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- 09-08-2003, 04:35 PM #1Bob SmithGuest
Amazing to see the pictures of the citizens of NYC on CNN right now.
CNN just reported that CITA says the cellular providers are experiencing
grid loc, as everyone is trying to use their phones right now.
Bob::thinking that cell shrinkage right now means no calls unless you are
within 10 feet of a tower::
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- 09-08-2003, 04:35 PM #2RonkhGuest
Re: So, anyone in NYC able to make a call?
I have gotten calls from and to NYC & upstate NY on SPCS
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- 09-08-2003, 04:35 PM #3Steven J SobolGuest
Re: So, anyone in NYC able to make a call?
Bob Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> Amazing to see the pictures of the citizens of NYC on CNN right now.
>
> CNN just reported that CITA says the cellular providers are experiencing
> grid loc, as everyone is trying to use their phones right now.
>
> Bob::thinking that cell shrinkage right now means no calls unless you are
> within 10 feet of a tower::
Don't know about New York, but my family is in Cleveland - I moved
from there about 1 1/2 months ago - and all of my work is there. I was
able to call from my Verizon cell phone to an Alltel cell phone in Cleveland,
but only on about 3 out of 5 tries (got lots of fast busies). Haven't tried
my two close friends in Cleveland who are on SPCS.
Cleveland only has about 1.5 million people in the metro area, however,
where NYC has about 11-13 million. I'm sure there will be much more trouble
reaching NYC cell phones this evening.
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- 09-08-2003, 05:02 PM #4RonkhGuest
Re: So, anyone in NYC able to make a call?
actually from what i understand, nextel was down
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- 09-08-2003, 05:02 PM #5Isaiah BeardGuest
Re: So, anyone in NYC able to make a call?
We had a temporary hiccup in phone service in the central NJ area
shortly after the power outage. In my area, we had a power surge and
brownout that lasted about 30 seconds, then our local utility managed to
come back online.
Once power came back, both landline AND cell service were messed up.
Pick up the landline and dial any number, local or LD, and you'd
immediately get a fast busy signal. The SPCS phone was hit or miss:
about 25% of the time you'd connect, other times, you'd either get a
"network busy" message on the phone's screen, dead air or a fast busy.
Incoming calls were equally hit or miss. And voicemail was unreachable.
That lasted about an hour and a half. Phone and landline service were
restored simultaneously. So I think it may have been a problem with the
local switching office here.
Bob Smith wrote:
> Amazing to see the pictures of the citizens of NYC on CNN right now.
>
> CNN just reported that CITA says the cellular providers are experiencing
> grid loc, as everyone is trying to use their phones right now.
>
> Bob::thinking that cell shrinkage right now means no calls unless you are
> within 10 feet of a tower::
>
>
- 09-08-2003, 05:53 PM #6David G. ImberGuest
Re: So, anyone in NYC able to make a call?
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:37:37 GMT, "Bob Smith"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Amazing to see the pictures of the citizens of NYC on CNN right now.
>
>CNN just reported that CITA says the cellular providers are experiencing
>grid loc, as everyone is trying to use their phones right now.
>
>Bob::thinking that cell shrinkage right now means no calls unless you are
>within 10 feet of a tower::
In lower Manhattan I lost service right away, and the fast busy
signal suggested it was from overuse. Then, about three hours after the
power went down (around 7:15) I was able to make a few calls. Within twenty
minutes when I tried again I got bupkis, and that's the way it stayed until
my power came on again at 2:30 today.
- 09-08-2003, 05:53 PM #7PhillipeGuest
Re: So, anyone in NYC able to make a call?
In article <[email protected]>,
David G. Imber <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:37:37 GMT, "Bob Smith"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Amazing to see the pictures of the citizens of NYC on CNN right now.
> >
> >CNN just reported that CITA says the cellular providers are experiencing
> >grid loc, as everyone is trying to use their phones right now.
> >
> >Bob::thinking that cell shrinkage right now means no calls unless you are
> >within 10 feet of a tower::
>
> In lower Manhattan I lost service right away, and the fast busy
> signal suggested it was from overuse. Then, about three hours after the
> power went down (around 7:15) I was able to make a few calls. Within twenty
> minutes when I tried again I got bupkis, and that's the way it stayed until
> my power came on again at 2:30 today.
No reason for anyone to complain. The reason cell companies can come
close to breaking even is they build caacity that can handle 20% of
users making calls in case of emergency. The kind of unusual emergency
that might happen twice in 3 years.
A major blackout happens once ever 25 years. You really want Sprint (and
other cell companies) to have capacity for 100% of users to use the
system simultaneously? You willing to pay five times as much for that
ability??
...
- 09-08-2003, 05:53 PM #8David G. ImberGuest
Re: So, anyone in NYC able to make a call?
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:30:37 GMT, Phillipe <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>No reason for anyone to complain. The reason cell companies can come
>close to breaking even is they build caacity that can handle 20% of
>users making calls in case of emergency. The kind of unusual emergency
>that might happen twice in 3 years.
>
>A major blackout happens once ever 25 years. You really want Sprint (and
>other cell companies) to have capacity for 100% of users to use the
>system simultaneously? You willing to pay five times as much for that
>ability??
For the record, I wasn't complaining, just answering the question.
I agree with you. However, back in February I was at a large gathering and
could not make a call because the local cells were overloaded, I suppose.
At such times as those I would expect better performance. Even if there are
several hundred people concentrated in a small area trying to use the
system simultaneously, it should work. I imagine this won't be a problem in
a few years.
- 09-08-2003, 05:53 PM #9MaokhGuest
Re: So, anyone in NYC able to make a call?
Its not just sprint ... a lot of dialtone and various circuits went down
during the blackout. Not due to the carrier, but whoever ends up being
in the middle.
The PSTN (and internet) is a very vast network, dependent on
interconnections between a multitude of companies. If a couple
critical points lose power down the chain, backup power and extra
capacity at the cell site is useless.
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- 09-10-2003, 03:26 PM #10Chuck P AdamsGuest
Re: So, anyone in NYC able to make a call?
My verizon phone would not send a call for about a hour when the power went out
then I guess the load died down and now they go thru. Nextel had no problems
that I saw from people using the walkie talkie.
- 09-10-2003, 03:46 PM #11Paul KimGuest
Re: So, anyone in NYC able to make a call?
"Bob Smith" <[email protected]>:
> Bob::thinking that cell shrinkage right now means no calls unless you are
> within 10 feet of a tower::
So, do all cell towers have backup generators? Or how are they powered?
Also, how are phone networks powered? Why didn't they go down?
- 09-10-2003, 03:46 PM #12Paul KimGuest
Re: So, anyone in NYC able to make a call?
"Phillipe" <[email protected]> wrote:
> A major blackout happens once ever 25 years. You really want Sprint (and
> other cell companies) to have capacity for 100% of users to use the
> system simultaneously? You willing to pay five times as much for that
> ability??
>
100% capacity is not possible with 1xRTT and the spectrum Sprint has, in
metro areas like NYC.
Sprectrum-wise, it may be possible down the road, perhaps with packet-based
PTT, and EV-DV. After all, you can fit essentially a limitless number of
calls on 3mbps with a 8kbps codec. But then, they would also need to install
more bandwidth at the tower locations, not to mention the backbone probably
won't be able to handle that many calls from that many towers. So you'd
still probably get a fast busy signal
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