Do You Hear Me Now- PTT? Please, Someone Answer

If I get a PTT phone from Verizon, how long am I gonna have to wait to
actually find another human that has it so I can have someone to talk
to? Isn't it going to take years before a critical mass develops like
the one Nextel has? Also, all these contractors and suppliers that
use Nextel- why would one or a few make the switch to Verizon when
everyone else in their group is with Nextel? In other words, why would
I be the first contractor to switch to Verizon when virtually every
subcontractor and supplier all use Nextel and can't talk to me on PTT?
Until they move in mass it seems of little use to have Verizon PTT.
This just seems like a major barrier to the competitive success of the
Verizon PTT service. I realize Nextel national coverage is poor
compared to Verizon wireless service, but most of the people that use
Nextel (service people, contractors, their suppliers) all operate and
use the phones mostly for inherently local needs, not for traveling
outside of a local area. I am a Verizon customer and like its wireless
service very much. However, I do not see how its PTT service will be
successful or useful at all for many, many years. Tell me why I am
wrong in this assessment. I may well be and want opinions.

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On 8 Sep 2003 16:19:39 -0700, trimodeman@hotmail.com (TriModeMan)
wrote:

>If I get a PTT phone from Verizon, how long am I gonna have to wait to
>actually find another human that has it so I can have someone to talk
>to? Isn't it going to take years before a critical mass develops like
>the one Nextel has? Also, all these contractors and suppliers that
>use Nextel- why would one or a few make the switch to Verizon when
>everyone else in their group is with Nextel? In other words, why would
>I be the first contractor to switch to Verizon when virtually every
>subcontractor and supplier all use Nextel and can't talk to me on PTT?

Unless they start re-writing subcontractor contracts in Charleston,
SC, it's a moot point! My neighbor is an electrical subcontractor.
RIGHT IN HIS CONTRACT it says he MUST have a Nextel phone and provide
his group number in the space provided on the application form so the
other contractors can contact him.......

It's a no-brainer, here.....NEXTEL.

> Until they move in mass it seems of little use to have Verizon PTT.
>This just seems like a major barrier to the competitive success of the
>Verizon PTT service. I realize Nextel national coverage is poor
>compared to Verizon wireless service, but most of the people that use
>Nextel (service people, contractors, their suppliers) all operate and
>use the phones mostly for inherently local needs, not for traveling
>outside of a local area. I am a Verizon customer and like its wireless
>service very much. However, I do not see how its PTT service will be
>successful or useful at all for many, many years. Tell me why I am
>wrong in this assessment. I may well be and want opinions.

PTT was never meant as a CB walkie talkie. With the group numbers,
it's more like everyone on their own business band radio system, a
trunk radio system like Motorola and Nextel run. Everyone is
"unlisted"......well, not everyone. Also here we see a LOT of Nextel
group numbers painted on the side of service trucks right under their
company phone number! Nextel customers can walkie direct to all kinds
of plumbers, electricians, general contractors right off the number on
the trucks!

VZW has a long, arduous road ahead of them...........


Larry

Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
You can tell because they never tried to contact us.

when i just got my new phone the manager of the store told me not to get a
ptt phone. he said 20 bucks a month more and who are you gonna use it with?
why not wait untill other people you know get it... very true and he was
being honest believe it or not.


"TriModeMan" <trimodeman@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b70b36a3.0309081519.1f2bdf7e@posting.google.com...
> If I get a PTT phone from Verizon, how long am I gonna have to wait to
> actually find another human that has it so I can have someone to talk
> to? Isn't it going to take years before a critical mass develops like
> the one Nextel has? Also, all these contractors and suppliers that
> use Nextel- why would one or a few make the switch to Verizon when
> everyone else in their group is with Nextel? In other words, why would
> I be the first contractor to switch to Verizon when virtually every
> subcontractor and supplier all use Nextel and can't talk to me on PTT?
> Until they move in mass it seems of little use to have Verizon PTT.
> This just seems like a major barrier to the competitive success of the
> Verizon PTT service. I realize Nextel national coverage is poor
> compared to Verizon wireless service, but most of the people that use
> Nextel (service people, contractors, their suppliers) all operate and
> use the phones mostly for inherently local needs, not for traveling
> outside of a local area. I am a Verizon customer and like its wireless
> service very much. However, I do not see how its PTT service will be
> successful or useful at all for many, many years. Tell me why I am
> wrong in this assessment. I may well be and want opinions.

