Ouch! Time Warner Denounces other Cell Phones!

11-16-2007, 02:58 PM

Major news which could very well spell the end of Noika, Motorola,
Samsung, LG and on and on... especially within the very non-competitive
Cell Market. It looks like the iPhone has scored a massive hit, not only
in record sales but by the people that own the content.

"Nobody wants to use an "non-ipod" in their Phones, we all know that,
but now the leading content company says the same thing is going to
happen to all other MEDIA types."

Wow!

From Time Warner's Chief:

"You need to look no further than Apple's iPhone to see how fast,
brilliantly written software presented on a beautifully designed device
with a spectacular user interface will throw all the accepted notions
about pricing, billing platforms and brand loyalty right out the window.

And let me remind you, the genesis of the iPhone is the iPod and iTunes
- a music device and music service that consumers love."

Quote from --- CEO Edgar Bronfman, Head of Warner Music

Wow What a SMART GUY!

The boss of Warner Music has made a rare public confession that the
music industry has to take some of the blame for the rise of p2p file
sharing.

Speaking at the GSMA Mobile Asia Congress in Macau, Edgar Bronfman told
mobile operators that they must not make the same mistake that the music
industry made.

"We used to fool ourselves,' he said. "We used to think our content was
perfect just exactly as it was. We expected our business would remain
blissfully unaffected even as the world of interactivity, constant
connection and file sharing was exploding. And of course we were wrong.
How were we wrong? By standing still or moving at a glacial pace, we
inadvertently went to war with consumers by denying them what they
wanted and could otherwise find and as a result of course, consumers
won."

Mobile operators risk the same, he said. Fewer than 10% of mobile owners
buy music on their handset, the vast majority of which is ringtones.

"The sad truth is that most of what consumers are being offered today on
the mobile platform is boring, banal and basic," he said. "People want a
more interesting form of mobile music content. They want it to be easy
to buy with a single click - yes, a single click, not a dozen. And they
want access to it, quickly and easily, wherever they are. 24/7. Any
player in the mobile value chain who thinks they can provide less than a
great experience for consumers and remain competitive is fooling
themselves."

Bronfman suggested that mobile companies have much to learn from Apple,
despite being critical of and iTunes in the past.

"For years now, Warner Music has been offering a choice to consumers at
Apple's iTunes store the option to purchase something more than just
single tracks, which constitute the mainstay of that store's sales," he
explained. "By packaging a full album into a bundle of music with
ringtones, videos and other combinations and variation we found products
that consumers demonstrably valued and were willing to purchase at
premium prices. And guess what? We've sold tons of them. And with
Apple's co-operation to make discovering, accessing and purchasing these
products even more seamless and intuitive, we'll be offering many, many
more of these products going forward."

And the iPhone and iPod touch shows that approach can be made to work on
mobile platforms, he said.

----

So to sum up, you have iTunes or no revenue. Everyone in the industry
knows that, but it's good to see the Media companies finally waking up
to the new reality.

iPods are WONDERFUL, there is exactly zero chance at this point in time
that anyone will unseat it for the next 30-40 years. It's set in stone.

