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  1. #31
    Bob Smith
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    Re: Want to have fun with customer service? Do this!


    "PHil_Real" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]...
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > Uhhh, Phillippe, no wait a minute, you changed your ID to Richard

    ....
    > > uhhh, that's not it ... that's right, you changed your ID again to

    P.
    > > Reality ... damn, you changed that one too, to PHil Real, the

    original
    > > poster did not mention what date those brochures were printed up.
    > > Could have been an old one. By the way, the OP was talking about
    > > Verizon.

    >
    > How about discussing the topic under consideration. cellular carrier
    > refusing to post accurate, complete and current maps; even after
    > agreeing to do so.
    >
    >
    > PLONK


    ROTFLOL ... for those of you who aren't aware (especially in the other
    newsgroups), the prior poster has changed his identity 4 times in less
    than three weeks. He also said that he had filtered yours truly 2
    weeks ago. What's more, he's usually the one who goes off topic on an
    attack against SPCS in the SPCS newsgroup.

    As to discussions on this thread, my comments on the original OP's
    discussion, were right on, when asking how old the brochure was ... or
    did you miss that too Phillippe?

    Bob





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  2. #32
    AL
    Guest

    Re: Want to have fun with customer service? Do this!

    Yep, torment small simple minds like yours... And I gotcha

    AL

    p.s. The brochure was June of 2003 if anyone caress. But they signed the
    Code, now the have to produce, but they won't, not for many moons.

    "cell play" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Hey AL, you're a moron. Look on their website, the map has changed and
    > is much clearer. Every carrier has the same thing on all their coverage
    > maps. And it is an approximation due to the fact that cellular service
    > and signal strength can vary based upon many conditions, including
    > weather. All in all, don't you have anything better to do?






  3. #33
    BlahBlah Blabber
    Guest

    Re: Want to have fun with customer service? Do this!

    Then don't read the post.

    Maybe you should visit
    alt.orgnaizations.chruchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints if you choose to
    take the moral, holier than though high ground.

    there's more offensive subjects on network tv...like network tv, don't
    watch it or read my post if the content offends you.

    Are you like this everyday or just days that end with a "Y".

    Yahoo.

    --
    The trivial wireless concerns of certain segments of the population is
    totally amazing.


    PHil_Real <[email protected]> wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > [email protected] (BlahBlah Blabber) wrote:
    >
    > > No. Who's Cletis? Related to Cooter?
    > >
    > > I'm posting to a news group not writing a dissertation. Always funny
    > > how news group yahoos (like yourself) critique "language" as last
    > > resort. "He can't ***** therefore the message lacks credibiltiy."

    >
    > and using 4 letter words gives you credibility?


    [posted via phonescoop.com]



  4. #34
    PHil_Real
    Guest

    Re: Want to have fun with customer service? Do this!

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (BlahBlah Blabber) wrote:

    > Then don't read the post.
    >
    > Maybe you should visit
    > alt.orgnaizations.chruchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints if you choose to
    > take the moral, holier than though high ground.
    >
    > there's more offensive subjects on network tv...like network tv, don't
    > watch it or read my post if the content offends you.
    >
    > Are you like this everyday or just days that end with a "Y".


    PLONK



  5. #35
    Lawrence Glasser
    Guest

    Re: Want to have fun with customer service? Do this!

    BlahBlah Blabber wrote:
    >
    > Then don't read the post.
    >
    > Maybe you should visit
    > alt.orgnaizations.chruchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints if you choose to
    > take the moral, holier than though high ground.


    .... or just leave your front door opened on Sunday mornings.

    Larry



  6. #36
    cell play
    Guest

    Re: Want to have fun with customer service? Do this!

    Got me on what? I care about my costs and end product. Just like the
    many frivolous lawsuits filed in America every day, those costs are
    reflected in our premiums. Calling customer service to ask about every
    plank of the Consumer code to get a rise costs $7. Do you think
    cellular companies eat that cost? If you do, you're naive. It's
    reflected in plan costs. All I'm saying is to spend your time doing
    something more productive and quit wasting everyone's money, just like
    you've wasted my time to prove that your statement about calling
    customer care is idiotic. The sad thing is your statements probably
    goaded some other moronic individuals (like PHil.... my nutz) into
    calling customer care, thusly compounding the wasted time and money with
    unneccessary calls to cust care.

    Have a good day genius.

