Making internt content PCS phone friendly

Dear PCS Vision users:

If you like to extend the scope of
internet content reachable through
your PCS phones, a free service is
available at (through your phone browser):

http://www.jennerresearch.com

It scales down existing internet
content to its essential parts and
present to form factor constrained devices
in a friendly manner. Large content will be
automatically split into hierarchically linked,
according to its original design, and properly
sized pages for easy access with minimum
scrolling. Oversized image will be made
available individually as a separate link.
(e.g (16K) is a link to the original 16K pixel
size image).

Sprint SCP phones, PocketPC, and Palm Tungsten are
currently supported.

Your comments and feedbacks are very
welcome so the service could be further
improved !!

Thanks and happy surfing !!

Vincent

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[email protected] says...
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> Dear PCS Vision users:
>=20
> If you like to extend the scope of
> internet content reachable through
> your PCS phones, a free service is=20
> available at (through your phone browser):
>=20
> http://www.jennerresearch.com
>=20
> It scales down existing internet
> content to its essential parts and=20
> present to form factor constrained devices
> in a friendly manner. Large content will be
> automatically split into hierarchically linked,=20
> according to its original design, and properly
> sized pages for easy access with minimum
> scrolling. Oversized image will be made
> available individually as a separate link.=20
> (e.g (16K) is a link to the original 16K pixel
> size image).
>=20
> Sprint SCP phones, PocketPC, and Palm Tungsten are=20
> currently supported.=20
>=20
> Your comments and feedbacks are very
> welcome so the service could be further
> improved !!
>=20
> Thanks and happy surfing !!
>=20
> Vincent
>=20

Interesting service. We already provide that, but it's interesting=20
nonetheless.


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O/Siris wrote:
>
>
> Interesting service. We already provide that, but it's interesting
> nonetheless.
>
>

Where in Vision does sprint do that. When I use go to URL alot of pages
won't pull up.

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DItalianSalami <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> O/Siris wrote:
> >
> >
> > Interesting service. We already provide that, but it's interesting
> > nonetheless.
> >
> >
>
> Where in Vision does sprint do that. When I use go to URL alot of pages
> won't pull up.
>
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> -DItalianSalami
> -Remove Spamsux from Email to Respond
>

There's a server trying to do that every time you try to pull up an
HTML-formatted page.

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I *don't* speak for them

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O/Siris . wrote:

> DItalianSalami <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
>> O/Siris wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Interesting service. We already provide that, but it's interesting
>> > nonetheless.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Where in Vision does sprint do that. When I use go to URL alot of pages
>> won't pull up.
>>
>> --
>> -DItalianSalami
>> -Remove Spamsux from Email to Respond
>>
>
> There's a server trying to do that every time you try to pull up an
> HTML-formatted page.
>

Hmmm. I use PCS via a vision card and the only difference I see is
compressed images in html protocol only. I have to go through the dns
servers via an encrypted tunnel to a transparent proxy just to bypass this
aesthetical eyesore! This nice gesture from Sprint PCS is just enough to
piss off those using vision to connect to the internet. What genius figured
out cost savings in bandwidth per ten years to justify this to the bottom
line? Do they also reformat pages to make them useable to phone displays or
is the image compression all there is? You used to be able to turn off
compression with the old software which I would guess you used to have a
particular port on the dns servers to get uncompressed images or another
dns server address altogether. Without using the proxy, https does not have
this problem as you are also tunneling through the dns via encryption so
why do it at all? The speed of the PCS backbone is fast enough now we
should not need this. I did a comparison of image sizes and there was not
enough of a size difference to make the horrible aliasing and color
mutation artifacts worth it. Who do I talk to to urge them to lose this
abomination? At least only compress for phones and not for laptop pc
computers as many have large displays and yes, these are being used an Mac
Widescreen Powerbooks as well as PC's themselves via a card reader. BTW,
does anyone know if Verizon does this as well?


