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  1. #16
    Bob Smith
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    Re: House Votes to Reinstate the "DO NOT CALL" Bill


    "boe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    newslRcb.431999$Oz4.236150@rwcrnsc54...
    > Thanks for posting their names. I bet if someone were to post their

    phone
    > numbers and e-mail addresses a lot of people would let them know if

    they
    > agreed with them.

    <snipped>

    If one wants to, they can get that information via
    http://www.house.gov/

    Bob





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  2. #17
    Stuart Friedman
    Guest

    Re: House Votes to Reinstate the "DO NOT CALL" Bill

    Doesn't matter, a Federal District Judge in Colorado tossed the law on First
    Amendment grounds yesterday afternoon. This will be a much harder fix for
    Congress because the judge's problem with the law was that it exempt
    political and charitable fund raisers from the prohibition, thus
    discriminating against speech based on content. Congress will need to cut
    off their own political fundraising and be willing to vote against organized
    religion to pass a new law which passes constitutional scrutiny. I HATE
    telemarketers, but I think that the judge has a point and I fear that her
    ruling will be upheld on appeal.

    Stu

    "Justin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "Peter Pan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > > "PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > Well that didnt take too long folks!
    > > > >
    > > > > THE HOUSE VOTED 412-8 after less than hour of debate.
    > > >
    > > > Anyone know who those 8 people that voted against it are, and even

    > > better,
    > > > how about their home telephone numbers so we can call em with our

    > > free
    > > > evening minutes and interrupt them when eating/sleeping etc?

    > >
    > > Ask and ye shall receive ... from the following web article -
    > > http://apnews.myway.com//article/200...D7TPJDJ81.html
    > >
    > > The eight who voted against the bill were: Ron Paul, R-Texas; Jeff
    > > Flake, R-Ariz.; Kendrick Meek, D-Fla.; Tim Ryan, D-Ohio; Ted
    > > Strickland, D-Ohio; Lee Terry, R-Neb.; Rob Bishop, R-Utah, and Chris
    > > Cannon, R-Utah.
    > >
    > > Bob

    >
    >
    > Wonder who was paying them.
    >
    >






  3. #18
    Larry Turner
    Guest

    Re: House Votes to Reinstate the "DO NOT CALL" Bill

    LOL! Peter.

    I actually have co-workers who TALK on their phones in the bathroom....

    --
    LARRY TURNER
    "Peter Pan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "DevilsPGD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > In message <<[email protected]>> "Thomas T.
    > > Veldhouse" <[email protected]> did ramble:
    > >
    > > >In which case, you had better not call them after 9PM (or is it 8PM) in
    > > >their local time.

    > >
    > > Why not? I'll invest into a payphone call and offer to sell them a large
    > > bucket of steaming dog****.
    > >
    > > --
    > > If you've had half as much fun reading this as I've had writing it, I've

    > had twice as much fun as you.
    >
    > I don't see any reason why people can't call them after 9PM, after all the
    > people calling for donations to political people can call later. Don't you
    > think it's interesting that free nights usually start at 9PM? Just a
    > coincidence, or is it a conspiracy to interrupt us after we eat? I say all
    > of us that wake up at 3 AM to go to the bathroom should put a cell phone

    by
    > the toilet and call them in the middle of the night (and as I get older, I
    > wake up more often to go to the bathroom). Oh.. and don't forget to flush!
    >
    >
    >






  4. #19
    Peter Pan
    Guest

    Re: House Votes to Reinstate the "DO NOT CALL" Bill

    Excuse me Telemarketer lover, I have been wireless for 2 years now and
    CONSTANTLY get telemarketing calls on my cellphone. What's you cellphone
    number? I'll be glad to forward them to you so YOU can pay for incoming
    calls from salespeople. Pay a few bills for the connect time they waste and
    see if you change your mind!


    "Stuart Friedman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Doesn't matter, a Federal District Judge in Colorado tossed the law on

    First
    > Amendment grounds yesterday afternoon. This will be a much harder fix for
    > Congress because the judge's problem with the law was that it exempt
    > political and charitable fund raisers from the prohibition, thus
    > discriminating against speech based on content. Congress will need to cut
    > off their own political fundraising and be willing to vote against