Theoretically speaking, it's a good thing Alexander Graham Bell and John
Breckenridge never advocated that kind of sales philosophy. Practically
speaking, the problem with Verizon here is that they are a Johnny Come
Lately with substandard PTT technology.

"brian s." <deadhead73@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:dXydnV5z2PtIgMCiXTWJhA@comcast.com...
> when i just got my new phone the manager of the store told me not to get a
> ptt phone. he said 20 bucks a month more and who are you gonna use it
with?
> why not wait untill other people you know get it... very true and he was
> being honest believe it or not.
>
>
> "TriModeMan" <trimodeman@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b70b36a3.0309081519.1f2bdf7e@posting.google.com...
> > If I get a PTT phone from Verizon, how long am I gonna have to wait to
> > actually find another human that has it so I can have someone to talk
> > to? Isn't it going to take years before a critical mass develops like
> > the one Nextel has? Also, all these contractors and suppliers that
> > use Nextel- why would one or a few make the switch to Verizon when
> > everyone else in their group is with Nextel? In other words, why would
> > I be the first contractor to switch to Verizon when virtually every
> > subcontractor and supplier all use Nextel and can't talk to me on PTT?
> > Until they move in mass it seems of little use to have Verizon PTT.
> > This just seems like a major barrier to the competitive success of the
> > Verizon PTT service. I realize Nextel national coverage is poor
> > compared to Verizon wireless service, but most of the people that use
> > Nextel (service people, contractors, their suppliers) all operate and
> > use the phones mostly for inherently local needs, not for traveling
> > outside of a local area. I am a Verizon customer and like its wireless
> > service very much. However, I do not see how its PTT service will be
> > successful or useful at all for many, many years. Tell me why I am
> > wrong in this assessment. I may well be and want opinions.
>
>

"Kirk-O-Scottland" <kos@kosiam.not> wrote in message
news:vlqhj8ecmlpv0e@corp.supernews.com...
> Theoretically speaking, it's a good thing Alexander Graham Bell and John
> Breckenridge never advocated that kind of sales philosophy. Practically
> speaking, the problem with Verizon here is that they are a Johnny Come
> Lately with substandard PTT technology.
>

Since they're the first non-iDEN carrier to offer PTT, explain how the first
can be a Johnny Come Lately.

Hopper

Actually what i was very curious about is if with Verizons PTT service
you can PTT people on the Nextel Service. If you cant i think its a
stupid idea, since nextel dominates the market in PTT service. if you
can or you will be able to then i think its a good idea.


--
Bean Crock


nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
<3f5d147f.337458140@news.knology.net>:
> On 8 Sep 2003 16:19:39 -0700, trimodeman@hotmail.com (TriModeMan)
> wrote:
>
> >If I get a PTT phone from Verizon, how long am I gonna have to wait to
> >actually find another human that has it so I can have someone to talk
> >to? Isn't it going to take years before a critical mass develops like
> >the one Nextel has? Also, all these contractors and suppliers that
> >use Nextel- why would one or a few make the switch to Verizon when
> >everyone else in their group is with Nextel? In other words, why would
> >I be the first contractor to switch to Verizon when virtually every
> >subcontractor and supplier all use Nextel and can't talk to me on PTT?
>
> Unless they start re-writing subcontractor contracts in Charleston,
> SC, it's a moot point! My neighbor is an electrical subcontractor.
> RIGHT IN HIS CONTRACT it says he MUST have a Nextel phone and provide
> his group number in the space provided on the application form so the
> other contractors can contact him.......
>
> It's a no-brainer, here.....NEXTEL.
>
> > Until they move in mass it seems of little use to have Verizon PTT.
> >This just seems like a major barrier to the competitive success of the
> >Verizon PTT service. I realize Nextel national coverage is poor
> >compared to Verizon wireless service, but most of the people that use
> >Nextel (service people, contractors, their suppliers) all operate and
> >use the phones mostly for inherently local needs, not for traveling
> >outside of a local area. I am a Verizon customer and like its wireless
> >service very much. However, I do not see how its PTT service will be
> >successful or useful at all for many, many years. Tell me why I am
> >wrong in this assessment. I may well be and want opinions.
>
> PTT was never meant as a CB walkie talkie. With the group numbers,
> it's more like everyone on their own business band radio system, a
> trunk radio system like Motorola and Nextel run. Everyone is
> "unlisted"......well, not everyone. Also here we see a LOT of Nextel
> group numbers painted on the side of service trucks right under their
> company phone number! Nextel customers can walkie direct to all kinds
> of plumbers, electricians, general contractors right off the number on
> the trucks!
>
> VZW has a long, arduous road ahead of them...........
>
>
> Larry
>
> Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
> You can tell because they never tried to contact us.