Dave

"David W. Studeman" <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> O/Siris . wrote:
>
> > DItalianSalami <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > <[email protected]>:
> >> O/Siris wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Interesting service. We already provide that, but it's interesting
> >> > nonetheless.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Where in Vision does sprint do that. When I use go to URL alot of pages
> >> won't pull up.
> >>
> >> --
> >> -DItalianSalami
> >> -Remove Spamsux from Email to Respond
> >>
> >
> > There's a server trying to do that every time you try to pull up an
> > HTML-formatted page.
> >
>
> Hmmm. I use PCS via a vision card and the only difference I see is
> compressed images in html protocol only. I have to go through the dns
> servers via an encrypted tunnel to a transparent proxy just to bypass this
> aesthetical eyesore! This nice gesture from Sprint PCS is just enough to
> piss off those using vision to connect to the internet. What genius figured
> out cost savings in bandwidth per ten years to justify this to the bottom
> line? Do they also reformat pages to make them useable to phone displays or
> is the image compression all there is? You used to be able to turn off
> compression with the old software which I would guess you used to have a
> particular port on the dns servers to get uncompressed images or another
> dns server address altogether. Without using the proxy, https does not have
> this problem as you are also tunneling through the dns via encryption so
> why do it at all? The speed of the PCS backbone is fast enough now we
> should not need this. I did a comparison of image sizes and there was not
> enough of a size difference to make the horrible aliasing and color
> mutation artifacts worth it. Who do I talk to to urge them to lose this
> abomination? At least only compress for phones and not for laptop pc
> computers as many have large displays and yes, these are being used an Mac
> Widescreen Powerbooks as well as PC's themselves via a card reader. BTW,
> does anyone know if Verizon does this as well?
>
>
> Dave

Those are details we in Tech Support are not given. If I find an answer
for you, I'll post it here.

Since I'm not a Tier 2 PC Support specialist, I've never had the chance
to actually use a data card and see how it works on the screen. I'll
try to find out, though.

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O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

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O/Siris . wrote:

> "David W. Studeman" <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
>> O/Siris . wrote:
>>
>> > DItalianSalami <[email protected]> wrote in article
>> > <[email protected]>:
>> >> O/Siris wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Interesting service. We already provide that, but it's interesting
>> >> > nonetheless.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Where in Vision does sprint do that. When I use go to URL alot of
>> >> pages won't pull up.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> -DItalianSalami
>> >> -Remove Spamsux from Email to Respond
>> >>
>> >
>> > There's a server trying to do that every time you try to pull up an
>> > HTML-formatted page.
>> >
>>
>> Hmmm. I use PCS via a vision card and the only difference I see is
>> compressed images in html protocol only. I have to go through the dns
>> servers via an encrypted tunnel to a transparent proxy just to bypass
>> this
>> aesthetical eyesore! This nice gesture from Sprint PCS is just enough to
>> piss off those using vision to connect to the internet. What genius
>> figured out cost savings in bandwidth per ten years to justify this to
>> the bottom line? Do they also reformat pages to make them useable to
>> phone displays or is the image compression all there is? You used to be
>> able to turn off compression with the old software which I would guess
>> you used to have a particular port on the dns servers to get uncompressed
>> images or another dns server address altogether. Without using the proxy,
>> https does not have this problem as you are also tunneling through the
>> dns via encryption so why do it at all? The speed of the PCS backbone is
>> fast enough now we should not need this. I did a comparison of image
>> sizes and there was not enough of a size difference to make the horrible
>> aliasing and color mutation artifacts worth it. Who do I talk to to urge
>> them to lose this abomination? At least only compress for phones and not
>> for laptop pc computers as many have large displays and yes, these are
>> being used an Mac Widescreen Powerbooks as well as PC's themselves via a
>> card reader. BTW, does anyone know if Verizon does this as well?
>>
>>
>> Dave
>
> Those are details we in Tech Support are not given. If I find an answer
> for you, I'll post it here.
>
> Since I'm not a Tier 2 PC Support specialist, I've never had the chance
> to actually use a data card and see how it works on the screen. I'll
> try to find out, though.
>


Ok, fair enough. You mainly deal with the Phone side of it I see. Other than
the issue of whether or not to use a usb dongle with a Vision enabled
phone, in some of the places I gathered information to make it work on
Linux, I saw people using the exact same methods only via usb, not pcmcia.
The scripts are the same as far as using # 777 or PPP as it would be on a
telephone keypad and all that. The main thing with a Vision PC card is that
you are supposed to use it with data whereas the Phones being used as same
are in question and I think it sounds like a don't ask don't tell scenario
unless really abused. My plan is different than theirs but if you can log
in via ppp over the pcs network, the function is the same. BTW, I did get
an unlimited account while they were still available. It works fairly well
but it does not stream media very well, not even at one third my throughput
capability. Downloading files, I can get a steady 133kbs for minutes at a
time unless I have a really weak signal. I hope they are successful in
deploying wifi which would work better if you are close to a hotspot. At
least with PCS, I'm confident that 98% of where I usually am, I can get a
connection with PCS so at least I can use the web and exchange email, chat
and so on. It sounds like a PCS vision account's credentials will be used
to log in via wifi (802.11b mainly) but it will not allow you to be logged
in via CDMA and WiFi at the same time. If sure it will be called part of
PCS as PCS is a trade name that does not actually describe whether it is
CDMA or not. I'm guessing it means Personal Communication Service or
something? Only a wild guess.
Well, thanks for anything you can find out and post if you have the time.