    "AL" <[email protected]> wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    > Yep, torment small simple minds like yours... And I gotcha
    >
    > AL
    >
    > p.s. The brochure was June of 2003 if anyone caress. But they signed the
    > Code, now the have to produce, but they won't, not for many moons.
    >
    > "cell play" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Hey AL, you're a moron. Look on their website, the map has changed and
    > > is much clearer. Every carrier has the same thing on all their coverage
    > > maps. And it is an approximation due to the fact that cellular service
    > > and signal strength can vary based upon many conditions, including
    > > weather. All in all, don't you have anything better to do?

    >
    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com]



  7. #37
    Cell Academician
    Guest

    Re: Want to have fun with customer service? Do this!

    [email protected] (cell play) wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    > Got me on what? I care about my costs and end product. Just like the
    > many frivolous lawsuits filed in America every day, those costs are
    > reflected in our premiums. Calling customer service to ask about every
    > plank of the Consumer code to get a rise costs $7. Do you think
    > cellular companies eat that cost? If you do, you're naive. It's
    > reflected in plan costs.


    Actually, you are naive. Plan costs are not computed by
    some formula based on the cost of providing service.
    The plans are priced according to the market. The reason
    that there are so many different plans is that the carrier
    is attempting to both not lose subscribers based on price,
    but not leave money on the able from subscribers for
    whom price is not an over-riding issue.

    Furthermore, even if dividing the cost of customer
    service by the total calls, comes out to $7, this does
    not mean that the incremental cost of another call is
    $7, in reality the incremental cost is close to zero.

    [posted via phonescoop.com]



  8. #38
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest

    Re: Want to have fun with customer service? Do this!

    On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:39:02 GMT, "AL" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >The rep was speechless. Give them a call and see what happens.
    >The bottom line already they are breaking their pledges and this is an
    >industry that needs heavy regulation, tracking of dead spots and of
    >no-service and other service issues and problems.
    >Plus an actual real coverage map would be nice. But I don't think its going
    >to happen.
    >What was that FCC number again, oh yeah, 1-888-225-5322
    >

    This is an industry that needs annual "Proof of Performance Tests",
    performed by reputable, TOUCHABLE outside RF engineering
    firms...exactly like broadcasting is forced to do.

    You have a license to cover this topographical area from W to X to Y
    to Z, inclusive. You WILL provide a MINIMUM standard level of RF
    across your spectrum of X microvolts per meter to ensure good service
    in your LICENSED operating area to provide the public with a certain
    level of service. This must be verified, annually, by a disconnected
    outside engineering firm who files the annual engineering report with
    the FCC bureaucrats. You have 90 days to correct any deficiencies in
    the report or FCC files a "Notice of Liability" on you sending in the
    Enforcement Bureau to see why you have not complied. Fines are
    $10,000/per day/per occurance until it's fixed.....

    Wanna bet we'd see LESS ads blasting Nextel and MORE tower crews
    erecting panels in the DEAD ZONES?....

    Hey! Great idea! New FCC ruling - no advertising as long as there
    are outstanding violations in coverage and performance. You can't
    afford saturation advertising....YOU HAVE TOWERS TO BUY!

    If we enforced this on all the carriers, we'd be rid of their stupid
    ads FOREVER!....(c;.....and the FCC would have cured its funding
    crunch!



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?



  9. #39
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest

    Re: Want to have fun with customer service? Do this!

    On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:13:27 -0000, [email protected] (BlahBlah
    Blabber) wrote:

    >Al-
    >
    >Your are a complete dip ****. Have you ever realized that your FM/AM
    >radio goes out from time to time or there's static....?Or that the
    >service is sometimes unreliable and spotty? Depsite any carriers claim
    >to have the best network, you should expect the same. Your cell phone
    >is a freaking radio.


    Horse****. Your AM/FM radio has solid coverage across the licensed
    area, supported by the Proof of Performance Tests it submits to,
    annually. Go ask any radio engineer at any station over 100 watts to
    see his last Proof of Performance report. Every station has them.....
    >
    >So, you expect there to be some magic map, available to all consumers
    >that takes into consideration certain things like topography,
    >atmospheric conditions, capacity and the like? Give me a break, the
    >current maps are a guide and nothing less and you shouldn't need
    >anything else.


    Every cellular carrier has an engineering study done to get his
    license in the first place. As part of that license application, a
    computer program is run by the engineering firm to determine the
    coverage area of every transmitter licensed to him. Every commercial
    transmitter from Smiley's Paging and Storm Door to your county's
    trunked radio system to Nextel and, yes, even Whorizon Wireless has
    them in every market across the country.

