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- 07-16-2008, 05:28 PM #1David G. ImberGuest
I've been searching for a smart phone that will let my wife
and I read and write in Japanese and not have to switch to AT&T (ge:
iPhone).
It's a long shot, but the HTC Mogul with a third party app
(http://www.mobem.com/products/CE-Star.php) might do the trick.
I know there's been some discussion of the Mogul here before,
but as I wasn't in the market, I ignored it.
Would anyone care to share an overall appraisal?
Thanks very much, DGI
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- 07-16-2008, 10:38 PM #2Todd AllcockGuest
Re: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul
"David G. Imber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I've been searching for a smart phone that will let my wife
> and I read and write in Japanese and not have to switch to AT&T (ge:
> iPhone).
>
> It's a long shot, but the HTC Mogul with a third party app
> (http://www.mobem.com/products/CE-Star.php) might do the trick.
Interesting- the addition of Japanese support seems recent- IIRC, earlier
versions were Chinese only.
The program has been around for years, and generally gets good feedback on
the WinMo newsgroups, but again, that was for it's Chinese support, and
perhaps because it's the only game in town. Unlike some competiting
programs it works in any program on the device- not just certain apps (like,
for example, Word Mobile.)
> I know there's been some discussion of the Mogul here before,
> but as I wasn't in the market, I ignored it.
>
> Would anyone care to share an overall appraisal?
>
> Thanks very much, DGI
I've never used the Mogul (I've never used Sprint) but the relatively low
memory (64MB) would scare me off. Windows Mobile 5 and 6 have some memory
"leak" problems, (that are supposedly corrected in the upcoming WM 6.1) in
which opening and closing programs repetedly doesn't correctly return memory
to the system, causing the device to slowly run out of memory with use until
you need to reboot. Larger memoried (128MB) devices don't "fix" the leak
problem, but have enough memory to spare that it takes a long time to stall
the device. I rebooted my 64MB at least once a day- often twice with high
usage. My AT&T Tilt can run for days on end without a reset.
If possible, I'd wait for a newer (128MB or higher) device, or at least an
official WM 6.1 upgrade to see if the problem is fixed.
- 07-19-2008, 04:57 PM #3John YossarianGuest
Re: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:28:49 -0400, David G. Imber
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I've been searching for a smart phone that will let my wife
>and I read and write in Japanese and not have to switch to AT&T (ge:
>iPhone).
>
> It's a long shot, but the HTC Mogul with a third party app
>(http://www.mobem.com/products/CE-Star.php) might do the trick.
>
> I know there's been some discussion of the Mogul here before,
>but as I wasn't in the market, I ignored it.
>
> Would anyone care to share an overall appraisal?
>
> Thanks very much, DGI
I like mine a lot, but I did find that I needed some third party
applications to really make it complete. The memory leak that Todd
Allcock references in this thread is an issue, but third part software
will reclaim this quickly (I'm using SKTools). The latest ROM to
include a task manager that actually lets you close a program by
hitting X (instead of the old action of minimizing it) helps as well.
I've only found one application that this device doesn't have the
memory to support, Zumobi. Other than that, my only complaint is that
the stylus became loose after a couple of months...a problem that,
after doing a web search, I have discovered is not unusual with many
HTC devices.
Performance and data speeds are the best of any device I currently or
have previously owned, but I am sure that the next year or two will
render this (and many other devices) obsolete. Such is the nature of
this industry.
- 07-20-2008, 01:38 PM #4Roger 2008Guest
Re: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul
"John Yossarian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Other than that, my only complaint is that
> the stylus became loose after a couple of months...a problem that,
> after doing a web search, I have discovered is not unusual with many
> HTC devices.
Yes, my stylus became loose too and then I ended up breaking that little
part off that you use to remove it from the Mogul. I went to a local Sprint
store and showed them what happened and they were nice enough to give me a
new stylus.
I'm actually on my second Mogul since most all the buttons, except the power
button quit working on my first Mogul and the Sprint Store replaced that
Mogul without any questions.