    organized
    > religion to pass a new law which passes constitutional scrutiny. I HATE
    > telemarketers, but I think that the judge has a point and I fear that her
    > ruling will be upheld on appeal.
    >
    > Stu
    >
    > "Justin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > > "Peter Pan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > >
    > > > > "PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > Well that didnt take too long folks!
    > > > > >
    > > > > > THE HOUSE VOTED 412-8 after less than hour of debate.
    > > > >
    > > > > Anyone know who those 8 people that voted against it are, and even
    > > > better,
    > > > > how about their home telephone numbers so we can call em with our
    > > > free
    > > > > evening minutes and interrupt them when eating/sleeping etc?
    > > >
    > > > Ask and ye shall receive ... from the following web article -
    > > > http://apnews.myway.com//article/200...D7TPJDJ81.html
    > > >
    > > > The eight who voted against the bill were: Ron Paul, R-Texas; Jeff
    > > > Flake, R-Ariz.; Kendrick Meek, D-Fla.; Tim Ryan, D-Ohio; Ted
    > > > Strickland, D-Ohio; Lee Terry, R-Neb.; Rob Bishop, R-Utah, and Chris
    > > > Cannon, R-Utah.
    > > >
    > > > Bob

    > >
    > >
    > > Wonder who was paying them.
    > >
    > >

    >
    >






  5. #20
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Guest

    Re: House Votes to Reinstate the "DO NOT CALL" Bill


    "DevilsPGD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In message <<[email protected]>> "Thomas T.
    > Veldhouse" <[email protected]> did ramble:
    >
    > >In which case, you had better not call them after 9PM (or is it 8PM) in
    > >their local time.

    >
    > Why not? I'll invest into a payphone call and offer to sell them a large
    > bucket of steaming dog****.



    It is against the law to solicit via telephone after a certain time, which I
    believe to be 8PM or 9PM.

    Tom Veldhouse





  6. #21
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Guest

    Re: House Votes to Reinstate the "DO NOT CALL" Bill


    "Peter Pan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Excuse me Telemarketer lover, I have been wireless for 2 years now and
    > CONSTANTLY get telemarketing calls on my cellphone. What's you cellphone
    > number? I'll be glad to forward them to you so YOU can pay for incoming
    > calls from salespeople. Pay a few bills for the connect time they waste

    and
    > see if you change your mind!
    >


    Tell them it is illegal to spam a cellular phone or a fax machine and if
    they call you again they will be fined. Immediately call Verizon and have
    the minutes creditted back to you with a report of the call. Those calls
    WILL stop. I have used this method and I know longer receive any calls like
    that. When I buy anything, I always list my cell phone number in place of
    my home phone.

    Tom Veldhouse





  7. #22
    Peter Pan
    Guest

    Re: House Votes to Reinstate the "DO NOT CALL" Bill


    "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "DevilsPGD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > In message <<[email protected]>> "Thomas T.
    > > Veldhouse" <[email protected]> did ramble:
    > >
    > > >In which case, you had better not call them after 9PM (or is it 8PM) in
    > > >their local time.

    > >
    > > Why not? I'll invest into a payphone call and offer to sell them a large
    > > bucket of steaming dog****.

    >
    >
    > It is against the law to solicit via telephone after a certain time, which

    I
    > believe to be 8PM or 9PM.
    >
    > Tom Veldhouse
    >
    >


    So what's your point? Is it NOT illegal to call after a certain time and
    just *****? In that case, can he call from a payphone at 3 AM and say (not
    offer to sell You like **** so much, I'm gonna send you a free steaming
    bucket of dog****? Isn't the keyword here solicit versus just call and
    *****? Are there any laws against calling to complain at any time? Can we
    call the judge and just ***** ?





  8. #23
    Justin
    Guest

    Re: House Votes to Reinstate the "DO NOT CALL" Bill


    "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Peter Pan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Excuse me Telemarketer lover, I have been wireless for 2 years now and
    > > CONSTANTLY get telemarketing calls on my cellphone. What's you cellphone
    > > number? I'll be glad to forward them to you so YOU can pay for incoming
    > > calls from salespeople. Pay a few bills for the connect time they waste

    > and
    > > see if you change your mind!
    > >

    >
    > Tell them it is illegal to spam a cellular phone or a fax machine and if
    > they call you again they will be fined. Immediately call Verizon and have
    > the minutes creditted back to you with a report of the call. Those calls
    > WILL stop. I have used this method and I know longer receive any calls

    like
    > that. When I buy anything, I always list my cell phone number in place of
    > my home phone.
    >
    > Tom Veldhouse



    I just cancelled my land line. Except for the morons who keep calling for
    Caroline after I've told them that she's no longer the user of this phone
    number, I don't get near as many on my cell phone. I still get some,
    however.
    >






  9. #24
    Bob Smith
    Guest

    Re: House Votes to Reinstate the "DO NOT CALL" Bill


    "Justin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >

    <snipped>
    >
    > I just cancelled my land line. Except for the morons who keep

    calling for
    > Caroline after I've told them that she's no longer the user of this

    phone
    > number, I don't get near as many on my cell phone. I still get

    some,
    > however.


