Eur: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Thomas Zielinski) wrote:

> I once ran the numbers... no way... cellular radiation is a few
> orders of magnitude too small to break even among the weakest chemical
> bonds in the human body... (much less cause DNA damage thus
> cancer...) RF heating from the milliwatt levels of a handheld phone
> is ridiculous as well...
>
> I did some research for a psuedo-science project (actually a seminar
> for physicists), and could not find a shred of credible evidence to
> support ANY negative health effects caused by cell phones...
>
> It's purely unfounded paranoia compounded by the media's idiotic
> portrayals.. and as far as I can determine has already cost US tax
> payers millions of research dollars. (If I remember correctly,
> there's a department somewhere invetigating this and powerline
> radiation. . . sheesh... idiots...)
>
> That's the end of the debate as far as I'm concerned. grab a modern
> physics textbook and a basic bio book... run the numbers... it'll
> take like 3 min if you know what you're doing. convince yourself.
>
>
> -Tom


Denial from the Sprint apologists who obfuscate and distort the study by
a disinterested Government group.


3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache

likely worse over the long term. Would you stick your head in a
microwave oven?

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Phillipe2004 <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Thomas Zielinski) wrote:
>
> > I once ran the numbers... no way... cellular radiation is a few
> > orders of magnitude too small to break even among the weakest chemical
> > bonds in the human body... (much less cause DNA damage thus
> > cancer...) RF heating from the milliwatt levels of a handheld phone
> > is ridiculous as well...
> >
> > I did some research for a psuedo-science project (actually a seminar
> > for physicists), and could not find a shred of credible evidence to
> > support ANY negative health effects caused by cell phones...
> >
> > It's purely unfounded paranoia compounded by the media's idiotic
> > portrayals.. and as far as I can determine has already cost US tax
> > payers millions of research dollars. (If I remember correctly,
> > there's a department somewhere invetigating this and powerline
> > radiation. . . sheesh... idiots...)
> >
> > That's the end of the debate as far as I'm concerned. grab a modern
> > physics textbook and a basic bio book... run the numbers... it'll
> > take like 3 min if you know what you're doing. convince yourself.
> >
> >
> > -Tom
>
>
> Denial from the Sprint apologists who obfuscate and distort the study by
> a disinterested Government group.
>
>
> 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache
>
> likely worse over the long term. Would you stick your head in a
> microwave oven?

Here is something related to that...total nonsense!

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WiFi Network News is reporting that a school district has been sued for
planning a WiFi network, because parents say that the WiFi networks emit
harmful electro-magnetic radiation. The lawsuit claims that there is a
"substantial body of evidence" that WiFi emits harmful EMR - though,
this seems
to be the first most people have heard of such evidence.

==============================================================================
IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF COOK COUNTY, ILLINOIS
COUNTY DEPARTMENT, CHANCERY DIVISION
Rachel and Rebecca Baiman, John Davis, and
Jonah and Maya Cabral, by their Fathers
and next Friends, individually and on behalf
of all other people similarly situated,
Plaintiffs,
v.
Oak Park Elementary School District 97,
John C. Fagan, Dan Burke, Adekunle
Onayemi, Marcia Frank, Sharon Patchak-
Layman, Carolyn Newberry Schwartz,
Michelle Harton and Bob Walsh,
Defendants.

Case No.
Judge

CLASS ACTION COMPLAINT

Plaintiffs, Rachel and Rebecca Baiman, John Davis, and Jonah and Maya
Cabral, by
their
Fathers and next Friends, individually, and on behalf of all others
similarly
situated, by their
attorneys, Buehler Reed & Williams, complain of Defendants Oak Park
Elementary
School
District 97, John C. Fagan, Dan Burke, Adekunle Onayemi, Marcia Frank,
Sharon
Patchak-
Layman, Carolyn Newberry Schwartz, Michelle Harton and Bob Walsh, as
follows:

NATURE OF THE CASE

1. Plaintiffs are all minors and residents of Oak Park Illinois, all of
whom
attend
school in the Oak Park Elementary School District 97. District 97 serves
the Oak
Park
community by providing elementary school education to thousands of
students in
eight schools
serving Kindergarten through Fifth Grade students and in two middle
schools for
Sixth through
Eighth grade students. Plaintiffs bring this action because District 97,
its
Board, and its
Superintendent have recently implemented wireless local area network
technology
in
the
classrooms. Specifically, the Defendants have installed wireless
networks in
each
of the school
buildings under its jurisdiction. In so doing, the Defendants have
ignored the
substantial body of
evidence that high frequency electro-magnetic radiation poses
substantial and
serious health risks,
particularly to growing children. The Defendants have thereby breached
their
duties of care to
the children of District 97.