That Memory leak problem mentioned by both the other posters on this thread
is bad and it is an even bigger issue when you use a Bluetooth GPS.
Sure the Mogul has a built-in GPS but my Garmin software does not work with
the internal GPS. I use a Garmin Mobile 10 with Garmin Mobile XT software
and once it drops the Bluetooth connection and normally out of the blue the
only way to get the bluetooth connection back is to restart the Mogul.
I won't even run Microsoft Live Search anymore since I always have to
restart the Mogul after using it. It wasn't as bad with their earlier
version but if you try to run that version it will constantly notify you
about an upgrade.
I'll tell you what I like about the Mogul. The Bluetooth PAN does pretty
good going to a laptop even though it will drop connection at least once in
one hour.
I have a program where I can use the Mogul for Bluetooth Dialup access and
that really comes in handy when you want internet access on an iPAQ. Once
you have installed that program on the Mogul all you have to do to get a
connection between an iPAQ 210 and the Mogul is start Internet Explorer on
the iPAQ. The iPAQ will do the rest. With BT PAN you pretty much have to
make your connection by hand all the time and once that connection breaks
you have to press the "connect" button on the Mogul to restart that
connection.
I have a program called WMWiFiRouter that will let me transfer the internet
from my Mogul to another device and it is pretty cool but it doesn't always
work between two cell phones and the BT DUN always works between two
cellphones..
In summation. I like the Mogul even with all it's quirks but if your in no
hurry I'd wait for a device with Windows 6.1 and see how those reviews go.
- 07-21-2008, 04:34 PM #5Kim GrovesGuest
Re: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul
I have had a mogul for about a year. I can't find another phone I would
recommend over it, partially because I want a touch screen and WM6 due to
the types of programs I am presently using. I did have to replace the phone
twice. Once was because it wouldn't sync, and I could find no reason for
this problem. The phone was replaced for free. The second replacement was
because the phone would not charge... I had a bent pin in the mini-usb slot,
and even straightening out the pin didn't fix the issue. I then bought the
insurance on the phone, and subsequently, I have had no problem at all with
my phone for perhaps 8 months.
I still like it. I couldn't recommend any other phone over it, but I don't
switch phones every month. BT connectivity in my car "sucks" (sounds like I
am in a well), which I have read relates to a "bluetooth stack" issue that
is experenced by Windoze Mobile phones and had not been corrected by HTC.
Perhaps the new 6.1 rom will help.
"John Yossarian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:28:49 -0400, David G. Imber
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I've been searching for a smart phone that will let my wife
>>and I read and write in Japanese and not have to switch to AT&T (ge:
>>iPhone).
>>
>> It's a long shot, but the HTC Mogul with a third party app
>>(http://www.mobem.com/products/CE-Star.php) might do the trick.
>>
>> I know there's been some discussion of the Mogul here before,
>>but as I wasn't in the market, I ignored it.
>>
>> Would anyone care to share an overall appraisal?
>>
>> Thanks very much, DGI
>
> I like mine a lot, but I did find that I needed some third party
> applications to really make it complete. The memory leak that Todd
> Allcock references in this thread is an issue, but third part software
> will reclaim this quickly (I'm using SKTools). The latest ROM to
> include a task manager that actually lets you close a program by
> hitting X (instead of the old action of minimizing it) helps as well.
>
> I've only found one application that this device doesn't have the
> memory to support, Zumobi. Other than that, my only complaint is that
> the stylus became loose after a couple of months...a problem that,
> after doing a web search, I have discovered is not unusual with many
> HTC devices.
>
> Performance and data speeds are the best of any device I currently or
> have previously owned, but I am sure that the next year or two will
> render this (and many other devices) obsolete. Such is the nature of
> this industry.
- 07-29-2008, 09:03 AM #6bob smithGuest
Re: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul
I have had the mogul for about 8 months. I would say that definitely
the strength of the mogul is the keyboard and the battery size. The
weakness as mentioned before is the lack of RAM.
