GSM to Overtake CDMA?

I know there was a post on this two months ago in alt.cellular.gsm, but
I thought I'd open it up to a few more people.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/59/31758.html

The major GSM carriers in the United States are T-Mobile, Cingular, and
AT&T. The major CDMA carriers in the United States are Verizon
Wireless, CellularOne (West), ALLTel, and Sprint PCS. The Major TDMA
carriers in the US are Cingular, AT&T, CellularOne (East), CellularOne
(West) [they use this network only for roaming purposes, the sell CDMA
service to their own customrs, but their roaming revenue often exceeds
revenue from their own subscribers].

What do you think about GSM vs TDMA vs CDMA vs iDEN vs AMPS??

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"About Dakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I know there was a post on this two months ago in alt.cellular.gsm, but
> I thought I'd open it up to a few more people.
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/59/31758.html
>
> The major GSM carriers in the United States are T-Mobile, Cingular, and
> AT&T. The major CDMA carriers in the United States are Verizon
> Wireless, CellularOne (West), ALLTel, and Sprint PCS. The Major TDMA
> carriers in the US are Cingular, AT&T, CellularOne (East), CellularOne
> (West) [they use this network only for roaming purposes, the sell CDMA
> service to their own customrs, but their roaming revenue often exceeds
> revenue from their own subscribers].
>
> What do you think about GSM vs TDMA vs CDMA vs iDEN vs AMPS??
>
> AD

Actually, it was cross-posted (and beat to death) then too, dimwit.
Everybody get ready for Navas.. again.

And learn to google 'Dakota'. You'll save us all some trouble.
--
Jason G
2002: Yanks - $126M = 103 wins, A's - $40M = 103 wins too!

It's way past the time the FCC needs to start doing its job and
CHOOSE, as they did with AMPS in the first place, a modulation scheme
for digital cellular to use.

Iden doesn't count. Nextel is a trunked radio provider offering
telephone interconnect to its trunked radio customers. It was never a
cellular phone, although it looks like one.

I prefer AMPS, myself, and use a 3W bagphone with its FM transmitter
giving me much more range, clarity and the ability to find a hot spot
way out in the fringe by simply listening for minimum noise, something
no digital system can do. The stupid Verizon commercial with the
Japanese Taxi Driver trying to find a hotspot for the guy in the back
is an excellent example. In intense multipath fading areas, I can
still use my phone by moving it 3" in the appropriate direction until
the noise disappears. Onstar uses AMPS because it works most
everywhere, not just in the digital cities and interstate corridors
between them.

As FCC MANDATED they all use AMPS so that ANY phone would work on ANY
system in ANY area.....FCC needs, again, to MANDATE a single digital
modulation scheme forcing them to stop this proprietary, churn
prevention bull**** locking customers to systems to prevent them from
finding the best carrier that suits their needs. Digital is about
CHURNING.



On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:59:48 -0500, About Dakota
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I know there was a post on this two months ago in alt.cellular.gsm, but
>I thought I'd open it up to a few more people.
>
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/59/31758.html
>
>The major GSM carriers in the United States are T-Mobile, Cingular, and
>AT&T. The major CDMA carriers in the United States are Verizon
>Wireless, CellularOne (West), ALLTel, and Sprint PCS. The Major TDMA
>carriers in the US are Cingular, AT&T, CellularOne (East), CellularOne
>(West) [they use this network only for roaming purposes, the sell CDMA
>service to their own customrs, but their roaming revenue often exceeds
>revenue from their own subscribers].
>
>What do you think about GSM vs TDMA vs CDMA vs iDEN vs AMPS??
>
>AD
>


Larry W4CSC

3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

No. There is a second form of CDMA called WCDMA which will be sharing
the spotlight with EDGE as a base for GSM. This has nothing to do with
CDMA with its 1rxtt base. That form CDMA will go to a 3rxtt (so much
for my tech knowledge). As far as CDMA versus GSM both of them stand
toe to toe. Any statements of one winning over the other is competition
claims- not the facts.