http://snipurl.com/1trbv

11-16-2007, 04:08 PM

Bill Gates wrote:
> Major news which could very well spell the end of Noika, Motorola,
> Samsung, LG and on and on... especially within the very non-competitive
> Cell Market. It looks like the iPhone has scored a massive hit, not only
> in record sales but by the people that own the content.
>
> "Nobody wants to use an "non-ipod" in their Phones, we all know that,
> but now the leading content company says the same thing is going to
> happen to all other MEDIA types."
>
> Wow!
>
> From Time Warner's Chief:
>
> "You need to look no further than Apple's iPhone to see how fast,
> brilliantly written software presented on a beautifully designed device
> with a spectacular user interface will throw all the accepted notions
> about pricing, billing platforms and brand loyalty right out the window.
>
> And let me remind you, the genesis of the iPhone is the iPod and iTunes
> - a music device and music service that consumers love."
>
> Quote from --- CEO Edgar Bronfman, Head of Warner Music
>
> Wow What a SMART GUY!
>
> The boss of Warner Music has made a rare public confession that the
> music industry has to take some of the blame for the rise of p2p file
> sharing.
>
> Speaking at the GSMA Mobile Asia Congress in Macau, Edgar Bronfman told
> mobile operators that they must not make the same mistake that the music
> industry made.
>
> "We used to fool ourselves,' he said. "We used to think our content was
> perfect just exactly as it was. We expected our business would remain
> blissfully unaffected even as the world of interactivity, constant
> connection and file sharing was exploding. And of course we were wrong.
> How were we wrong? By standing still or moving at a glacial pace, we
> inadvertently went to war with consumers by denying them what they
> wanted and could otherwise find and as a result of course, consumers
> won."
>
> Mobile operators risk the same, he said. Fewer than 10% of mobile owners
> buy music on their handset, the vast majority of which is ringtones.
>
> "The sad truth is that most of what consumers are being offered today on
> the mobile platform is boring, banal and basic," he said. "People want a
> more interesting form of mobile music content. They want it to be easy
> to buy with a single click - yes, a single click, not a dozen. And they
> want access to it, quickly and easily, wherever they are. 24/7. Any
> player in the mobile value chain who thinks they can provide less than a
> great experience for consumers and remain competitive is fooling
> themselves."
>
> Bronfman suggested that mobile companies have much to learn from Apple,
> despite being critical of and iTunes in the past.
>
> "For years now, Warner Music has been offering a choice to consumers at
> Apple's iTunes store the option to purchase something more than just
> single tracks, which constitute the mainstay of that store's sales," he
> explained. "By packaging a full album into a bundle of music with
> ringtones, videos and other combinations and variation we found products
> that consumers demonstrably valued and were willing to purchase at
> premium prices. And guess what? We've sold tons of them. And with
> Apple's co-operation to make discovering, accessing and purchasing these
> products even more seamless and intuitive, we'll be offering many, many
> more of these products going forward."
>
> And the iPhone and iPod touch shows that approach can be made to work on
> mobile platforms, he said.
>
> ----
>
> So to sum up, you have iTunes or no revenue. Everyone in the industry
> knows that, but it's good to see the Media companies finally waking up
> to the new reality.
>
> iPods are WONDERFUL, there is exactly zero chance at this point in time
> that anyone will unseat it for the next 30-40 years. It's set in stone.
>
> http://snipurl.com/1trbv
Please keep the iphail/ipood discussion out of the Verizon, Nokia, and
Sprint groups, as we don't want anything to do with that crap.

11-16-2007, 04:22 PM

"Bill Gates" <im@IEdiedtoday.com> wrote in message
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Anything that is crap is snipped......

Oops - that leaves nothing left, sorry.

11-16-2007, 05:04 PM

Bill Gates wrote:
> "Nobody wants to use an "non-ipod" in their Phones, we all know that,
> but now the leading content company says the same thing is going to
> happen to all other MEDIA types."
>
> Wow!

I agree...WOW...how could anyone make such an all encompassing
outlandish statement.

> So to sum up, you have iTunes or no revenue.

So you're saying that if you don't have pay into iTunes, you won't get
your music. Golly, and here I always thought MS was the most closed company.

11-16-2007, 05:41 PM

In news:J7GdnRc4k6eDu6PanZ2dnUVZ_uqvnZ2d@giganews.com ,
Ness Net <richard@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com>spewed forth:
> "Bill Gates" <im@IEdiedtoday.com> wrote in message
> news:im-FEBD97.14581016112007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net...
>
> Anything that is crap is snipped......
>
> Oops - that leaves nothing left, sorry.

please report him then

news@qwest.net

11-16-2007, 09:34 PM

DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote:

> > So to sum up, you have iTunes or no revenue.
>
> So you're saying that if you don't have pay into iTunes, you won't get
> your music. Golly, and here I always thought MS was the most closed company.

iTunes is free, much of the content on the iTunes Store is 100% free.

Apple uses open standards on iTunes, MP3, AIFF, WAV, MPEG-4, AACit also
has the largest non-protected music selection on earth.

SWEET ----->

http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/

11-16-2007, 09:59 PM

In news:im-12E4BD.21342216112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net,
Bill Gates <im@IEdiedtoday.com> typed:
> DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote:
>
>>> So to sum up, you have iTunes or no revenue.
>>
>> So you're saying that if you don't have pay into iTunes, you won't get
>> your music. Golly, and here I always thought MS was the most closed
>> company.
>
> iTunes is free, much of the content on the iTunes Store is 100% free.
>
> Apple uses open standards on iTunes, MP3, AIFF, WAV, MPEG-4, AACit also
> has the largest non-protected music selection on earth.
>
> SWEET ----->
>
> http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/

Music More than 6 million songs. 99¢ each.
Movies New and classic films from $9.99.
Music Videos More than 11,000, $1.99 each.
TV Shows 600 shows at $1.99 an episode.
iPod Games $4.99 each. Countless hours of fun.

11-16-2007, 10:54 PM

Bill Gates wrote:
> DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote:
>
>>> So to sum up, you have iTunes or no revenue.
>> So you're saying that if you don't have pay into iTunes, you won't get
>> your music. Golly, and here I always thought MS was the most closed company.
>
> iTunes is free, much of the content on the iTunes Store is 100% free.
>
> Apple uses open standards on iTunes, MP3, AIFF, WAV, MPEG-4, AACit also
> has the largest non-protected music selection on earth.
>
> SWEET ----->
>
> http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/
iTunes itself is free, songs cost money, iTunes music has DRM protection
on it.