    All that's needed is to force the carrier to REVEAL these coverage
    maps to keep his license valid.......or else.
    >
    >You need this type of detailed map, probably to be developed by NASA or
    >something, so the carrier can pass additional costs on to the consumer?


    The maps exist for EVERY tower on EVERY system EVER erected and
    licensed. All they need to do is publish it.....forcibly, if
    necessary.
    >
    >Dip **** Al, realize this...everytime you call CS for your idiotic
    >concerns that generates a cost...A cost that's typically about 5 bucks a
    >phone call. Don't you think those costs are passed along somewhere to
    >the consumer? Save your useless breath - call customer service when you
    >have a real issue. There's going to be dead spots, there's going to be
    >dropped calls. If you want reliability stick to your land line or talk
    >face face.


    Boo Hoo.....Every time WABC-AM has a Proof of Performance done on that
    beautiful Harris digital AM transmitter's pattern over New Jersey, it
    generates a cost, too. But, to keep their license, they do it.....

    This isn't a goddamn hobby. This is a professional company providing
    a professional service over the PUBLIC AIRWAVES. That's why we issued
    them a license, to SERVE THE PUBLIC, just like we did at WABC.

    They're not ham radio operators, you know, doing this for
    fun......Horse****.
    >
    >Call the FCC and waste their time and my tax dollars too. I'm sure they
    >have more important things to worry about because you can't make phone
    >when you're at baseball game to wave at your jackass friend across the
    >stadium or to call some and say "guess where I am, I'm at a baseball
    >game." Or because your phone won't work while you're standing in line at
    >the grocery store trying to make a call while others are waiting for
    >your dumb ass to pay attention and pay your bill.


    Ah, the company line and the company attitude in full view. No
    citizen paying an FCC bureaucrat's salary is wasting their time.
    That's the ONLY reason the FCC exists....to serve the PUBLIC good.
    It's why Channel 4 isn't making big money playing pay-tv porn. There
    are RULES AND REGULATIONS for the public good.

    It's goddamn time these bureaucrats got off the bribes and do their
    jobs, actually......
    >
    >And then you call for additional regulation? The competitive
    >marketplace has done just fine solving these issues themselves. That's
    >all we need is more government regulation, more bureaucracy and higher
    >costs.


    The "competitive market" has created a hodge-podge of half assed
    companies using a hodge podge of incompatible modulation systems on a
    hodge podge of half-assed systems bought up through acquisitions and
    patched together by a half-assed, undependable network of bought up
    phone companies. That's what the "competitive market" has done to
    cellular phones.

    When the FCC did its job, EVERY phone ran on EVERY system of EVERY
    company because they were all using the SAME system on the SAME
    frequencies with the SAME modulation......SAME reason you only have to
    buy ONE TV set to receive EVERY TV station with a license to transmit
    all the way from Coast to Coast!
    >
    >See the forest from the trees you dip ****.


    More teenage tongue sticking out and name calling. How childish of
    you. Are you 18 yet? 16? 12?



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?



  10. #40
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest

    Re: Want to have fun with customer service? Do this!

    I just called 611 and the clueless pinhead is sending me a new
    coverage map which I will bet $50 is the same old rate map we've seen
    for years......


    Thanks for the head's up!
    This should be fun.....(c;



    On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:20:45 -0500, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >"BlahBlah Blabber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> Al-
    >>
    >> Your are a complete dip ****. Have you ever realized that your FM/AM
    >> radio goes out from time to time or there's static....?Or that the
    >> service is sometimes unreliable and spotty? Depsite any carriers claim
    >> to have the best network, you should expect the same. Your cell phone
    >> is a freaking radio.
    >>
    >> So, you expect there to be some magic map, available to all consumers
    >> that takes into consideration certain things like topography,
    >> atmospheric conditions, capacity and the like? Give me a break, the
    >> current maps are a guide and nothing less and you shouldn't need
    >> anything else.
    >>
    >> You need this type of detailed map, probably to be developed by NASA or
    >> something, so the carrier can pass additional costs on to the consumer?
    >>
    >> Dip **** Al, realize this...everytime you call CS for your idiotic
    >> concerns that generates a cost...A cost that's typically about 5 bucks a
    >> phone call. Don't you think those costs are passed along somewhere to
    >> the consumer? Save your useless breath - call customer service when you
    >> have a real issue. There's going to be dead spots, there's going to be
    >> dropped calls. If you want reliability stick to your land line or talk
    >> face face.
    >>
    >> Call the FCC and waste their time and my tax dollars too. I'm sure they
    >> have more important things to worry about because you can't make phone
    >> when you're at baseball game to wave at your jackass friend across the
    >> stadium or to call some and say "guess where I am, I'm at a baseball
    >> game." Or because your phone won't work while you're standing in line at
    >> the grocery store trying to make a call while others are waiting for
    >> your dumb ass to pay attention and pay your bill.
    >>
    >> And then you call for additional regulation? The competitive
    >> marketplace has done just fine solving these issues themselves. That's
    >> all we need is more government regulation, more bureaucracy and higher
    >> costs.
    >>
    >> See the forest from the trees you dip ****.
    >> --
    >> The trivial wireless concerns of certain segments of the population is
    >> totally amazing.
    >>
    >>