About Dakota <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> I know there was a post on this two months ago in alt.cellular.gsm, but
> I thought I'd open it up to a few more people.
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/59/31758.html
>
> The major GSM carriers in the United States are T-Mobile, Cingular, and
> AT&T. The major CDMA carriers in the United States are Verizon
> Wireless, CellularOne (West), ALLTel, and Sprint PCS. The Major TDMA
> carriers in the US are Cingular, AT&T, CellularOne (East), CellularOne
> (West) [they use this network only for roaming purposes, the sell CDMA
> service to their own customrs, but their roaming revenue often exceeds
> revenue from their own subscribers].
>
> What do you think about GSM vs TDMA vs CDMA vs iDEN vs AMPS??
>
> AD
>

[posted via phonescoop.com]

The Republicans will never mandate anything for business, they want to
roll back many of the regulations that have been put into effect to
protect our air, water and earth. Colin's son will never let the FCC
mandate a specific technology for US digital use.

--
Chris

Please respond on Usenet or Phonescoop.com


[email protected] (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> It's way past the time the FCC needs to start doing its job and
> CHOOSE, as they did with AMPS in the first place, a modulation scheme
> for digital cellular to use.
>
> Iden doesn't count. Nextel is a trunked radio provider offering
> telephone interconnect to its trunked radio customers. It was never a
> cellular phone, although it looks like one.
>
> I prefer AMPS, myself, and use a 3W bagphone with its FM transmitter
> giving me much more range, clarity and the ability to find a hot spot
> way out in the fringe by simply listening for minimum noise, something
> no digital system can do. The stupid Verizon commercial with the
> Japanese Taxi Driver trying to find a hotspot for the guy in the back
> is an excellent example. In intense multipath fading areas, I can
> still use my phone by moving it 3" in the appropriate direction until
> the noise disappears. Onstar uses AMPS because it works most
> everywhere, not just in the digital cities and interstate corridors
> between them.
>
> As FCC MANDATED they all use AMPS so that ANY phone would work on ANY
> system in ANY area.....FCC needs, again, to MANDATE a single digital
> modulation scheme forcing them to stop this proprietary, churn
> prevention bull**** locking customers to systems to prevent them from
> finding the best carrier that suits their needs. Digital is about
> CHURNING.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:59:48 -0500, About Dakota
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I know there was a post on this two months ago in alt.cellular.gsm, but
> >I thought I'd open it up to a few more people.
> >
> >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/59/31758.html
> >
> >The major GSM carriers in the United States are T-Mobile, Cingular, and
> >AT&T. The major CDMA carriers in the United States are Verizon
> >Wireless, CellularOne (West), ALLTel, and Sprint PCS. The Major TDMA
> >carriers in the US are Cingular, AT&T, CellularOne (East), CellularOne
> >(West) [they use this network only for roaming purposes, the sell CDMA
> >service to their own customrs, but their roaming revenue often exceeds
> >revenue from their own subscribers].
> >
> >What do you think about GSM vs TDMA vs CDMA vs iDEN vs AMPS??
> >
> >AD
> >
>
>
> Larry W4CSC
>
> 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
> gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
> conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

[posted via phonescoop.com]

Just out of curiosity, what the heck IS 1rxtt? I Though it was 1xrtt? I keep
seeing people that reverse the r and the x, which is it? and what does it
mean? It's hard enough to keep track of one acronym, let alone 2!


"William Bray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> No. There is a second form of CDMA called WCDMA which will be sharing
> the spotlight with EDGE as a base for GSM. This has nothing to do with
> CDMA with its 1rxtt base. That form CDMA will go to a 3rxtt (so much
> for my tech knowledge). As far as CDMA versus GSM both of them stand
> toe to toe. Any statements of one winning over the other is competition
> claims- not the facts.
>

Don't forget about CDMA 2000.

--
Chris

Please respond on Usenet or Phonescoop.com


[email protected] (William Bray) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> No. There is a second form of CDMA called WCDMA which will be sharing
> the spotlight with EDGE as a base for GSM. This has nothing to do with
> CDMA with its 1rxtt base. That form CDMA will go to a 3rxtt (so much
> for my tech knowledge). As far as CDMA versus GSM both of them stand
> toe to toe. Any statements of one winning over the other is competition
> claims- not the facts.
>
> About Dakota <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> > I know there was a post on this two months ago in alt.cellular.gsm, but
> > I thought I'd open it up to a few more people.
> >
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/59/31758.html
> >
> > The major GSM carriers in the United States are T-Mobile, Cingular, and
> > AT&T. The major CDMA carriers in the United States are Verizon
> > Wireless, CellularOne (West), ALLTel, and Sprint PCS. The Major TDMA
> > carriers in the US are Cingular, AT&T, CellularOne (East), CellularOne
> > (West) [they use this network only for roaming purposes, the sell CDMA
> > service to their own customrs, but their roaming revenue often exceeds
> > revenue from their own subscribers].
> >
> > What do you think about GSM vs TDMA vs CDMA vs iDEN vs AMPS??
> >
> > AD
> >
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]