11-17-2007, 01:44 AM

Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote:

> > Apple uses open standards on iTunes, MP3, AIFF, WAV, MPEG-4, AACit also
> > has the largest non-protected music selection on earth.
> >
> > SWEET ----->
> >
> > http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/
> iTunes itself is free, songs cost money, iTunes music has DRM protection
> on it.

there are a lot of free songs on there, 10,000's of free podcasts,
videos, audiobooks, college courses, sports, news, radio, etc....

only some iTunes songs have DRM required by the record companies, but
plenty of them no longer do.

itunes has over 6,000,000 songs, the largest online library in the world.

2,000,000 of them are free of DRM and of higher quality than other music
stores and just .99 cents.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/10/17itunes.html

-

11-17-2007, 05:19 AM

IMHO IIRC wrote:

>
> Music More than 6 million songs. 99¢ each.
> Movies New and classic films from $9.99.
> Music Videos More than 11,000, $1.99 each.
> TV Shows 600 shows at $1.99 an episode.
> iPod Games $4.99 each. Countless hours of fun.
>
>

KoolAid All the flavors. Free, every day.

11-17-2007, 05:47 AM

IMHO IIRC wrote:

>
> Music More than 6 million songs. 99¢ each.
> Movies New and classic films from $9.99.
> Music Videos More than 11,000, $1.99 each.
> TV Shows 600 shows at $1.99 an episode.
> iPod Games $4.99 each. Countless hours of fun.
>
>

700 MHz KoolAid. All the flavors. Free, every day.

11-17-2007, 07:50 AM

Bill Gates <im@IEdiedtoday.com> wrote in
news:im-9C8513.01441317112007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net:

> Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote:
>
>> > Apple uses open standards on iTunes, MP3, AIFF, WAV, MPEG-4, AACit
>> > also has the largest non-protected music selection on earth.
>> >
>> > SWEET ----->
>> >
>> > http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/
>> iTunes itself is free, songs cost money, iTunes music has DRM
>> protection on it.
>
> there are a lot of free songs on there, 10,000's of free podcasts,
> videos, audiobooks, college courses, sports, news, radio, etc....

Wow- sounds like free radio to me. But let me guess- SI invented that as
well?

>
> only some iTunes songs have DRM required by the record companies, but
> plenty of them no longer do.
>
> itunes has over 6,000,000 songs, the largest online library in the
> world.

iTunes has a relevent library of about 100,000 songs, in line with many
other online providers.

>
> 2,000,000 of them are free of DRM and of higher quality than other
> music stores and just .99 cents.

Higher quality how?

11-17-2007, 09:07 AM

"IMHO IIRC" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.NOSPAM> wrote in news:Nzu%i.840$mY1.562
@newsfe24.lga:

> Music More than 6 million songs. 99½ each.
> Movies New and classic films from $9.99.
> Music Videos More than 11,000, $1.99 each.
> TV Shows 600 shows at $1.99 an episode.
> iPod Games $4.99 each. Countless hours of fun.
Music - billions of songs. FREE - alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.(genre)
Movies - thousands. FREE - alt.binaries.movies.divx
Music Videos - FREE alt.binaries.multimedia.(many places)
TV Shows - FREE alt.binaries.hdtv or alt.binaries.tv.(genre)
iPod Games - They must be there, somewhere...(c;

Don't bull**** me and tell me you don't download. If you don't
download, it's because you don't know how...(c;

Larry
--
Xterm IS the ultimate video game...(c;

11-17-2007, 09:09 AM

Bill Gates <im@IEdiedtoday.com> wrote in news:im-
9C8513.01441317112007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net:

> itunes has over 6,000,000 songs, the largest online library in
the world.
>

Not true. USENET has the largest online library in the world.

Larry
--
Xterm IS the ultimate video game...(c;

11-17-2007, 09:19 AM

Bill Gates wrote:
> Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote:
>
>>> Apple uses open standards on iTunes, MP3, AIFF, WAV, MPEG-4, AACit also
>>> has the largest non-protected music selection on earth.
>>>
>>> SWEET ----->
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/
>> iTunes itself is free, songs cost money, iTunes music has DRM protection
>> on it.
>
> there are a lot of free songs on there, 10,000's of free podcasts,
> videos, audiobooks, college courses, sports, news, radio, etc....
>
> only some iTunes songs have DRM required by the record companies, but
> plenty of them no longer do.
>
> itunes has over 6,000,000 songs, the largest online library in the world.
>
> 2,000,000 of them are free of DRM and of higher quality than other music
> stores and just .99 cents.
>
> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/10/17itunes.html
>
> -
but why pay .99 cents why you can get them for FREE?