    >
    >Hey buddy, don't be a coward, come one and use your real name.
    >
    >For one thing, Al was making an attempt at humor. For another, a rate map
    >is not a coverage map. They ARE required by this *code* to offer coverage
    >maps. That doesn't mean every square inch of the USA. Assumptions about
    >coverage from a tower is probably fine. But a reasonable attempt by listing
    >tower locations is certainly in order. This alone would show all the holes
    >in the America's choice network (or Sprint's Free & Clear PCS network for
    >that fact) that current rate maps show as covered. This also does not
    >preclude the carriers from offering rate maps as well (roaming carriers
    >obviously would not be on a coverage map for Verizon unless they decided to
    >specifically add it).
    >
    >Tom Veldhouse
    >
    >



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?



  11. #41
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest

    Re: Want to have fun with customer service? Do this!

    On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:40:15 -0000, [email protected] (BlahBlah
    Blabber) wrote:

    >You show a lack of industry understanding...I work in the industry for a
    >major, undisclosed, player. I'm not in customer service, sales or
    >network and I'm not some 25K a year employee.
    >
    >Do you realize how often the type of collateral (i.e. tower locations)
    >would change for any given carrier? ****, it's hard enough to get an
    >accurate and up to date list INTERNALLY, let alone one that's accurate
    >for the general public.


    There's no "list" to it. Simply post the same coverage maps you filed
    with your last FCC license application to a webpage and give us the
    URL. It's not too much to ask and no further engineering study needs
    to be done. Every FCC commercial application filed in the last 50
    years has had one. Hell, I used to have to file it to get a ham radio
    repeater until we got them used to the idea we were a hobby, which
    your commercial company charging people money to use it is not.

    I'll even accept an FTP server with the maps already on it. No need
    to hype up a fancy webpage......I want to save the company lots of
    money. Just put the maps in a public download FTP server. They
    already have thousands of them with big bandwidth.

    >
    >I can just anticipate the law suits from ambulance chasers because the
    >map they have isn't "accurate" or was "misleading."


    Ah, now we are getting down to the MEAT of the issue.....LIABILITY
    caused by the LIES, False Advertising and MARKETING. Every goddamned
    map they've ever published comes under that last word. Everything
    printed is a LIE.
    >
    >Johnny Cocharn anyone? "If it don't complete it's obsolete..."
    >
    >All Networks have holes. Deal with it. That's why reputable carriers
    >have things like return policies so you can use the phone in locations
    >that you would typically use it, like work, home or your commute, to
    >determine if it suits your needs.


    How can anyone "determine if it suits your needs" if we can't have an
    ACCURATE map of the REAL COVERAGE? Why the hiding? Why the LIES?
    >
    >If you really have to have tower location information, go to the
    >following site:
    >
    >http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrS...tionSearch.jsp
    >

    Tower location means nothing without topographical interface and, of
    all people, YOU know it. Power, antenna gain, system loss, antenna
    pattern, path loss and TOPOGRAPHY. It's all there in the REAL
    coverage maps the companies ALREADY have paid for! What was that FTP
    server address? We'll cross it to the tower numbers and sectors,
    again to save the company money.



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?



  12. #42
    Quick
    Guest

    Re: Want to have fun with customer service? Do this!


    "PHil_Real" <[email protected]> wrote >
    > I think if a person's circumstances change through no fault of their
    > own, there should be a way out of contract. Return the phone, pay $50,
    > and service is prorated to that day.