This phone/PDA is very good if you run a custom ROM. I have been using
the No2CHem 2.2 5770 Preview 8 and it has been pretty good. Windows
Mobile 6.1 has been made available through custom ROMS for quite some
time now and the evolution of such has made the phone very usable. I
use Memmaid to close apps and clear RAM so that the phone is very stable.
check out www.ppcgeeks.com for more info
David G. Imber wrote:
> I've been searching for a smart phone that will let my wife
> and I read and write in Japanese and not have to switch to AT&T (ge:
> iPhone).
>
> It's a long shot, but the HTC Mogul with a third party app
> (http://www.mobem.com/products/CE-Star.php) might do the trick.
>
> I know there's been some discussion of the Mogul here before,
> but as I wasn't in the market, I ignored it.
>
> Would anyone care to share an overall appraisal?
>
> Thanks very much, DGI
>
- 11-09-2008, 09:45 AM #7Roger 2008Guest
Tilt (was: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul)
"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> My AT&T Tilt can run for days on end without a reset.
Still on the old subject. Yesterday I found out my Mogul works with a 16Gig
micro SDHC card.
Now, about the "Tilt." I found out when you set a "Tilt" down on a table it
is a tilted "Tilt" since it doesn't sit real flat because of the protrusions
on the bottom.
- 11-09-2008, 01:49 PM #8Todd AllcockGuest
Re: Tilt (was: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul)
At 09 Nov 2008 09:45:22 -0600 Roger 2008 wrote:
> Now, about the "Tilt." I found out when you set a "Tilt" down on a table
it
> is a tilted "Tilt" since it doesn't sit real flat because of the
protrusions
> on the bottom.
True. It sits steady, however,(not rocking like a table with one short
leg!) so it doesn't seem to be a problem. In addition, the rubber
protrusion it rests on keeps it from slipping, and raises the back enough
for the rear-mounted speaker to be heard.
- 11-09-2008, 05:33 PM #9Roger 2008Guest
Re: Tilt (was: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul)
"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> At 09 Nov 2008 09:45:22 -0600 Roger 2008 wrote:
>
> > Now, about the "Tilt." I found out when you set a "Tilt" down on a
table
> it
> > is a tilted "Tilt" since it doesn't sit real flat because of the
> protrusions
> > on the bottom.
>
> True. It sits steady, however,(not rocking like a table with one short
> leg!) so it doesn't seem to be a problem. In addition, the rubber
> protrusion it rests on keeps it from slipping, and raises the back enough
> for the rear-mounted speaker to be heard.
Out of curiosity have you ever connected to your "Tilt" with Bluetooth Dial
Up Networking and got to the internet?
TIA
- 11-09-2008, 09:08 PM #10Todd AllcockGuest
Re: Tilt (was: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul)
At 09 Nov 2008 17:33:40 -0600 Roger 2008 wrote:
> Out of curiosity have you ever connected to your "Tilt" with Bluetooth
Dial
> Up Networking and got to the internet?
>
Yeah, but I only use it as a last resort- my Tilt is unlocked and I use on
T-Mo's painfully slow EDGE network. For whatever reason, the folks at AT&T
include two tethering programs, Internet Sharing and Wireless Modem.
- 11-11-2008, 07:11 AM #11Roger 2008Guest
Re: Tilt (was: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul)
"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> At 09 Nov 2008 17:33:40 -0600 Roger 2008 wrote:
>
> > Out of curiosity have you ever connected to your "Tilt" with Bluetooth
> Dial
> > Up Networking and got to the internet?
> >
>
> Yeah, but I only use it as a last resort- my Tilt is unlocked and I use on
> T-Mo's painfully slow EDGE network. For whatever reason, the folks at
AT&T
> include two tethering programs, Internet Sharing and Wireless Modem.
I've been messing with an "unlocked" Tilt myself and and the "EDGE" network
is "painfully slow" but where I live the EDGE network is a lot faster than
it used to be. The "EDGE" network isn't as fast as Sprint's EVDO but it is
fast enough for a Slingbox.