[posted via phonescoop.com]

William Bray wrote:

> No. There is a second form of CDMA called WCDMA which will be sharing
> the spotlight with EDGE as a base for GSM. This has nothing to do with
> CDMA with its 1rxtt base. That form CDMA will go to a 3rxtt (so much
> for my tech knowledge). As far as CDMA versus GSM both of them stand
> toe to toe. Any statements of one winning over the other is competition
> claims- not the facts.
3xRTT is CDMA with 3 channels instead of 1. CDMA takes up 1.25MHz with
the guardbands and WCDMA/UMTS takes up 5MHz with guardbands. Both will
be completely incompatible with each other due to major differences.The
core network is supposedly different too.
>
> About Dakota <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
>
>>I know there was a post on this two months ago in alt.cellular.gsm, but
>>I thought I'd open it up to a few more people.
>>
>>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/59/31758.html
>>
>>The major GSM carriers in the United States are T-Mobile, Cingular, and
>>AT&T. The major CDMA carriers in the United States are Verizon
>>Wireless, CellularOne (West), ALLTel, and Sprint PCS. The Major TDMA
>>carriers in the US are Cingular, AT&T, CellularOne (East), CellularOne
>>(West) [they use this network only for roaming purposes, the sell CDMA
>>service to their own customrs, but their roaming revenue often exceeds
>>revenue from their own subscribers].
>>
>>What do you think about GSM vs TDMA vs CDMA vs iDEN vs AMPS??
>>
>>AD
>>
>
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]

Larry W4CSC wrote:

> It's way past the time the FCC needs to start doing its job and
> CHOOSE, as they did with AMPS in the first place, a modulation scheme
> for digital cellular to use.
>
> Iden doesn't count. Nextel is a trunked radio provider offering
> telephone interconnect to its trunked radio customers. It was never a
> cellular phone, although it looks like one.
Thank you for clarifying that for people that think they are getting a
cell phone.
>
> I prefer AMPS, myself, and use a 3W bagphone with its FM transmitter
> giving me much more range, clarity and the ability to find a hot spot
> way out in the fringe by simply listening for minimum noise, something
> no digital system can do. The stupid Verizon commercial with the
> Japanese Taxi Driver trying to find a hotspot for the guy in the back
> is an excellent example. In intense multipath fading areas, I can
> still use my phone by moving it 3" in the appropriate direction until
> the noise disappears. Onstar uses AMPS because it works most
> everywhere, not just in the digital cities and interstate corridors
> between them.
A single technology in a single band. And coverage is great. What more
could you ask for?
>
> As FCC MANDATED they all use AMPS so that ANY phone would work on ANY
> system in ANY area.....FCC needs, again, to MANDATE a single digital
> modulation scheme forcing them to stop this proprietary, churn
> prevention bull**** locking customers to systems to prevent them from
> finding the best carrier that suits their needs. Digital is about
> CHURNING.
And Europe did this. Most of the carriers there want to deploy 1xRTT.
US:
TDMA
GSM
CDMA
and TDMA is going away.
WCDMA is coming, but there are spectrum issues with that.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:59:48 -0500, About Dakota
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>I know there was a post on this two months ago in alt.cellular.gsm, but
>>I thought I'd open it up to a few more people.
>>
>>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/59/31758.html
>>
>>The major GSM carriers in the United States are T-Mobile, Cingular, and
>>AT&T. The major CDMA carriers in the United States are Verizon
>>Wireless, CellularOne (West), ALLTel, and Sprint PCS. The Major TDMA
>>carriers in the US are Cingular, AT&T, CellularOne (East), CellularOne
>>(West) [they use this network only for roaming purposes, the sell CDMA
>>service to their own customrs, but their roaming revenue often exceeds
>>revenue from their own subscribers].
>>
>>What do you think about GSM vs TDMA vs CDMA vs iDEN vs AMPS??
>>
>>AD
>>
iDEN is a proprietary technology developed by Motorola. Motorola makes
all of the radios for them. Public safety officials hate them.
>
>
>
> Larry W4CSC
>
> 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
> gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
> conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
That's funny Larry!