    This sounded good to begin with and I was thinking "Probably not
    possible since there would be no way to determine 'no fault of their
    own'". "Really, it wasn't my fault. My wife just went nuts with the
    credit card and blew all my money"...

    Then I started thinking, why should the company take the fall
    for "no fault" circumstances? This is the same reasoning that
    people use when they justify something with "They're a big
    company making lots of money so they should take the hit.
    Besides its a drop in the bucket to them"... I don't agree with
    that.

    -Quick





  13. #43
    SprintPCS Tech
    Guest

    Re: Want to have fun with customer service? Do this!

    *snipping out all the replies*

    I am sure I'm not the first to say this, and I know I won't be the last,
    but yes, it would be great if all the carriers could supply maps that
    are 100% accurate.

    But this is nearly impossible with any large-area wireless application,
    from cel phones, to WiFi internet, to satellite TV, to AM/FM radio,
    shortwave, CB, cordless phone, whatever. Our technology isn't good
    enough that wireless can be as reliable as wired, no matter what anyone
    says.

    There are too many "variables" to even calculate 100% accurate coverage.
    Coverage areas shrink and grow as usage goes higher and lower,
    respectively. New buildings being put up interfere, new cel towers can
    negatively effect performance. Storms, trees blooming in the
    springtime, the wind can effect it, too. Even a lot of places have
    deliberate blockers (hospitals etc..) and that can affect the coverage
    for miles.

    These dead spots move, grow, shrink on a constant basis, rarely being
    the same size and place twice. Coverage is constantly changing due to
    countless variables.

    I'm sure all wireless service companies try their hardest to make the
    maps as accurate as possible, but 100% is impossible.

    How can they be accurate? We all see the Verizon commercials, "Can you
    hear me now?". That is one way, but I'm sure paying a team of people to
    do this full time would be expensive and the companies wouldn't eat the
    costs of it. All the wireless providers do have teams of people who do
    go out and test the network when they receive reports of dead spots, but
    not on a constant basis.

    I know SprintPCS used to have a way for customers to log dead spots, but
    most of the people who called didn't want to answer all the questions,
    or answered them incorrectly (location, cross street, time, weather,
    surroundings, etc..), and it came to the point it was unreliable since
    people were stretching the truth, making people do 2-3 times the testing
    they had to.

    I'm sure I speak for all the wireless providers when I say their network
    operations teams are not stupid, they, and their corperate co-workers,
    know the importance of having GOOD coverage, and as few dropped calls as
    possible. They know this, and if they didn't, they never would have
    made it this far. They know dropped calls is bad for business, and dead
    spots are worse.

    I also notice a lot of people are complaining that the plans are too
    expensive, and they're also complaining about coverage. Well, how do
    you think they're going to pay for this extra testing that you're
    demanding for? Higher plan rates. The price wars seemed to have
    bottomed out over the past few years, and now they're all trying to
    recover losses and improve on their networks.

    If you're calling in to report a dead spot, don't tretch the truth, that
    will get nothing done. Be as specific as you can be (I never get
    service near exit 117 on the Garden State Parkway in New jersey in the
    afternoon / I always drop calls from mile pointer 98 to 102 in I95
    though South Carolina etc..). Don't like about it, you're making a
    difficult job even harder.

    [posted via phonescoop.com]



  14. #44
    Justin Green
    Guest

    Re: Want to have fun with customer service? Do this!


    "Larry W4CSC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:13:27 -0000, [email protected] (BlahBlah
    > Blabber) wrote:
    >
    > >Al-
    > >
    > >Your are a complete dip ****. Have you ever realized that your FM/AM
    > >radio goes out from time to time or there's static....?Or that the
    > >service is sometimes unreliable and spotty? Depsite any carriers claim
    > >to have the best network, you should expect the same. Your cell phone
    > >is a freaking radio.

    >
    > Horse****. Your AM/FM radio has solid coverage across the licensed
    > area, supported by the Proof of Performance Tests it submits to,
    > annually. Go ask any radio engineer at any station over 100 watts to
    > see his last Proof of Performance report. Every station has them.....
    > >
    > >So, you expect there to be some magic map, available to all consumers
    > >that takes into consideration certain things like topography,
    > >atmospheric conditions, capacity and the like? Give me a break, the
    > >current maps are a guide and nothing less and you shouldn't need
    > >anything else.

