news:Wireless Carriers Want to Give The "411" on 411-YOURS!

10-07-2003, 04:57 PM

WASHINGTON DC
The Washington Post reports that Wireless Carriers are attempting to put
together a list of wireless numbers in a 411 directory as soon as next year.
"In an initiative that is testing the balance between convenience and
privacy, the nation's major wireless carriers are teaming up to put together
a directory of wireless phone numbers that would allow customers to call 411
and connect to mobile phones, not just phones that plug into a wall. "
For links to this story and more http://wirelessway.blogspot.com

OMAHA NEBRASKA- WIRELESS PHONE EXPLODES-MANUFACTURER INVESTIGATES
Wireless phones have become a way of life for many people but one of those
phones knocked one woman for a loop over the weekend.
Tina McChristian's granddaughter was full of smiles on Monday but her family
had a real scare the day before.
Tina says, "I really thought my car was on fire because there was that much
smoke."

For these stories and more http://wirelessway.blogspot.com

10-07-2003, 05:32 PM

In article <9DudnTfhHOYaph6iU-KYgg@comcast.com>,
"PDA Man" <pda@man.com> wrote:

> OMAHA NEBRASKA- WIRELESS PHONE EXPLODES-MANUFACTURER INVESTIGATES
> Wireless phones have become a way of life for many people but one of those
> phones knocked one woman for a loop over the weekend.
> Tina McChristian's granddaughter was full of smiles on Monday but her family
> had a real scare the day before.
> Tina says, "I really thought my car was on fire because there was that much
> smoke."
>
> For these stories and more http://wirelessway.blogspot.com

There's one a month in the news. Usually from an overcharged battery
that has overheated.

10-07-2003, 06:53 PM

Well I don't know about the blown up cell phone story, but the 411 thing
is very real, and very serious threat to folks who like their privacy.
This gives telemarketers access to those numbers. Can you imagine
having to pay incoming minutes because a sales-man called?

"PDA Man" <pda@man.com> wrote in article
<9DudnTfhHOYaph6iU-KYgg@comcast.com>:
> WASHINGTON DC
> The Washington Post reports that Wireless Carriers are attempting to put
> together a list of wireless numbers in a 411 directory as soon as next year.
> "In an initiative that is testing the balance between convenience and
> privacy, the nation's major wireless carriers are teaming up to put together
> a directory of wireless phone numbers that would allow customers to call 411
> and connect to mobile phones, not just phones that plug into a wall. "
> For links to this story and more http://wirelessway.blogspot.com
>
>
> OMAHA NEBRASKA- WIRELESS PHONE EXPLODES-MANUFACTURER INVESTIGATES
> Wireless phones have become a way of life for many people but one of those
> phones knocked one woman for a loop over the weekend.
> Tina McChristian's granddaughter was full of smiles on Monday but her family
> had a real scare the day before.
> Tina says, "I really thought my car was on fire because there was that much
> smoke."
>
> For these stories and more http://wirelessway.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

[posted via phonescoop.com]

10-07-2003, 07:45 PM

Heck no, I will cancel my cell service.

J

"PDA Man" <pda@man.com> wrote in message
news:9DudnTfhHOYaph6iU-KYgg@comcast.com...
> WASHINGTON DC
> The Washington Post reports that Wireless Carriers are attempting to put
> together a list of wireless numbers in a 411 directory as soon as next
year.
> "In an initiative that is testing the balance between convenience and
> privacy, the nation's major wireless carriers are teaming up to put
together
> a directory of wireless phone numbers that would allow customers to call
411
> and connect to mobile phones, not just phones that plug into a wall. "
> For links to this story and more http://wirelessway.blogspot.com
>
>
> OMAHA NEBRASKA- WIRELESS PHONE EXPLODES-MANUFACTURER INVESTIGATES
> Wireless phones have become a way of life for many people but one of those
> phones knocked one woman for a loop over the weekend.
> Tina McChristian's granddaughter was full of smiles on Monday but her
family
> had a real scare the day before.
> Tina says, "I really thought my car was on fire because there was that
much
> smoke."
>
> For these stories and more http://wirelessway.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

10-07-2003, 08:02 PM

In article <vo6kgbs431qk3f@corp.supernews.com>,
William Bray <wmbray@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Well I don't know about the blown up cell phone story, but the 411 thing
>is very real, and very serious threat to folks who like their privacy.
>This gives telemarketers access to those numbers. Can you imagine
>having to pay incoming minutes because a sales-man called?

