Rob - Heavy Vision Usage Question

Hey O/Siris I have been seeing this on most of your psot, and have been
curious as to what it is.. but at the end of every line there is an
=20?? What is it.. I am viewing the group through phonescoop, so I dont
know what it is..

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O/Siris <robjvargas@sprîntpcs.côm> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> In article <[email protected]>,=20
> [email protected] says...
> > In article <[email protected]>, robjvargas@spr=EEntpcs.c=
> =F4m (O/Siris .) wrote:
> > >Nomen Nescio <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > ><[email protected]>:
> > >> I've seen reports here from Rob and others that claim that Sprint is
> > > "watching" data usage and is
> > >> sending letters out to people whom them deem must be using a laptop be=
> cause
> > > of the volume of data
> > >> ... defined loosly as over 10Mb/week.
> > >>=20
> > >> My question is: What does Sprint do when that usage is conducted pure=
> ly on
> > > the handset?
> >=20
> > >I haven't seen any "borderline" cases, Nomen. Frankly, and this is just
> > >speculation, they aren't after every single violator. They are after
> > >the "let's run Kazaa 24/7", multi-gigabyte obvious users.
> >=20
> > Actually I'm all for Sprint shutting down people who ABUSE the phone-as-m=
> odem=20
> > feature onto Vision -- I certain want to have sufficient bandwidth availa=
> ble=20
> > for everyone to use reasonably.
> >=20
> > But it should be based on some reasonable notion of moderate use, like=20
> > 20-50mb/mo or something, not on whether it is using the phone as a modem =
> or=20
> > not.
>
> Apparently, the people who look at this are using that notion, to an=20
> extent. Like I said, the only people I've seen acted against are those=20
> who unquestionably went beyond what the service intended to provide. I=20
> agree with you that it should be more defined, and that the blanket=20
> prohibition is wrong. Still, that's the policy, and it needs to be=20
> said.
>
> >=20
> > In fact, I don't understand how Sprint could ultimately know whether the =
> phone=20
> > is being used as a "modem". I've read that Sprint can see the #777 dialin=
> g,=20
> > but that seems a bit silly. If I wrote my own Palm app, which would be si=
> milar=20
> > to the old Mocha PPP app, which would initiate a connection and then just=
> act=20
> > as a gateway, passing PPP or SLIP packets to the USB/serial port, how cou=
> ld=20
> > Sprint possibly distinguish whether what this custom PPP gateway Palm app=
> is=20
> > doing compared to any other Palm app that accesses the network ?
>
> From what I understand, the phones, including the PDA's, use different=20
> packets (subtly different format), as well as different amounts of=20
> traffic. Or so I've been told, anyway.
>
> >=20
> > How could Sprint know that I didn't write my own Telnet client or Browser=
> or=20
> > whatever vs a network app that passes packets to a serial port ?
> >=20
> > So this "modem" policing seems silly. Should be just be based on bandwidt=
> h=20
> > consumption...
> >=20
>
> Since I don't have access to the tools used to arrive at decisions, I=20
> can only pass on the story I've been given. Then again, if the really=20
> obvious users are the only ones getting Vision service cancelled, then=20
> maybe it's a moot discussion. Until we find out for sure, though, I can=20
> certainly understand both the confusion and the frustration. And even=20
> agree with it.
>
> --=20
> -+-
> R=D8=DF
> O/Siris
> I work for SprintPCS
> I *don't* speak for them.

[posted via phonescoop.com]

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]=20
says...
> Hey O/Siris I have been seeing this on most of your psot, and have been
> curious as to what it is.. but at the end of every line there is an
> =3D20?? What is it.. I am viewing the group through phonescoop, so I dont
> know what it is..
>=20

I think it's the way Gravity (my newsreader) breaks lines. I'm trying=20
to find out what I can do about it. The company that created it is no=20
longer in the business, and people who still provide it are allowed, but=20
unofficial.

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R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for SprintPCS
I *don't* speak for them.

ahhh ok.. so one more question are you the same O/siris on
3gupload.com?? Bucuz if you hadn't noticed, I'm the same vzwguy on there
as well, vzwguy2003

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be completely accurate.


O/Siris <robjvargas@sprîntpcs.côm> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]=20
> says...
> > Hey O/Siris I have been seeing this on most of your psot, and have been
> > curious as to what it is.. but at the end of every line there is an
> > =3D20?? What is it.. I am viewing the group through phonescoop, so I dont
> > know what it is..
> >=20
>
> I think it's the way Gravity (my newsreader) breaks lines. I'm trying=20
> to find out what I can do about it. The company that created it is no=20
> longer in the business, and people who still provide it are allowed, but=20
> unofficial.
>
> --=20
> -+-
> R=D8=DF
> O/Siris
> I work for SprintPCS
> I *don't* speak for them.

[posted via phonescoop.com]

O/Siris <robjvargas@spr=EEntpcs.c=F4m> wrote:
>>=20
>> In fact, I don't understand how Sprint could ultimately know
whether the phone
>> is being used as a "modem". I've read that
Sprint can see the #777 dialing,
>> but that seems a bit silly. If
I wrote my own Palm app, which would be similar
>> to the old Mocha
PPP app, which would initiate a connection and then just act
>> as a gateway, passing PPP or SLIP packets to the USB/serial port, how
could
>> Sprint possibly distinguish whether what this custom PPP
gateway Palm app is
>> doing compared to any other Palm app that accesses the network ?

> From what I understand, the phones, including the PDA's, use different
> packets (subtly different format), as well as different amounts of
> traffic. Or so I've been told, anyway.

I don't see how Sprint could tell a TELNET, FTP, HTTP or SMTP
connection that originates from a third party Palm app, versus a
third party Palm app just passing on the same packets that originated
instead from a laptop and are just gatewayed onto Vision via a
suitable third party Palm app. That is, just avoid using the Hayes
modem interface portion of the Smartphone and setup a custom Palm
network app that talks to the laptop using whatever mutually
agreeable protocol (PPP, SLIP, whatever).

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]=20
says...
> ahhh ok.. so one more question are you the same O/siris on
> 3gupload.com?? Bucuz if you hadn't noticed, I'm the same vzwguy on there
> as well, vzwguy2003
>=20

I noticed. And yes, I am

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R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for SprintPCS
I *don't* speak for them.

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]=20
says...
> I don't see how Sprint could tell a TELNET, FTP, HTTP or SMTP
> connection that originates from a third party Palm app, versus a
> third party Palm app just passing on the same packets that originated
> instead from a laptop and are just gatewayed onto Vision via a
> suitable third party Palm app. That is, just avoid using the Hayes
> modem interface portion of the Smartphone and setup a custom Palm
> network app that talks to the laptop using whatever mutually
> agreeable protocol (PPP, SLIP, whatever).
>=20

They could if the phones, including PDA's, encapsulate the packets in=20
some proprietary way, though.

I think. Seems to me you're right with PDA's. Probably easier to see=20
with the "pure" phones.

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R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for SprintPCS
I *don't* speak for them.