    What's really going to be a PITA is for those folks who transfer their
    landline numbers to a wireless provider ... .

    Bob





  10. #25
    Peter Pan
    Guest

    Re: House Votes to Reinstate the "DO NOT CALL" Bill


    "Justin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "Peter Pan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Excuse me Telemarketer lover, I have been wireless for 2 years now and
    > > > CONSTANTLY get telemarketing calls on my cellphone. What's you

    cellphone
    > > > number? I'll be glad to forward them to you so YOU can pay for

    incoming
    > > > calls from salespeople. Pay a few bills for the connect time they

    waste
    > > and
    > > > see if you change your mind!
    > > >

    > >
    > > Tell them it is illegal to spam a cellular phone or a fax machine and if
    > > they call you again they will be fined. Immediately call Verizon and

    have
    > > the minutes creditted back to you with a report of the call. Those

    calls
    > > WILL stop. I have used this method and I know longer receive any calls

    > like
    > > that. When I buy anything, I always list my cell phone number in place

    of
    > > my home phone.
    > >
    > > Tom Veldhouse

    >
    >
    > I just cancelled my land line. Except for the morons who keep calling for
    > Caroline after I've told them that she's no longer the user of this phone
    > number, I don't get near as many on my cell phone. I still get some,
    > however.
    > >

    >
    >


    My favorite was just last week. My cell phone is based in florida, and I was
    on a ship in Alaska going through the inland passage. My cell phone rang, I
    answered it, and it was a telemarfketer for a local business back in FL
    4000+ miles away!





  11. #26

    Re: House Votes to Reinstate the "DO NOT CALL" Bill

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Stuart Friedman wrote:

    > I despise telemarketers, but the law says that commercial speech is
    > protected.


    The constitutional right of free speech is a protection from United
    States government imposition only, not from individual US citizen or
    other non-government group imposition. Also, reasonable time and
    place restrictions can still be imposed by the government. Time
    and place restrictions have been found to be constitutional by the
    Supreme Court.

    - Dan



  12. #27

    Re: House Votes to Reinstate the "DO NOT CALL" Bill

    On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 02:34:19 GMT, "Carl." <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >
    >Probably a lot of different payments, but never overlook the likelyhood of
    >these 8 people just being dumbasses. Odds were good for at least 8
    >dumbasses out of a few hundred falling for the "free speech" argument.
    >


    I don't have a problem with the free speach thing but they are
    interfering in our lives with the constant phone calls. In Florida, it
    costs $10 per number to get on the states no call list (and if the
    telemarketer happens to be outside of Florida they don't even have to
    look at it). Why should I have to pay to not be bothered (when it's
    not enforced anyway). I was brought up that my freedom ended when it
    adversely affected someone else. This may not be 100% true all the
    time but it's a good measuring stick that's got me by this far.



  13. #28
    Peter Pan
    Guest

    Re: House Votes to Reinstate the "DO NOT CALL" Bill

    Gee, then according to your freedom of speech crap, it's unconstitutional to
    pass any laws about yelling FIRE in a crowded theater?

    Remind me to get a VCR or DVD player so I never have to go to theatres
    anymore.

    Note that the text of Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression.
    Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
    or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
    or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;
    or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the
    Government for a redress of grievances.

    it protects speech, but NOT DIALING!, and says NOTHING about having to
    listen to someone speaking, and says nothing about having to pay to listen
    to some telemarketer spew his(or her) crap.



    "Stuart Friedman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I despise telemarketers, but the law says that commercial speech is
    > protected. The First Amendment protects speech that many people hate.
    > Popular speech rarely needs constitutional protection. If you look at the
    > cases finding first amendment rights, you'll find that many of the people
    > wrapping themselves up in the constitution are not particularly likeable.
    >
    > Cellphones are different because you pay for the incoming calls. Perhaps
    > the trick would be to charge a fraction of a cent for each incoming call

    on
    > a landline in exchange for the right to block telemarketers.
    >
    >
    > Stu
    >
    > "Peter Pan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Excuse me Telemarketer lover, I have been wireless for 2 years now and
    > > CONSTANTLY get telemarketing calls on my cellphone. What's you cellphone
    > > number? I'll be glad to forward them to you so YOU can pay for incoming
    > > calls from salespeople. Pay a few bills for the connect time they waste

    > and
    > > see if you change your mind!
    > >
    > >
    > > "Stuart Friedman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Doesn't matter, a Federal District Judge in Colorado tossed the law on