    >
    > Every cellular carrier has an engineering study done to get his
    > license in the first place. As part of that license application, a
    > computer program is run by the engineering firm to determine the
    > coverage area of every transmitter licensed to him. Every commercial
    > transmitter from Smiley's Paging and Storm Door to your county's
    > trunked radio system to Nextel and, yes, even Whorizon Wireless has
    > them in every market across the country.
    >
    > All that's needed is to force the carrier to REVEAL these coverage
    > maps to keep his license valid.......or else.
    > >
    > >You need this type of detailed map, probably to be developed by NASA or
    > >something, so the carrier can pass additional costs on to the consumer?

    >
    > The maps exist for EVERY tower on EVERY system EVER erected and
    > licensed. All they need to do is publish it.....forcibly, if
    > necessary.
    > >
    > >Dip **** Al, realize this...everytime you call CS for your idiotic
    > >concerns that generates a cost...A cost that's typically about 5 bucks a
    > >phone call. Don't you think those costs are passed along somewhere to
    > >the consumer? Save your useless breath - call customer service when you
    > >have a real issue. There's going to be dead spots, there's going to be
    > >dropped calls. If you want reliability stick to your land line or talk
    > >face face.

    >
    > Boo Hoo.....Every time WABC-AM has a Proof of Performance done on that
    > beautiful Harris digital AM transmitter's pattern over New Jersey, it
    > generates a cost, too. But, to keep their license, they do it.....
    >
    > This isn't a goddamn hobby. This is a professional company providing
    > a professional service over the PUBLIC AIRWAVES. That's why we issued
    > them a license, to SERVE THE PUBLIC, just like we did at WABC.
    >
    > They're not ham radio operators, you know, doing this for
    > fun......Horse****.
    > >
    > >Call the FCC and waste their time and my tax dollars too. I'm sure they
    > >have more important things to worry about because you can't make phone
    > >when you're at baseball game to wave at your jackass friend across the
    > >stadium or to call some and say "guess where I am, I'm at a baseball
    > >game." Or because your phone won't work while you're standing in line at
    > >the grocery store trying to make a call while others are waiting for
    > >your dumb ass to pay attention and pay your bill.

    >
    > Ah, the company line and the company attitude in full view. No
    > citizen paying an FCC bureaucrat's salary is wasting their time.
    > That's the ONLY reason the FCC exists....to serve the PUBLIC good.
    > It's why Channel 4 isn't making big money playing pay-tv porn. There
    > are RULES AND REGULATIONS for the public good.
    >
    > It's goddamn time these bureaucrats got off the bribes and do their
    > jobs, actually......
    > >
    > >And then you call for additional regulation? The competitive
    > >marketplace has done just fine solving these issues themselves. That's
    > >all we need is more government regulation, more bureaucracy and higher
    > >costs.

    >
    > The "competitive market" has created a hodge-podge of half assed
    > companies using a hodge podge of incompatible modulation systems on a
    > hodge podge of half-assed systems bought up through acquisitions and
    > patched together by a half-assed, undependable network of bought up
    > phone companies. That's what the "competitive market" has done to
    > cellular phones.
    >
    > When the FCC did its job, EVERY phone ran on EVERY system of EVERY
    > company because they were all using the SAME system on the SAME
    > frequencies with the SAME modulation......SAME reason you only have to
    > buy ONE TV set to receive EVERY TV station with a license to transmit
    > all the way from Coast to Coast!
    > >
    > >See the forest from the trees you dip ****.

    >
    > More teenage tongue sticking out and name calling. How childish of
    > you. Are you 18 yet? 16? 12?
    >
    >
    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >
    > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?


    Excellent post.





  15. #45
    John
    Guest

    Re: Want to have fun with customer service? Do this!

    "PHil_Real" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    <snip>

    > I think if a person's circumstances change through no fault of their
    > own, there should be a way out of contract. Return the phone, pay $50,
    > and service is prorated to that day.


    You realize you've just validated their early termination fee argument. Why
    did you choose $50 as opposed to $150 or whatever the ETF is? Someone,
    somewhere, made a calculation and they determined that they need to charge
    $150. What makes your $50 estimate more valide than theirs? If you think
    their estimate is too high, you're welcome to search for a company that has
    a smaller ETF charge.

    As to the phone, they don't want the phone. Its used and worthless to them.
    It's definitely not worth your $100 trade off. Now, if they can prorate to
    the day, that'd be great. But it's really not that high of a priority to
    me. I'd rather they spend the money improving coverage rather than updating
    their billing systems. I mean, come on, what's your monthly bill and how
    often do you cancel services?






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