2. Venue is proper in this Court pursuant to 735 ILCS 5/101. All of the
Defendants

are residents of this county, and all of the acts giving rise to this
cause of
action occurred in this
county.

PARTIES

3. Plaintiffs are all minor children enrolled in the District 97 School
System
and
they
are all residents of Oak Park, Illinois.

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> Denial from the Sprint apologists who obfuscate and distort the study by
> a disinterested Government group.
>
>
> 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache
>
> likely worse over the long term. Would you stick your head in a
> microwave oven?


Have you ever noticed the door has to be closed before the oven will
go on... it's probably to protect the type of twits that do these
cellular studies.

My questions is do you know how a microwave works, or are you just
running your mouth off on a newsgroup? Let me point you towards the
crucial difference. Compare the few milliwatt power output of a phone
to the HUNDREDS (of) WATT output from a Microwave! Even then, the
energy of each individual photon is not ionizing nor anywhere nearly
strong enough to break a wimpy hydrogen bond. High wattage microwaves
cause RF heating ("molecular friction" caused by rotation of
dipoles... namely water) and the resulting thermal buildup is what
does the trick as far as cooking food goes. Your phone exhibits this
effect on a ultra teensy tiny scale, nowhere near enough to do any
damage to human tissue (any excess heat (negligeable) is promptly and
efficiently shuttled out by your extensive vascular network)

The ONLY instance in which I have heard of RF radiation in this range
causing damage was if you LOOKED at a DIRECTIONAL AMPLIFIED 2.4GHz
beam (aplified Wifi with a cantenna, for instance). Your eye has a
lot less net blood flow to deal with the heat buildup.

BELIEVE ME! I'm really 100% OK with you not using a cell phone
because you believe some pseudo-scientists who write a paper once in a
while, and a media that goes crazy over such things... but please
don't waste millions of this countries tax dollars on such quackery!

-Tom

PS. you should also avoid the sun... I can guarantee you that it's
much more dangerous than any cellular phone yet to be made by man!

What really hurts is that the relevant members of society
(Judges/Juries/Lawyers, etc.) are very ill equipped to pick out the
psuedo-science from the real science.

-Tom




[email protected] (Mark F) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> WiFi Network News is reporting that a school district has been sued for
> planning a WiFi network, because parents say that the WiFi networks emit
> harmful electro-magnetic radiation. The lawsuit claims that there is a
> "substantial body of evidence" that WiFi emits harmful EMR - though,
> this seems
> to be the first most people have heard of such evidence.

Quark <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Al Klein wrote:
> Medical College of Wisconsin - General Clinical Research Center
>
> http://www.mcw.edu/gcrc/cop.html
>
> I found this site when selling my home. We had high tension wires in our
> back yard. One lady actually asked me if anyone on our street had gotten
> cancer. The power lines were atleast 300' from the house.
>
> I felt like saying, yea, there's a guy down the street with an arm
> growing out of his neck. I printed out the power line section and put it
> on the table next to the information pamphlet.
>
> Our real estate agent told us a story of someone else who had the same
> problem. They had the power company come out with a magnetic field
> detector and walk around there house. Guess were the highest magnetic
> field was. 4' or less from the TV set. Were most kids sit and watch the
> thing.
>
> Read and learn.


I once did those numbers too... the Earth's natural magnetic field
SWAMPS the magnetic field induced by even the highest tension power
lines..

Why don't people stop to consider these things before believing such
foolishness...

-Tom

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Thomas Zielinski) wrote:

> What really hurts is that the relevant members of society
> (Judges/Juries/Lawyers, etc.) are very ill equipped to pick out the
> psuedo-science from the real science.
>
> -Tom
>

This was a double blind scientific study. Sounds good to me.

Pseudo science is "SprintPCS is getting better"

The apologists are now apologizing for microwaves in general.

