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  1. #31
    Thomas Zielinski
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    Re: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    Yeah... drowning... severe steam burns... floods... dihydrogen
    monoxide (or HOH) is pretty damn serious if you ask me! We should
    spend more money studying it... in double blind studies... by people
    in lab coats... the media would love that.. the people would
    believe...

    What a circus... Science education standards in this country are
    extremely poor, to say the least.

    -Tom



    "John R. Copeland" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Specifically, the story was about di-hydrogen monoxide.
    > Scary stuff, no?
    > It actually can kill people!
    > ---JRC---
    >
    > "3G Geek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > This is somewhat off subject but this reminds me of a funny story I
    > > read... There was an article written as a joke in a small towns local
    > > newspaper that there was this extremely harmful chemical that had been
    > > showing up HOH... (better known as H20 or water.) The whole town took
    > > it for truth and started freaking out. It's just kind of funny, if
    > > everyone avoided everything that the studies told us to avoid we would
    > > live in a white padded room with nothing to eat or drink.
    > >




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  2. #32
    RDT
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    Re: Eur: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    In article <[email protected]>,
    John Henderson <[email protected]> wrote:
    >"Al Klein" wrote:
    >> Because science, even the simplest science, is a mystery to
    >> most people.

    >Arthur C Clark once noted that science and technology are
    >indistinguishable from magic to those who don't understand them.


    Not quite. It was something more like any sufficiently developed
    technology is indistinguishable from magic.

    RDT
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    "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the
    inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."
    --- Sir Winston Churchill




  3. #33
    Quark
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    Re: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    Thomas Zielinski wrote:
    > Yeah... drowning... severe steam burns... floods... dihydrogen
    > monoxide (or HOH) is pretty damn serious if you ask me! We should
    > spend more money studying it... in double blind studies... by people
    > in lab coats... the media would love that.. the people would
    > believe...
    >
    > What a circus... Science education standards in this country are
    > extremely poor, to say the least.
    >
    > -Tom


    And so are government standards for handing out millions for stupid
    studies that prove nothing. Except fill the pockets of the people who
    get the money to do these type of things.

    I should try to get a grant to see if sticking raisons up my nose causes
    cancer

    Hamburgers cooked on a grill cause cancer.
    Wait now it doesn't cause cancer.

    Eggs are bad for you.
    Wait now there not.

    etc. etc. etc.....




  4. #34
    Al Klein
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    Re: Eur: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:28:37 +1000, "John Henderson"
    <[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >"Al Klein" wrote:


    >> Because science, even the simplest science, is a mystery to
    >> most people.


    >Arthur C Clark once noted that science and technology are
    >indistinguishable from magic to those who don't understand them.


    Exactly. And everyday science is sufficiently advanced to be magic to
    most.



  5. #35
    Al Klein
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    Re: Eur: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    On 8 Oct 2003 14:13:52 -0400, [email protected] ("RDT") posted in
    alt.cellular.verizon:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    >John Henderson <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>"Al Klein" wrote:


    >>> Because science, even the simplest science, is a mystery to
    >>> most people.

    >>Arthur C Clark once noted that science and technology are
    >>indistinguishable from magic to those who don't understand them.


    > Not quite. It was something more like any sufficiently developed
    >technology is indistinguishable from magic.


    "Any science, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from magic."

    The corollary being:

    "Any science distinguishable from magic isn't sufficiently advanced."



  6. #36
    John Michael Williams
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    Re: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    Whytoi <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<011020031307517477%[email protected]>...
    > In article <Mjqeb.640414$YN5.490491@sccrnsc01>, Hopper
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > X-No-Archive:Yes
    > >
    > > <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > If true the implications for the 2.1 GHz band are not good...
    > > >
    > > > http://tinyurl.com/p873

    > >
    > > The thing that pisses me off about news stories of this kind are the
    > > complete lack of reference to any information about the study, short it
    > > involving the Netherlands.
    > >
    > > Where was this report published? Where can a person find the original
    > > report? What was the title?
    > >
    > > There's just too many questions. Like what sampling did they do? What level
    > > of significance? What was the test method? These can only be answered by the
    > > original report, not halfassed Reuters reporting.

    >


    You can download a PDF of the study at http://www.tno.nl/en/news/article_6265.html

    The first few pages are a Dutch summary, but the rest is English.

    It was a double-blind study done by I think physicists and
    electrical engineers. Their degrees are given, but not
    the courses they studied in school; I doubt they studied
    WCDMA effects on humans in school, so I don't think their
    schoolwork matters (except that they passed, of course).

