-CDMA will be gone.
> So, we're really talking about all carriers moving to WiMax, not just
> some.

And as usual, everyone in this thread is talking out of their rear-ends,
because we simply don't know.

Coming up the pike are WiMax, MediaFLO, and EVDO Revisions B and C (of
which C is supposed to meet or exceed proposed WiMax speeds). Sprint
has committed to WiMax, and I wouldn't be surprised if they overlaid the
existing CDMA network to B and C in the future considering it would be
relatively easy to do.

But regardless, this is all vaporware at present, and a long way off.
Remember, everyone said we'd be zooming along at 3G speeds as early as
1999. They also said that desktop PCs would be long obsolete.

7 years later, PCs are more prevalent than ever, and we're barely
beginning to realize 3G's potential. Hell, most areas STILL have only
EDGE and 1xRTT coverage, and we still have yet to fully blanket all of
the old AMPS coverage footprint with 2G or greater coverage. So I am not
at all convinced that Wimax is happening as soon as people think. WiMax
or its equivalent will happen, but it will take a long while to hit the
market.

The reality is that as much as publications like WirelessWeek, and
wireless industry analysts love to babble on incessantly about the
upcoming technologies, there are massive deployment and capital issues
that must be addressed first. And even then it takes a while for the
price to come down, so that people other than bleeding edge early
adopters with lots of money to burn can actually take advantage of the
new technologies. Even now, EVDO data tethering is a toy that is played
with only by business people who can expense the high cost, and geeks
who have learned how to hack their phones to allow the service
illegitimately.


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On 9 Dec 2006 10:18:46 -0800, "carcarx" <[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>John Navas wrote:
>
>> CDMA2000 is actually on the decline, with Nokia having abandoned it,
>
>Here're two of Nokia's new phones for VerizonWireless (cdma2000 EV-DO)
>
>http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6315i/0,7747,,00.html
>http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6305i/0,7747,,00.html
>
>There are more cdma2000 phone on the Nokia USA web site.
>Look for model numbers ending in "i".
>So, obviously, Nokia hasn't abandoned cdma2000.

<http://www.mobiledia.com/news/47935.html>

Nokia and Sanyo announced today that they will not be forming the new
CDMA device company preliminarily announced in February.

The Finnish company said on it would pull out of CDMA phone
manufacturing, which it sees as a shrinking market in the longer
term. Recent developments may indicate that the CDMA emerging markets
business is looking more challenging.

<http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/081106-nokia-to-lay-off-us.html>

Nokia will cut a few hundred jobs as it shuts down its CDMA handset
development.

The company has been developing CDMA (Code-Division Multiple Access)
products at a facility in San Diego but is now turning to ODMs
(original device manufacturers) for all its CDMA phones. It expects
to eliminate about 600 jobs in the process, cutting a work force of
about 1,150 to roughly 550, said spokesman Keith Nowak. In the
future, the San Diego unit will work with the ODMs and also help to
develop Nokia GSM (Global System for Mobile Communications) and UMTS
(Universal Mobile Telecommunications System) products.

Apology accepted.

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John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:04:24 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
<[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>> Both T-Mobile and Cingular will unlock phones on request by customers in
>> good standing.
>
>Is this done while-you-wait at a company store, or does the phone need to be
>sent in?

The unlock code is given to you.

--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

It is done through e-mail initiated by a phone call to customer service. I
did this recently for both my Cingular and T-Mobile phones. Cingular
responded with the code in 4 days, T-Mobile responded in about 20 hours.

On par with Cingular service, they provided instructions that didn't work
properly. I had to call them a couple of times before I reached someone
that stumbled upon the proper procedure to unlock my Siemens phone.

Walt Kienzle

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:04:24 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
> <[email protected]> wrote in
> <[email protected]>:
>
>>> Both T-Mobile and Cingular will unlock phones on request by customers in
>>> good standing.
>>
>>Is this done while-you-wait at a company store, or does the phone need to
>>be
>>sent in?

Piss off John. Absolutely no apology offered - or is needed.

Nokia chose to go it's own way and (try to) develop it's own CDMA chips.
And did a fairly ****ty job of it - thus it's just cutting it's losses now because
they did a such a completely lousy job at CDMA on their own.

Certainly, you can spin this, twist reality and believe what you want. Using this
to further push your absolutely bogus argument (CDMA is in decline) is however
completely false and frankly asinine. And again shows how delusional you are.

And, it certainly doesn't change the actual TRUTH.

Which is that CDMA is actually growing, not declining, as you always falsely
contend.