1xRTT
1 1.25MHz CDMA channel - Radio ??(transmitter?)

Peter Pan wrote:

> Just out of curiosity, what the heck IS 1rxtt? I Though it was 1xrtt? I keep
> seeing people that reverse the r and the x, which is it? and what does it
> mean? It's hard enough to keep track of one acronym, let alone 2!
>
>
> "William Bray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>No. There is a second form of CDMA called WCDMA which will be sharing
>>the spotlight with EDGE as a base for GSM. This has nothing to do with
>>CDMA with its 1rxtt base. That form CDMA will go to a 3rxtt (so much
>>for my tech knowledge). As far as CDMA versus GSM both of them stand
>>toe to toe. Any statements of one winning over the other is competition
>>claims- not the facts.
>>
>
>
>

CDMA 2000 is included with 1xr and will be part of 2xr. I do not know
how it will fair when version 3 comes out.

[email protected]am (Chris Russell) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> Don't forget about CDMA 2000.
>
> --
> Chris
>
> Please respond on Usenet or Phonescoop.com
>
>
> [email protected] (William Bray) wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> > No. There is a second form of CDMA called WCDMA which will be sharing
> > the spotlight with EDGE as a base for GSM. This has nothing to do with
> > CDMA with its 1rxtt base. That form CDMA will go to a 3rxtt (so much
> > for my tech knowledge). As far as CDMA versus GSM both of them stand
> > toe to toe. Any statements of one winning over the other is competition
> > claims- not the facts.
> >
> > About Dakota <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > <[email protected]>:
> > > I know there was a post on this two months ago in alt.cellular.gsm, but
> > > I thought I'd open it up to a few more people.
> > >
> > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/59/31758.html
> > >
> > > The major GSM carriers in the United States are T-Mobile, Cingular, and
> > > AT&T. The major CDMA carriers in the United States are Verizon
> > > Wireless, CellularOne (West), ALLTel, and Sprint PCS. The Major TDMA
> > > carriers in the US are Cingular, AT&T, CellularOne (East), CellularOne
> > > (West) [they use this network only for roaming purposes, the sell CDMA
> > > service to their own customrs, but their roaming revenue often exceeds
> > > revenue from their own subscribers].
> > >
> > > What do you think about GSM vs TDMA vs CDMA vs iDEN vs AMPS??
> > >
> > > AD
> > >
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com]
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]

[posted via phonescoop.com]

3x is not compatible. But it is the future of CDMA. This is kind of
like the wonder over who redefined 3G. 3x is not and never will be 3G
but it will be as close to it as possible. Most of the changes being
made, or planned for are data transmission issues and have little to do
with voice capacity. VZW is intent on making their wireless comparable
with DSL. They will stick with their CDMA while upgrading certain
features.
Like AMPS users on TDMA systems many folks with older style CDMA phones
will be expected to upgrade their phones. 2X will be backward
compatible with 1x. 3X is the end product meant to be comparable to
UMT.
WCDMA for GSM will lead directly to UTM. UTM is the current end product
of GSM. Not that any of this technical stuff will matter in the long
run. All of this stuff will be outdated before it is implemented for
the general public.

"*&ntvu-88rr<\+@~eK#5<<;;<ii2mF39MjSA2" <-88rr<\+@~eK#5<<;;<ii2mF39MjSA2
wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> William Bray wrote:
>
> > No. There is a second form of CDMA called WCDMA which will be sharing
> > the spotlight with EDGE as a base for GSM. This has nothing to do with
> > CDMA with its 1rxtt base. That form CDMA will go to a 3rxtt (so much
> > for my tech knowledge). As far as CDMA versus GSM both of them stand
> > toe to toe. Any statements of one winning over the other is competition
> > claims- not the facts.
> 3xRTT is CDMA with 3 channels instead of 1. CDMA takes up 1.25MHz with
> the guardbands and WCDMA/UMTS takes up 5MHz with guardbands. Both will
> be completely incompatible with each other due to major differences.The
> core network is supposedly different too.
> >
> > About Dakota <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > <[email protected]>:
> >
> >>I know there was a post on this two months ago in alt.cellular.gsm, but
> >>I thought I'd open it up to a few more people.
> >>
> >>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/59/31758.html
> >>
> >>The major GSM carriers in the United States are T-Mobile, Cingular, and
> >>AT&T. The major CDMA carriers in the United States are Verizon
> >>Wireless, CellularOne (West), ALLTel, and Sprint PCS. The Major TDMA
> >>carriers in the US are Cingular, AT&T, CellularOne (East), CellularOne
> >>(West) [they use this network only for roaming purposes, the sell CDMA
> >>service to their own customrs, but their roaming revenue often exceeds
> >>revenue from their own subscribers].
> >>
> >>What do you think about GSM vs TDMA vs CDMA vs iDEN vs AMPS??
> >>
> >>AD
> >>
> >
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com]
>