This is somewhat off subject but this reminds me of a funny story I
read... There was an article written as a joke in a small towns local
newspaper that there was this extremely harmful chemical that had been
showing up HOH... (better known as H20 or water.) The whole town took
it for truth and started freaking out. It's just kind of funny, if
everyone avoided everything that the studies told us to avoid we would
live in a white padded room with nothing to eat or drink.

[email protected] (Thomas Zielinski) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> What really hurts is that the relevant members of society
> (Judges/Juries/Lawyers, etc.) are very ill equipped to pick out the
> psuedo-science from the real science.
>
> -Tom
>
>
>
>
> [email protected] (Mark F) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > WiFi Network News is reporting that a school district has been sued for
> > planning a WiFi network, because parents say that the WiFi networks emit
> > harmful electro-magnetic radiation. The lawsuit claims that there is a
> > "substantial body of evidence" that WiFi emits harmful EMR - though,
> > this seems
> > to be the first most people have heard of such evidence.

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Camile Cardenas wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Thomas Zielinski) wrote:
>
>> What really hurts is that the relevant members of society
>> (Judges/Juries/Lawyers, etc.) are very ill equipped to pick out the
>> psuedo-science from the real science.
>>
>> -Tom
>>
>
> This was a double blind scientific study. Sounds good to me.
>
> Pseudo science is "SprintPCS is getting better"


I thought you sounded familiar.
<plonk>

Specifically, the story was about di-hydrogen monoxide.
Scary stuff, no?
It actually can kill people!
---JRC---

"3G Geek" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
news:[email protected]...
> This is somewhat off subject but this reminds me of a funny story I
> read... There was an article written as a joke in a small towns local
> newspaper that there was this extremely harmful chemical that had been
> showing up HOH... (better known as H20 or water.) The whole town took
> it for truth and started freaking out. It's just kind of funny, if
> everyone avoided everything that the studies told us to avoid we would
> live in a white padded room with nothing to eat or drink.
>=20

Camile Cardenas <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<cccardenas-
> This was a double blind scientific study. Sounds good to me.


Want to buy a bridge?

Your standards for acceptance are rather low... (ie. you are convinced
very easily).

Have you seen the original published report? Or did you just read
Yahoo's/Reuter's watered down take on it? Is it peer reviewed? Where
is this article published? Respectable researchers/Publication?


Most likely the article was written by someone (an english major) way
underqualified who just read the abstract of some draft of the study
and perhaps a few selected sentences in the conclusion that supported
his thesis statement. I've done a fair amount of comparison on these
types of "articles" with the original published documents for a class
project a while back. The things that reporters get away with
"reporting" to the public on science are absurd!

What is worse is that in my research, there was a band of "scientists"
that kept popping up everywhere... They were doing such studies,
getting positive results, and causing a rukus. Their work was shabby,
ill-founded, interpretted with extreme prejudice, and full of gaping
holes. In short, their work was the laughing stock of the scientific
community, and not accepted by any reputable journals nor peers, but
repeatedly receieved renewed funding (cha ching!!!!). It was double
blind... it was done by people in lab coats. it was written about,
and given credibility by almost every major news agency out there!
but it was still very bad science. I can look up the references for
you if you really really need them.

If you've taken a high school science class, you know how easy it is
to make ANY data look ANY way you want it to!

-Tom

Camile Cardenas <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> The apologists are now apologizing for microwaves in general.

You just say that cuz you didn't understand my post... sorry about
that... I'll have to limit the number of syllabels per word, i
suppose.

-Tom

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 02:20:25 -0400, Quark <[email protected]> posted in
alt.cellular.verizon:


>Our real estate agent told us a story of someone else who had the same
>problem. They had the power company come out with a magnetic field
>detector and walk around there house. Guess were the highest magnetic
>field was. 4' or less from the TV set. Were most kids sit and watch the
>thing.

>Read and learn.

There's also a bit of X-Radiation (yup - X-Rays) coming from the front
of most color TVs.

On 7 Oct 2003 08:06:31 -0700, [email protected] (Thomas Zielinski)
posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

>I once did those numbers too... the Earth's natural magnetic field
>SWAMPS the magnetic field induced by even the highest tension power
>lines..

>Why don't people stop to consider these things before believing such
>foolishness...

Because science, even the simplest science, is a mystery to most
people.

"Al Klein" wrote:

> Because science, even the simplest science, is a mystery to
> most people.

Arthur C Clark once noted that science and technology are
indistinguishable from magic to those who don't understand them.

John