Cell Site Affordability

"Justin Green" <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
>
> You really should read up on your chosen profession's technology. You
> should be schooling me, but you can't.

There's nothing to school, Justin. You reported something incorrectly:
that there's an inherent disadvantage. There isn't.

Each technology is different, and it's apples to oranges trying to
compare them that way. More penetration, but also more susceptibility
to EMI, and on and on and on.

You were the one trying to make a point, Justin. I was simply pointing
out it's not accurate. Not arguing the opposite.

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"O/Siris ." <robjvargas@sprîntpcs.côm> wrote in message
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> Actually, Larry, I didn't mean to imply that there's any inherent
> advantage.

You didn't?

>>Next time, know what you're talking about. There are many reasonsfor
using
>>1900 MHz. Even Nextel is fighting to get some spectrum up in that range.

"O/Siris ." <robjvargas@sprîntpcs.côm> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Justin Green" <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> >
> > You really should read up on your chosen profession's technology. You
> > should be schooling me, but you can't.
>
> There's nothing to school, Justin. You reported something incorrectly:
> that there's an inherent disadvantage. There isn't.
>
> Each technology is different, and it's apples to oranges trying to
> compare them that way. More penetration, but also more susceptibility
> to EMI, and on and on and on.
>
> You were the one trying to make a point, Justin. I was simply pointing
> out it's not accurate. Not arguing the opposite.

I'm not talking about the technologies, moron. The frequencies. God you're
a dumbass.

"O/Siris ." <robjvargas@sprîntpcs.côm> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Justin Green" <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> >
> > You really should read up on your chosen profession's technology. You
> > should be schooling me, but you can't.
>
> There's nothing to school, Justin. You reported something incorrectly:
> that there's an inherent disadvantage. There isn't.
>
> Each technology is different, and it's apples to oranges trying to
> compare them that way. More penetration, but also more susceptibility
> to EMI, and on and on and on.
>
> You were the one trying to make a point, Justin. I was simply pointing
> out it's not accurate. Not arguing the opposite.

Here you go again. Saying something's not accurate, but yet you're not
arguing.

On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:27:49 -0000, [email protected] (Mark F) chose to add
this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

>> Also, 1900 bounces off trees, buildings, etc better than 800, and so your
>> signal will propagate even further. Your Sprint PCS handset will benefit
>> from multipath dB gain.
>
>Incorrect, 1900 has greater pathloss and multipath can be detrimental
>more than additive as it is usually received out of phase from the
>target signal. All of this will decrease the usable signal at the
>target phone. You can't get gain by bouncing a signal,

Ordinarily, you'd be right, but I probably won't be the only one to tell
you that CDMA actually *benefits* from multipath. See the CDMA FAQ at:

http://denbeste.nu/cdmafaq/index.shtml

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"David S" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:27:49 -0000, [email protected] (Mark F) chose to add
> this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
>
> >> Also, 1900 bounces off trees, buildings, etc better than 800, and so
your
> >> signal will propagate even further. Your Sprint PCS handset will
benefit
> >> from multipath dB gain.
> >
> >Incorrect, 1900 has greater pathloss and multipath can be detrimental
> >more than additive as it is usually received out of phase from the
> >target signal. All of this will decrease the usable signal at the
> >target phone. You can't get gain by bouncing a signal,
>
> Ordinarily, you'd be right, but I probably won't be the only one to tell
> you that CDMA actually *benefits* from multipath. See the CDMA FAQ at:
>
> http://denbeste.nu/cdmafaq/index.shtml
>
> David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
> --
> http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
> Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
> "Newt loves animals. As a child he wanted to be a zookeeper."
> - Newt Gingrich spokesman Mike Shields responding to environmentalists
> upset that Gingrich was named to the board of the Wildlife Conservation
> Society, quoted in the New York Post.


You're exactly right, but I think some people in this thread are confusing
technologies with the frequnecies.

On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 11:43:44 -0500, "Justin Green" <[email protected]> chose
to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

>"David S" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:27:49 -0000, [email protected] (Mark F) chose to add
>> this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
>>
>> >> Also, 1900 bounces off trees, buildings, etc better than 800, and so your
>> >> signal will propagate even further. Your Sprint PCS handset will benefit
>> >> from multipath dB gain.
>> >
>> >Incorrect, 1900 has greater pathloss and multipath can be detrimental
>> >more than additive as it is usually received out of phase from the
>> >target signal. All of this will decrease the usable signal at the
>> >target phone. You can't get gain by bouncing a signal,
>>
>> Ordinarily, you'd be right, but I probably won't be the only one to tell
>> you that CDMA actually *benefits* from multipath. See the CDMA FAQ at:
>>
>> http://denbeste.nu/cdmafaq/index.shtml
>>
>You're exactly right, but I think some people in this thread are confusing
>technologies with the frequnecies.

They are, but not in this case, I think. The person Mark quoted (Paul) said
the greater amount of multipath inherent in 1900 would help SPCS service.
Mark said no, it would hurt. He just failed to consider that we are
discussing companies that use CDMA. Further back in the thread, there was
mention of Nextel, which would indeed (I assume -- I don't pretend to be an
expert) get poorer performance from multipath with its TDMA air interface.

David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
--
http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
"Wanna see if we can get a two-fer outta this medicine?" - Andy Sipowicz,
in his first post-coital cuddle following prostate surgery

"David S" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 11:43:44 -0500, "Justin Green" <[email protected]>
chose
> to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
>
> >"David S" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:27:49 -0000, [email protected] (Mark F) chose to
add
> >> this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
> >>
> >> >> Also, 1900 bounces off trees, buildings, etc better than 800, and so
your
> >> >> signal will propagate even further. Your Sprint PCS handset will
benefit
> >> >> from multipath dB gain.
> >> >
> >> >Incorrect, 1900 has greater pathloss and multipath can be detrimental
> >> >more than additive as it is usually received out of phase from the
> >> >target signal. All of this will decrease the usable signal at the
> >> >target phone. You can't get gain by bouncing a signal,
> >>
> >> Ordinarily, you'd be right, but I probably won't be the only one to
tell
> >> you that CDMA actually *benefits* from multipath. See the CDMA FAQ at:
> >>
> >> http://denbeste.nu/cdmafaq/index.shtml
> >>
> >You're exactly right, but I think some people in this thread are
confusing
> >technologies with the frequnecies.
>
> They are, but not in this case, I think. The person Mark quoted (Paul)
said
> the greater amount of multipath inherent in 1900 would help SPCS service.
> Mark said no, it would hurt. He just failed to consider that we are
> discussing companies that use CDMA. Further back in the thread, there was
> mention of Nextel, which would indeed (I assume -- I don't pretend to be
an
> expert) get poorer performance from multipath with its TDMA air interface.
>
> David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
> --
> http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
> Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
> "Wanna see if we can get a two-fer outta this medicine?" - Andy Sipowicz,
> in his first post-coital cuddle following prostate surgery


Yeah, there's really just one person confusing frequencies with technologies
here.