I've messed with a HTC P4300 and the Bluetooth DUN works just great with a
HTC P4300 but on an "unlocked" Tilt I always get the error "no modem found
on that number."
Here, let me give you an example of what you can do with BT DUN. You can
turn your phone on and put it in your pocket. You can turn your laptop on
and click on the Internet icon and in less than 12 seconds it will
automatically dial into the BT DUN on a phone and you will have internet.
Once BT DUN is setup it works as easy as using a dialup modem but it is a
lot faster and you don't need any wires.
That is why I was asking about BT DUN and thanks for the info.
- 11-11-2008, 04:40 PM #12Todd AllcockGuest
Re: Tilt (was: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul)
At 11 Nov 2008 07:11:49 -0600 Roger 2008 wrote:
> I've messed with a HTC P4300 and the Bluetooth DUN works just great with a
> HTC P4300 but on an "unlocked" Tilt I always get the error "no modem found
> on that number."
>
> Here, let me give you an example of what you can do with BT DUN. You can
> turn your phone on and put it in your pocket. You can turn your laptop on
> and click on the Internet icon and in less than 12 seconds it will
> automatically dial into the BT DUN on a phone and you will have internet.
> Once BT DUN is setup it works as easy as using a dialup modem but it is a
> lot faster and you don't need any wires.
>
> That is why I was asking about BT DUN and thanks for the info.
I probably should qualify that I glossed over the "DUN" part of your post.
What I actually use is BT PAN (Personal Area Networking) rather than DUN.
With PAN, the Tilt acts more like an AP than a modem.
- 11-13-2008, 08:30 AM #13Roger 2008Guest
Re: Tilt (was: Anyone wish to give their gen'l op of the Mogul)
"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I probably should qualify that I glossed over the "DUN" part of your post.
> What I actually use is BT PAN (Personal Area Networking) rather than DUN.
> With PAN, the Tilt acts more like an AP than a modem.
Thanks for the input but the reason I asked about BT DUN instead of BT PAN
is because I've used both and I like BT DUN better for what I do with it.
BT PAN requires that you set it up each and every time you use it where BT
DUN only has to be setup once. And BT DUN works with more devices than BT
PAN.
The only advanage to BT PAN that I've seen is you can have the Internet on
your Phone and the device connected to it at the same time but that is not
always true since that didn't work when my Sprint Mogul had WM6.1. Notice I
stated "had" because I went back to WM6.0 on my Sprint Mogul so I could put
the sharing back in "Internet Sharing."
Thanks again for the input and I'll keep looking for someone that has used
BT DUN on a "Tilt."
- 11-13-2008, 11:52 AM #14Todd AllcockGuest
BT DUN on Tilt/TyTn II/Kaiser (was Re: Tilt)
I added this to microspft.public.pocketpc as well, since you've posted there
as well, and we might keep any discoveries in a single thread.
"Roger 2008" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> BT PAN requires that you set it up each and every time you use it where BT
> DUN only has to be setup once. And BT DUN works with more devices than BT
> PAN.
I'm not sure what you mean by "set it up." With either PAN on my Tilt, or
BT DUN on my old WM5 MDA/Wizard you had to fire up an app every time
(Internet Sharing for PAN, "Modem Link" for DUN on the Wizard, which was
fairly similar to the "Wireless Modem" app on the Tilt. So it was just as
akward to use BT DUN as BT PAN, but, as you say, DUN is compatible with more
devices.
> The only advanage to BT PAN that I've seen is you can have the Internet on
> your Phone and the device connected to it at the same time but that is not
> always true since that didn't work when my Sprint Mogul had WM6.1. Notice
> I
> stated "had" because I went back to WM6.0 on my Sprint Mogul so I could
> put
> the sharing back in "Internet Sharing."
Was that a bug, or something Sprint somehow disabled until you add the
appropriate feature ($$$)?
> Thanks again for the input and I'll keep looking for someone that has used
> BT DUN on a "Tilt."