Dave

In article <[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
> Ok, fair enough. You mainly deal with the Phone side of it I see. Other t=
han
> the issue of whether or not to use a usb dongle with a Vision enabled
> phone, in some of the places I gathered information to make it work on
> Linux, I saw people using the exact same methods only via usb, not pcmcia=
..
> The scripts are the same as far as using # 777 or PPP as it would be on a
> telephone keypad and all that.=20

That is how I understand it, also. It's basically PPP to a special=20
number accessible only via the SPCS cellular network.

> The main thing with a Vision PC card is that
> you are supposed to use it with data whereas the Phones being used as sam=
e
> are in question and I think it sounds like a don't ask don't tell scenari=
o
> unless really abused.

That appears to be the attitude I see. Every instance I've encountered=20
of phone users hit for abuse are pretty obvious. Well beyond 1GB. =20
Nothing that I'd consider borderline.

> My plan is different than theirs but if you can log
> in via ppp over the pcs network, the function is the same. BTW, I did get
> an unlimited account while they were still available. It works fairly wel=
l
> but it does not stream media very well, not even at one third my throughp=
ut
> capability. Downloading files, I can get a steady 133kbs for minutes at a
> time unless I have a really weak signal.=20

That matches the feedback I've heard in the calls I've taken. Seems=20
like most of our users, though, aren't interested in streaming media. =20
Truckers, looking to remotely access carrier intranets or extranets to=20
find and sign up for loads. I'd say 80% or more of the calls I've had=20
on data cards are for that kind of user.

> I hope they are successful in
> deploying wifi which would work better if you are close to a hotspot. At
> least with PCS, I'm confident that 98% of where I usually am, I can get a
> connection with PCS so at least I can use the web and exchange email, cha=
t
> and so on. It sounds like a PCS vision account's credentials will be used
> to log in via wifi (802.11b mainly) but it will not allow you to be logge=
d
> in via CDMA and WiFi at the same time.=20

Nope, they'll be two different services. As We state in our press=20
release:

http://144.226.116.29/PR/CDA/PR_CDA_...0,3681,1111795
,00.html
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"One of the key differentiators of the new Sprint service is the PCS=20
Connection ManagerSM Software with Wi-Fi, which makes PCS Wi-Fi Access=20
simple, convenient and easy to use. The software essentially enables=20
customers to travel across the country, detect compatible Wi-Fi ZONES=20
and quickly connect to the Internet or their company networks on their=20
laptops. Customers can download the software for free online at=20
www.sprint.com/pcsbusiness. Customers will need a laptop computer with a=20
compatible 802.11b wireless Internet card inserted or a laptop embedded=20
with 802.11b technology. CD-ROMs will soon be available in Sprint Stores=20
and through select Sprint business channels.=20

"Customers can subscribe to PCS Wi-Fi Access by setting up an account at=20
www.wifi.sprintpcs.com with a major credit card. In the next phase of=20
the service, Sprint will integrate usage charges into the customers'=20
monthly wireless statement. Non-existing PCS customers will continue to=20
receive charges on their credit card. Once the software is installed and=20
the user has established an account, the software automatically detects=20
available Wi-Fi ZONES compatible with the Sprint service. If detected,=20
customers simply click "Go" to connect."
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So it will entail independent billing.

> If sure it will be called part of
> PCS as PCS is a trade name that does not actually describe whether it is
> CDMA or not. I'm guessing it means Personal Communication Service or
> something? Only a wild guess.=20
> Well, thanks for anything you can find out and post if you have the time=
..

PCS is a trade name, but it also has a specific meaning that Wi-Fi won't=20
access, and so Wi-Fi won't apply to it. Your guess is close enough for=20
government work, so to speak. But Wi-Fi is not CDMA. It's as different=20
from CDMA as, for example, FM is from AM. They provide the same kind of=20
service, but in ways different enough that they are incompatible.

I talked to some of the Tier 2 PC Support reps in my call center, and=20
they tell me CTRL+F5 is pretty much it, *at least* for now. There was,=20
apparently, work on this at one time, but something held it up, the=20
details of which never filtered down to them. End result, no way within=20
Vision or the PCS Connection Manager software to bypass the compression.

Oh, and yes, that compression is indeed an effort to render images in a=20
way that the PCS phones *might* be able to display them. I remember you=20
asking last time, and I'm not sure I addressed that.

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O/Siris
I work for SprintPCS
I *don't* speak for them.