In pre-caller-id days, many carriers (like GTE Wireless) provided
first-incoming-minute-free, so you could take the call and hang up
without being charged. Now we have Caller-ID, but unfortunately,
cell phones (in the US anyway) don't receive caller-name info, showing
names only for entries in your phone's phonebook. If telemarketers
were required to provide correct caller-id, and the cell phones would
display it, that would deal with the incoming minutes issue, but wouldn't
deal with the annoyance of getting a call in the first place.

10-07-2003, 08:43 PM

William Bray wrote:
> *Well I don't know about the blown up cell phone story, but the 411
> thing
> is very real, and very serious threat to folks who like their
> privacy.
> This gives telemarketers access to those numbers. Can you imagine
> having to pay incoming minutes because a sales-man called?
>
> *

Its against the federal law to cold call a cel phone, unless you have
"prior' dealings with that company and gave them your cel phone #.

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10-07-2003, 08:51 PM

"CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
news:blvno01t9e@enews3.newsguy.com...
> In article <vo6kgbs431qk3f@corp.supernews.com>,
> William Bray <wmbray@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Well I don't know about the blown up cell phone story, but the 411 thing
> >is very real, and very serious threat to folks who like their privacy.
> >This gives telemarketers access to those numbers. Can you imagine
> >having to pay incoming minutes because a sales-man called?
>
> In pre-caller-id days, many carriers (like GTE Wireless) provided
> first-incoming-minute-free, so you could take the call and hang up
> without being charged. Now we have Caller-ID, but unfortunately,
> cell phones (in the US anyway) don't receive caller-name info, showing
> names only for entries in your phone's phonebook. If telemarketers
> were required to provide correct caller-id, and the cell phones would
> display it, that would deal with the incoming minutes issue, but wouldn't
> deal with the annoyance of getting a call in the first place.

I don't even want the call made. Why should I have to check my phone 12
times each day to see a telemarketer calling? I hope those crappy
businesses go under for good.

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10-07-2003, 09:45 PM

That law has nothing to do with generating a phone directory. The
alleged purpose of the directory is because folks with landlines often
loose cell phone numbers and have no way to look up the number to call
you back. This project is already quoting a $ 3 billion price tag.
Anyone can add your name and number in. Once the phone directory exists
then Telemarketers are free to make calls, just like they do on land
line directories. It is no longer unlisted.

Sucks, doesn't it?

TechGeek <TechGeek.uyj92@in-val-id.com> wrote in article
<TechGeek.uyj92@in-val-id.com>:
>
> William Bray wrote:
> > *Well I don't know about the blown up cell phone story, but the 411
> > thing
> > is very real, and very serious threat to folks who like their
> > privacy.
> > This gives telemarketers access to those numbers. Can you imagine
> > having to pay incoming minutes because a sales-man called?
> >
> > *
>
> Its against the federal law to cold call a cel phone, unless you have
> "prior' dealings with that company and gave them your cel phone #.
>
> --
> Posted at SprintUsers.com - Your place for everything Sprint PCS
> Free wireless access @ www.SprintUsers.com/wap
>

[posted via phonescoop.com]