    The pulse heights were 1 V/m, which is very low. Cell
    phones produce hundreds of V/m at the head. Assuming a
    5000 V/m transmitter and square-law nondirectionality,
    at 1 m the height would be about 400 V/m. I don't know
    much about PCS base stations, so I am pretty much guessing
    at the 5000 V/m.

    Anyway, adding a little directionality, the pulse E fields
    would be comparable to those at about 20 m (65 ft) from
    the antenna.

    John
    [email protected]
    John Michael Williams



  7. #37
    John Michael Williams
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    Re: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    OOPS! Correction below:

    [email protected] (John Michael Williams) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Whytoi <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<011020031307517477%[email protected]>...
    > > In article <Mjqeb.640414$YN5.490491@sccrnsc01>, Hopper
    > > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > > X-No-Archive:Yes
    > > >
    > > > <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > If true the implications for the 2.1 GHz band are not good...
    > > > >
    > > > > http://tinyurl.com/p873
    > > >
    > > > The thing that pisses me off about news stories of this kind are the
    > > > complete lack of reference to any information about the study, short it
    > > > involving the Netherlands.
    > > >
    > > > Where was this report published? Where can a person find the original
    > > > report? What was the title?
    > > >
    > > > There's just too many questions. Like what sampling did they do? What level
    > > > of significance? What was the test method? These can only be answered by the
    > > > original report, not halfassed Reuters reporting.

    > >

    >
    > You can download a PDF of the study at http://www.tno.nl/en/news/article_6265.html
    >
    > The first few pages are a Dutch summary, but the rest is English.
    >
    > It was a double-blind study done by I think physicists and
    > electrical engineers. Their degrees are given, but not
    > the courses they studied in school; I doubt they studied
    > WCDMA effects on humans in school, so I don't think their
    > schoolwork matters (except that they passed, of course).
    >
    > The pulse heights were 1 V/m, which is very low. Cell
    > phones produce hundreds of V/m at the head. Assuming a
    > 5000 V/m transmitter and square-law nondirectionality,
    > at 1 m the height would be about 400 V/m. I don't know
    > much about PCS base stations, so I am pretty much guessing
    > at the 5000 V/m.


    I usually work with power (watts/cm^2) rather than voltage.
    I used the wrong approach to calculate voltage at a distance:
    Voltage V of the EM field drops off as 1/r, not 1/r^2; the
    square applies when the power (~V^2/Z) is relevant.

    Let's try it again:

    Broadcasting at 100 W, the field at 1 m would be
    about 100/(4*Pi*r^2) or about 8 W/m^2. The impedance of
    free space is Z = 377 ohms, so V^2/377 = 8, making
    V = about 55 V/m.

    So, with a PCS transmitter at 100 W, the Dutch study would be
    at about the same level as would be found over 50 m from the PCS
    transmitter.

    This is quite a long distance and should raise some considerable
    concern.

    A 1000 W transmitter would produce the same effect as the Dutch
    study out to about 180 m, and a 10 W transmitter out to less
    than 20 m, which was about what I got the wrong way above.

    John
    [email protected]
    John Michael Williams

    >
    > Anyway, adding a little directionality, the pulse E fields
    > would be comparable to those at about 20 m (65 ft) from
    > the antenna.
    >
    > John
    > [email protected]
    > John Michael Williams




  8. #38
    RDT
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    Re: Eur: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Al Klein <[email protected]> wrote:
    >On 8 Oct 2003 14:13:52 -0400, [email protected] ("RDT") posted in
    >alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    >>In article <[email protected]>,
    >>John Henderson <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>"Al Klein" wrote:

    >
    >>>> Because science, even the simplest science, is a mystery to
    >>>> most people.
    >>>Arthur C Clark once noted that science and technology are
    >>>indistinguishable from magic to those who don't understand them.

    >> Not quite. It was something more like any sufficiently developed
    >>technology is indistinguishable from magic.

    >"Any science, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from magic."


    Nope, but close. Here is the correct quote, within one word of what
    I remembered:

    "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
    -- Arthur C. Clarke. "Technology and the Future". Report on Planet
    Three, 1972

    RDT

    --
    "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the
    inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."
    --- Sir Winston Churchill




  9. #39
    Al Klein
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    Re: Eur: 3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache -Study

    On 13 Oct 2003 15:20:17 -0400, [email protected] ("RDT") posted in
    alt.cellular.verizon:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    >Al Klein <[email protected]> wrote:


    >>"Any science, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from magic."


    > Nope, but close. Here is the correct quote, within one word of what
    >I remembered:


    >"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
    > -- Arthur C. Clarke. "Technology and the Future". Report on Planet
    > Three, 1972


    I was quoting, IIRC, Don Martin's quip on Clarke's statement.



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