Good luck! A Google search only turned up people having problems getting it
to work! I just spent the last half-hour trying it myself and getting
nowhere. I can establish a BT pairing to the Tilt, DUN is listed as an
available service, I select it, attempt to dial, but the Tilt just refuses
to dial any phone number! (I remembered to stop the current data connection
first- it's always connected due to my push email and the current connection
seems to annoy the Wireless Modem program. Hey, HTC, how about a dialog box
asking if you want to terminate the current data call?)
I tried the standard *99# GPRS connection number, then I tried a dial up ISP
(T-Mobile, my carrier, supports dialup CSD), and even my home telephone
number, just to see if it would ring! The Tilt just sits there. But PAN
works 100%, every time. My Google search showed that some seem to have got
DUN working on USB if they install the AT&T Connection Manager software to
load the USB drivers (but BT shouldn't need any drivers!) I stopped short
of trying that.
While I also prefer DUN, it simply isn't worth the headache! :-( I was even
able to connect my old Dell Axim X5 (Pocket PC 2003) to the Tilt via PAN,
but couldn't get it to connect via DUN!
Sorry, Roger, I'm done with this one! There are too many acceptable and
easier alternatives, like PAN or even WiFiRouter (turns your WinMo phone
into a WiFi AP using the cellular data connection as a source.) Good luck!
- 11-13-2008, 10:29 PM #15Roger 2008Guest
Re: BT DUN on Tilt/TyTn II/Kaiser (was Re: Tilt)
"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "set it up." With either PAN on my Tilt, or
> BT DUN on my old WM5 MDA/Wizard you had to fire up an app every time
I too have an "old WM5 Wizard" and I found out by accident I didn't have to
use "Modem Link" for BT DUN to work.
At the very most I had to make sure the internet was working on the "old WM5
Wizard" first but I found around that too. I found out if I automatically
checked my e-mail every minute or two on the Wizard it would start an
internet connection automatically shortly after I turned it on. That is
what I mean by I didn't have to "set it up each and every time" just turn it
on.
BTW thanks to a post from "Todd Wadd" on 3/22/2008 I can use my Sprint Mogul
as a BT DUN connection to the internet too.
> Was that a bug, or something Sprint somehow disabled until you add the
> appropriate feature ($$$)?
If you look at the "Internet Sharing" program on a Sprint Mogul all you can
choose with WM6.1 is "USB" or "Bluetooth PAN."
It seems the "Network Connection" is hardcoded to "Phone as Modem" and I
always had to set it to "Sprint PCS" if I wanted it to share the internet.
BTW after I noticed my Mogul with WM6.1 wouldn't share the internet I went
back to WM6.0 on it.
> I tried the standard *99# GPRS connection number, then I tried a dial up
ISP
> (T-Mobile, my carrier, supports dialup CSD), and even my home telephone
> number, just to see if it would ring! The Tilt just sits there. But PAN
> works 100%, every time. My Google search showed that some seem to have
got
> DUN working on USB if they install the AT&T Connection Manager software to
> load the USB drivers (but BT shouldn't need any drivers!) I stopped short
> of trying that.
Thank you kindly for your input and yes, I too have had trouble with the BT
DUN on a "Tilt" and BT PAN works 100% every time." I even tried PDANet on
the "Tilt" and didn't get anywhere.
> While I also prefer DUN, it simply isn't worth the headache! :-( I was
even
> able to connect my old Dell Axim X5 (Pocket PC 2003) to the Tilt via PAN,
> but couldn't get it to connect via DUN!
>
> Sorry, Roger, I'm done with this one! There are too many acceptable and
> easier alternatives, like PAN or even WiFiRouter (turns your WinMo phone
> into a WiFi AP using the cellular data connection as a source.) Good
luck!
You have done more than I asked for and thanks.
BTW I have used WMWiFiRouter on my Mogul but it generated a lot of heat even
with the screen turned off. Once I found out I could get my Mogul to work
with BT DUN I haven't used WMWiFiRouter much unless if I want to show it off
to someone.
Once again Thank you so much for all your input on the BT DUN on the "Tilt."
That was exactly what I wanted to know about.
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