10-07-2003, 11:15 PM

In article <w6Jgb.3592$Eo2.2649
@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
jfigueredo@NOSPAMexcite.com says...
> Heck no, I will cancel my cell service.
>
> J
>
>
> "PDA Man" <pda@man.com> wrote in message
> news:9DudnTfhHOYaph6iU-KYgg@comcast.com...
> > WASHINGTON DC
> > The Washington Post reports that Wireless Carriers are attempting to put
> > together a list of wireless numbers in a 411 directory as soon as next
> year.
> > "In an initiative that is testing the balance between convenience and
> > privacy, the nation's major wireless carriers are teaming up to put
> together
> > a directory of wireless phone numbers that would allow customers to call
> 411
> > and connect to mobile phones, not just phones that plug into a wall. "
> > For links to this story and more http://wirelessway.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> > OMAHA NEBRASKA- WIRELESS PHONE EXPLODES-MANUFACTURER INVESTIGATES
> > Wireless phones have become a way of life for many people but one of those
> > phones knocked one woman for a loop over the weekend.
> > Tina McChristian's granddaughter was full of smiles on Monday but her
> family
> > had a real scare the day before.
> > Tina says, "I really thought my car was on fire because there was that
> much
> > smoke."
> >
> > For these stories and more http://wirelessway.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
What about "unlisted numbers"? I have my home landline
phone unlisted - why not cells?
--
Louise (louise2002@nyc.rr.com)

10-08-2003, 06:02 AM

That's the point, they will make two dollars more for virtually every
cellphone in the USA. If 411 is important, give people the option of
listing their cellphone number with regularly directory assistance. I
expect you could probably do it now, but it wouldn't be easy.

Stu
"Louise" <see signature> wrote in message
news:MPG.19ed59808e73b9989898ad@news.newsguy.com.. .
> In article <w6Jgb.3592$Eo2.2649
> @newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
> jfigueredo@NOSPAMexcite.com says...
> > Heck no, I will cancel my cell service.
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> > "PDA Man" <pda@man.com> wrote in message
> > news:9DudnTfhHOYaph6iU-KYgg@comcast.com...
> > > WASHINGTON DC
> > > The Washington Post reports that Wireless Carriers are attempting to
put
> > > together a list of wireless numbers in a 411 directory as soon as next
> > year.
> > > "In an initiative that is testing the balance between convenience and
> > > privacy, the nation's major wireless carriers are teaming up to put
> > together
> > > a directory of wireless phone numbers that would allow customers to
call
> > 411
> > > and connect to mobile phones, not just phones that plug into a wall. "
> > > For links to this story and more http://wirelessway.blogspot.com
> > >
> > >
> > > OMAHA NEBRASKA- WIRELESS PHONE EXPLODES-MANUFACTURER INVESTIGATES
> > > Wireless phones have become a way of life for many people but one of
those
> > > phones knocked one woman for a loop over the weekend.
> > > Tina McChristian's granddaughter was full of smiles on Monday but her
> > family
> > > had a real scare the day before.
> > > Tina says, "I really thought my car was on fire because there was that
> > much
> > > smoke."
> > >
> > > For these stories and more http://wirelessway.blogspot.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> What about "unlisted numbers"? I have my home landline
> phone unlisted - why not cells?
> --
> Louise (louise2002@nyc.rr.com)

10-08-2003, 06:37 AM

William Bray wrote:
> *That law has nothing to do with generating a phone directory. The
> alleged purpose of the directory is because folks with landlines
> often
> loose cell phone numbers and have no way to look up the number to
> call
> you back. This project is already quoting a $ 3 billion price tag.
> Anyone can add your name and number in. Once the phone directory
> exists
> then Telemarketers are free to make calls, just like they do on land
> line directories. It is no longer unlisted.
>
> Sucks, doesn't it?
>
> *

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/47/227.html

The law prohibits it.

>
> (1) Prohibitions
>
> It shall be unlawful for any person within the United States -
>
> (A)
>
> to make any call (other than a call made for emergency purposes or
> made with the prior express consent of the called party) using any
> automatic telephone dialing system or an artificial or prerecorded
> voice -
>
> (iii)
>
> to any telephone number assigned to a paging service, cellular
> telephone service, specialized mobile radio service, or other radio
> common carrier service, or any service for which the called party is
> charged for the call;
>
>

Not only that, I'm sure a court will grant in your favor if they're
wasting the minutes that you paid for.