[posted via phonescoop.com]

Its UMTS, not UTM

WCDMA, UMTS, and 3GSM all mean the same thing!

--
Thanx,

N W


[email protected] (William Bray) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> 3x is not compatible. But it is the future of CDMA. This is kind of
> like the wonder over who redefined 3G. 3x is not and never will be 3G
> but it will be as close to it as possible. Most of the changes being
> made, or planned for are data transmission issues and have little to do
> with voice capacity. VZW is intent on making their wireless comparable
> with DSL. They will stick with their CDMA while upgrading certain
> features.
> Like AMPS users on TDMA systems many folks with older style CDMA phones
> will be expected to upgrade their phones. 2X will be backward
> compatible with 1x. 3X is the end product meant to be comparable to
> UMT.
> WCDMA for GSM will lead directly to UTM. UTM is the current end product
> of GSM. Not that any of this technical stuff will matter in the long
> run. All of this stuff will be outdated before it is implemented for
> the general public.
>
> "*&ntvu-88rr<\+@~eK#5<<;;<ii2mF39MjSA2" <-88rr<\+@~eK#5<<;;<ii2mF39MjSA2
> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> > William Bray wrote:
> >
> > > No. There is a second form of CDMA called WCDMA which will be sharing
> > > the spotlight with EDGE as a base for GSM. This has nothing to do with
> > > CDMA with its 1rxtt base. That form CDMA will go to a 3rxtt (so much
> > > for my tech knowledge). As far as CDMA versus GSM both of them stand
> > > toe to toe. Any statements of one winning over the other is competition
> > > claims- not the facts.
> > 3xRTT is CDMA with 3 channels instead of 1. CDMA takes up 1.25MHz with
> > the guardbands and WCDMA/UMTS takes up 5MHz with guardbands. Both will
> > be completely incompatible with each other due to major differences.The
> > core network is supposedly different too.
> > >
> > > About Dakota <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > > <[email protected]>:
> > >
> > >>I know there was a post on this two months ago in alt.cellular.gsm, but
> > >>I thought I'd open it up to a few more people.
> > >>
> > >>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/59/31758.html
> > >>
> > >>The major GSM carriers in the United States are T-Mobile, Cingular, and
> > >>AT&T. The major CDMA carriers in the United States are Verizon
> > >>Wireless, CellularOne (West), ALLTel, and Sprint PCS. The Major TDMA
> > >>carriers in the US are Cingular, AT&T, CellularOne (East), CellularOne
> > >>(West) [they use this network only for roaming purposes, the sell CDMA
> > >>service to their own customrs, but their roaming revenue often exceeds
> > >>revenue from their own subscribers].
> > >>
> > >>What do you think about GSM vs TDMA vs CDMA vs iDEN vs AMPS??
> > >>
> > >>AD
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > [posted via phonescoop.com]
> >
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]

[posted via phonescoop.com]

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:30:20 -0700, "Peter Pan"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Just out of curiosity, what the heck IS 1rxtt? I Though it was 1xrtt?

It's 1xrtt. It's no news that people revers letters. How many posts
have I seen with GMS when they intended GSM. How many posts do you
see with people not using the correct word and don't know the
difference between to, two and too or you're and your or its and it's?
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frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl
mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do
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Group Special Mobile wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:30:20 -0700, "Peter Pan"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Just out of curiosity, what the heck IS 1rxtt? I Though it was 1xrtt?
>
>
> It's 1xrtt. It's no news that people revers letters. How many posts
> have I seen with GMS when they intended GSM. How many posts do you
> see with people not using the correct word and don't know the
> difference between to, two and too or you're and your or its and it's?
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> To send an email reply send to
> GSMthemobilestandard ( yahoo.com