"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> On 9 Dec 2006 10:18:46 -0800, "carcarx" <[email protected]> wrote in
> <[email protected]>:
>
>>John Navas wrote:
>>
>>> CDMA2000 is actually on the decline, with Nokia having abandoned it,
>>
>>Here're two of Nokia's new phones for VerizonWireless (cdma2000 EV-DO)
>>
>>http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6315i/0,7747,,00.html
>>http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6305i/0,7747,,00.html
>>
>>There are more cdma2000 phone on the Nokia USA web site.
>>Look for model numbers ending in "i".
>>So, obviously, Nokia hasn't abandoned cdma2000.
>
> <http://www.mobiledia.com/news/47935.html>
>
> Nokia and Sanyo announced today that they will not be forming the new
> CDMA device company preliminarily announced in February.
>
> The Finnish company said on it would pull out of CDMA phone
> manufacturing, which it sees as a shrinking market in the longer
> term. Recent developments may indicate that the CDMA emerging markets
> business is looking more challenging.
>
> <http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/081106-nokia-to-lay-off-us.html>
>
> Nokia will cut a few hundred jobs as it shuts down its CDMA handset
> development.
>
> The company has been developing CDMA (Code-Division Multiple Access)
> products at a facility in San Diego but is now turning to ODMs
> (original device manufacturers) for all its CDMA phones. It expects
> to eliminate about 600 jobs in the process, cutting a work force of
> about 1,150 to roughly 550, said spokesman Keith Nowak. In the
> future, the San Diego unit will work with the ODMs and also help to
> develop Nokia GSM (Global System for Mobile Communications) and UMTS
> (Universal Mobile Telecommunications System) products.
>
> Apology accepted.
>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
> John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

On Dec 22, 7:46 pm, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 9 Dec 2006 10:18:46 -0800, "carcarx" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> Nokia and Sanyo announced today that they will not be forming the new
> CDMA device company preliminarily announced in February.
>
> The Finnish company said on it would pull out of CDMA phone
> manufacturing, which it sees as a shrinking market in the longer
> term. Recent developments may indicate that the CDMA emerging markets
> business is looking more challenging.
>
> <http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/081106-nokia-to-lay-off-us.html>
>
> Nokia will cut a few hundred jobs as it shuts down its CDMA handset
> development.

Old news.

As someone else pointed out, there ceasing of production of their own,
has more to do with
breakdown of negotiations with Qualcomm. An eventual diminution of cdma
handset demand?
Very vague.

However, Nokia branded cdma phones are still being marketed and
developed.

No apology was ever given, nor still intended.

Be more careful when quoting, Walt -- you put me in your header, but
deleted my remarks, making it look like I posted something I didn't
write. To respond to Make, follow-up to Mike's posting, not my
response. Also, don't switch posting styles (top vs bottom) in
mid-thread -- it's confusing. Thanks.

On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 02:52:34 GMT, "Walt Kienzle" <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>It is done through e-mail initiated by a phone call to customer service. I
>did this recently for both my Cingular and T-Mobile phones. Cingular
>responded with the code in 4 days, T-Mobile responded in about 20 hours.
>
>On par with Cingular service, they provided instructions that didn't work
>properly. I had to call them a couple of times before I reached someone
>that stumbled upon the proper procedure to unlock my Siemens phone.
>
>Walt Kienzle
>
>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:04:24 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
>> <[email protected]> wrote in
>> <[email protected]>:
>>
>>>> Both T-Mobile and Cingular will unlock phones on request by customers in
>>>> good standing.
>>>
>>>Is this done while-you-wait at a company store, or does the phone need to
>>>be
>>>sent in?
>

--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

John Navas <[email protected]> wrote message
news:[email protected]:

> Also, don't switch posting
> styles (top vs bottom) in mid-thread -- it's confusing.
> Thanks.

And a bit of 'snipping' helps clear up and straighten out replies.

Ness net wrote:

> Which is that CDMA is actually growing, not declining, as you always falsely
> contend.

It's not just the growth, it's the installed base as well. CDMA is the
leading technology in the U.S., with well over half the existing users.
Nokia is writing off a total available market of more than 100 million
users in the U.S. alone.

SMS wrote:
> Ness net wrote:
>
>> Which is that CDMA is actually growing, not declining, as you always
>> falsely
>> contend.
>
> It's not just the growth, it's the installed base as well. CDMA is the
> leading technology in the U.S., with well over half the existing users.
> Nokia is writing off a total available market of more than 100 million
> users in the U.S. alone.

For sure, Nokia just couldn't make a good CDMA handset and apparently
decided to give up trying.

In article <[email protected]>, George
<[email protected]> wrote:

> For sure, Nokia just couldn't make a good CDMA handset and apparently
> decided to give up trying.

Didn't they go with their own CDMA chip set rather than Qualcomms and
that was their problem? Nokia's stated reasons for not making CDMA
phones sounds like sour grapes.

--
Charles

Charles wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, George
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> For sure, Nokia just couldn't make a good CDMA handset and apparently
>> decided to give up trying.
>
> Didn't they go with their own CDMA chip set rather than Qualcomms and
> that was their problem? Nokia's stated reasons for not making CDMA
> phones sounds like sour grapes.
>

Yes, my buddy used to do acceptance testing and they just couldn't
produce CDMA handsets that could get past acceptance testing.

Bingo!!!

They are still wrangling over it legally. Nokia, refusing to play nice, tried to
go it alone - and failed miserably. Now they are simply doing a cut and run,
so to speak.

Navas then falsely interpreting this as a decline in CDMA is complete horse
crap.

"Apology accepted"??? What an ass...!



"Charles" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:241220061055167563%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, George
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> For sure, Nokia just couldn't make a good CDMA handset and apparently
>> decided to give up trying.
>
> Didn't they go with their own CDMA chip set rather than Qualcomms and
> that was their problem? Nokia's stated reasons for not making CDMA
> phones sounds like sour grapes.
>
> --
> Charles