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10-08-2003, 08:38 AM

In article <TechGeek.uzb10@in-val-id.com>,
TechGeek <TechGeek.uzb10@in-val-id.com> wrote:

>
> http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/47/227.html
>
> The law prohibits it.

Like the law prohibits selling used and reconditioned goods like new?

10-08-2003, 09:35 PM

From the information on the survey it was decided that folks would go
for the idea if they were allowed an out- paying to have your cell phone
number unlisted.
What is not clear is if the list will be complied first without your
consent. This seems to be what is planned. If it is done this way- too
bad. The person who pays for the list already has your number before
you got it deleted from future listings. And we all know what that
means.
Either way around this is a win-win situation for both the cell phone
providers and the telemarketers. As it is being introduced as being in
the interest of folks who simple lost your phone number then the door is
wide open.... Why would you not want your friends to be able to contact
you? They lost your number!
BS.

Louise <see signature> wrote in article
<MPG.19ed59808e73b9989898ad@news.newsguy.com>:
> In article <w6Jgb.3592$Eo2.2649
> @newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
> jfigueredo@NOSPAMexcite.com says...
> > Heck no, I will cancel my cell service.
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> > "PDA Man" <pda@man.com> wrote in message
> > news:9DudnTfhHOYaph6iU-KYgg@comcast.com...
> > > WASHINGTON DC
> > > The Washington Post reports that Wireless Carriers are attempting to put
> > > together a list of wireless numbers in a 411 directory as soon as next
> > year.
> > > "In an initiative that is testing the balance between convenience and
> > > privacy, the nation's major wireless carriers are teaming up to put
> > together
> > > a directory of wireless phone numbers that would allow customers to call
> > 411
> > > and connect to mobile phones, not just phones that plug into a wall. "
> > > For links to this story and more http://wirelessway.blogspot.com
> > >
> > >
> > > OMAHA NEBRASKA- WIRELESS PHONE EXPLODES-MANUFACTURER INVESTIGATES
> > > Wireless phones have become a way of life for many people but one of those
> > > phones knocked one woman for a loop over the weekend.
> > > Tina McChristian's granddaughter was full of smiles on Monday but her
> > family
> > > had a real scare the day before.
> > > Tina says, "I really thought my car was on fire because there was that
> > much
> > > smoke."
> > >
> > > For these stories and more http://wirelessway.blogspot.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> What about "unlisted numbers"? I have my home landline
> phone unlisted - why not cells?
> --
> Louise (louise2002@nyc.rr.com)

[posted via phonescoop.com]

10-09-2003, 11:10 AM

| Either way around this is a win-win situation for both the cell phone
| providers and the telemarketers. As it is being introduced as being in
| the interest of folks who simple lost your phone number then the door is
| wide open.... Why would you not want your friends to be able to contact
| you? They lost your number!
| BS.

Perhaps they lost it because they never had the number in the first
instance.

10-10-2003, 01:35 AM

wmbray@hotmail.com (William Bray) wrote in message news:<vo9ic5v75rm10@corp.supernews.com>...
> From the information on the survey it was decided that folks would go
> for the idea if they were allowed an out- paying to have your cell phone
> number unlisted.

Correct.

> What is not clear is if the list will be complied first without your
> consent. This seems to be what is planned. If it is done this way- too
> bad. The person who pays for the list already has your number before
> you got it deleted from future listings. And we all know what that
> means.

Incorrect- you will have the abiility to opt-out BEFORE the list is
compliled. What has not been decided is if the cell phone user
will have to proactively opt-out- i.e. will the user have to opt-out
of the list to be unlisted, or opt-in to be listed. Either way, you
aren't going to be listed unless you want to be.

Relax!

> Either way around this is a win-win situation for both the cell phone
> providers and the telemarketers. As it is being introduced as being in
> the interest of folks who simple lost your phone number then the door is
> wide open.... Why would you not want your friends to be able to contact
> you? They lost your number!
> BS.

The idea rates high with the youth crowd, who are the biggest growth
segment in the industry right now. All of us older curmudgeons who
want service already have service!