    > > First
    > > > Amendment grounds yesterday afternoon. This will be a much harder fix

    > for
    > > > Congress because the judge's problem with the law was that it exempt
    > > > political and charitable fund raisers from the prohibition, thus
    > > > discriminating against speech based on content. Congress will need to

    > cut
    > > > off their own political fundraising and be willing to vote against

    > > organized
    > > > religion to pass a new law which passes constitutional scrutiny. I

    HATE
    > > > telemarketers, but I think that the judge has a point and I fear that

    > her
    > > > ruling will be upheld on appeal.
    > > >
    > > > Stu
    > > >
    > > > "Justin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > >
    > > > > "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "Peter Pan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > "PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > > > Well that didnt take too long folks!
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > THE HOUSE VOTED 412-8 after less than hour of debate.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Anyone know who those 8 people that voted against it are, and

    even
    > > > > > better,
    > > > > > > how about their home telephone numbers so we can call em with

    our
    > > > > > free
    > > > > > > evening minutes and interrupt them when eating/sleeping etc?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Ask and ye shall receive ... from the following web article -
    > > > > > http://apnews.myway.com//article/200...D7TPJDJ81.html
    > > > > >
    > > > > > The eight who voted against the bill were: Ron Paul, R-Texas; Jeff
    > > > > > Flake, R-Ariz.; Kendrick Meek, D-Fla.; Tim Ryan, D-Ohio; Ted
    > > > > > Strickland, D-Ohio; Lee Terry, R-Neb.; Rob Bishop, R-Utah, and

    Chris
    > > > > > Cannon, R-Utah.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Bob
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Wonder who was paying them.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >






  14. #29
    Mark Allread
    Guest

    Re: House Votes to Reinstate the "DO NOT CALL" Bill

    On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 02:34:58 GMT, Stuart Friedman <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Cellphones are different because you pay for the incoming calls. Perhaps
    > the trick would be to charge a fraction of a cent for each incoming call
    > on
    > a landline in exchange for the right to block telemarketers.


    You get your landline service for free? I have to pay for mine. It's a
    monthly
    rate, but I'm paying for it. Every second the phone is unavailable because
    a
    telemarketer is tying up the line is a second the service I'm paying for is
    unavailable to me. That is theft of service, as their calls are unwanted,
    something I make quite clear each time one calls.

    You're clearly confused. A right isn't something you can purchase. A right
    isn't
    something you have to pay to exercise. A right simply exists. Just as
    commercials
    have a right to pitch their wares, I have a right to not listen to them.
    Both of
    these are considered "free speech."

    --
    Mark



  15. #30
    Stuart Friedman
    Guest

    Re: House Votes to Reinstate the "DO NOT CALL" Bill

    First Amendment 101. The Government is permitted to pass content nuetral
    limitations on free speech such as reasonable time, place, and manner
    restrictions. Where Government gets itself in trouble is that where it
    targets a particular message. That is why a government can ban all signs
    from city hall lawns, but if it permits private individuals to post certain
    generally inoffensive messages there (e.g. Jewish stars, Christmas trees,
    yellow ribbons, etc), it must also permit the more offensive messages to go
    on those lawns, (e.g. swastikas, klan symbols, etc). Calling after 9pm is
    a reasonable time, place, and manner restriction. Limiting door-to-door
    solicitors to certain time periods is content nuetral. Requirement permits
    using content nuetral criteria is ok). The problems comes in when Government
    targets certain messages. Maintaining a national do not call list is
    content nuetral. It is the exceptions to the list that got the government
    into trouble.

    Stu

    "Peter Pan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "DevilsPGD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > In message <<[email protected]>> "Thomas T.
    > > > Veldhouse" <[email protected]> did ramble:
    > > >
    > > > >In which case, you had better not call them after 9PM (or is it 8PM)

    in
    > > > >their local time.
    > > >
    > > > Why not? I'll invest into a payphone call and offer to sell them a

    large
    > > > bucket of steaming dog****.

    > >
    > >
    > > It is against the law to solicit via telephone after a certain time,

    which
    > I
    > > believe to be 8PM or 9PM.
    > >
    > > Tom Veldhouse
    > >
    > >

    >
    > So what's your point? Is it NOT illegal to call after a certain time and
    > just *****? In that case, can he call from a payphone at 3 AM and say (not
    > offer to sell You like **** so much, I'm gonna send you a free steaming
    > bucket of dog****? Isn't the keyword here solicit versus just call and
    > *****? Are there any laws against calling to complain at any time? Can we
    > call the judge and just ***** ?
    >
    >






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