[posted via phonescoop.com]

I doubt that Verizon & Nextel's PTT services can be compatible. They
operate on entirely different systems. The whole point of Verizon
having PTT was to take subscribers away from Nextel and stop Verizon
subscribers from going to Nextel.

--
Cut the cord, go wireless!


Razukek@hotmail.com (Vash The Stampede) wrote in article
<vlrleedh68k562@corp.supernews.com>:
> Actually what i was very curious about is if with Verizons PTT service
> you can PTT people on the Nextel Service. If you cant i think its a
> stupid idea, since nextel dominates the market in PTT service. if you
> can or you will be able to then i think its a good idea.
>
>
> --
> Bean Crock
>
>
> nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
> <3f5d147f.337458140@news.knology.net>:
> > On 8 Sep 2003 16:19:39 -0700, trimodeman@hotmail.com (TriModeMan)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >If I get a PTT phone from Verizon, how long am I gonna have to wait to
> > >actually find another human that has it so I can have someone to talk
> > >to? Isn't it going to take years before a critical mass develops like
> > >the one Nextel has? Also, all these contractors and suppliers that
> > >use Nextel- why would one or a few make the switch to Verizon when
> > >everyone else in their group is with Nextel? In other words, why would
> > >I be the first contractor to switch to Verizon when virtually every
> > >subcontractor and supplier all use Nextel and can't talk to me on PTT?
> >
> > Unless they start re-writing subcontractor contracts in Charleston,
> > SC, it's a moot point! My neighbor is an electrical subcontractor.
> > RIGHT IN HIS CONTRACT it says he MUST have a Nextel phone and provide
> > his group number in the space provided on the application form so the
> > other contractors can contact him.......
> >
> > It's a no-brainer, here.....NEXTEL.
> >
> > > Until they move in mass it seems of little use to have Verizon PTT.
> > >This just seems like a major barrier to the competitive success of the
> > >Verizon PTT service. I realize Nextel national coverage is poor
> > >compared to Verizon wireless service, but most of the people that use
> > >Nextel (service people, contractors, their suppliers) all operate and
> > >use the phones mostly for inherently local needs, not for traveling
> > >outside of a local area. I am a Verizon customer and like its wireless
> > >service very much. However, I do not see how its PTT service will be
> > >successful or useful at all for many, many years. Tell me why I am
> > >wrong in this assessment. I may well be and want opinions.
> >
> > PTT was never meant as a CB walkie talkie. With the group numbers,
> > it's more like everyone on their own business band radio system, a
> > trunk radio system like Motorola and Nextel run. Everyone is
> > "unlisted"......well, not everyone. Also here we see a LOT of Nextel
> > group numbers painted on the side of service trucks right under their
> > company phone number! Nextel customers can walkie direct to all kinds
> > of plumbers, electricians, general contractors right off the number on
> > the trucks!
> >
> > VZW has a long, arduous road ahead of them...........
> >
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
> > You can tell because they never tried to contact us.
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]

[posted via phonescoop.com]

No you can't cross PTT from Verizon to NEXTEL. 2 totally different
technologies and no existing agreements to even entertain the idea.

Heck...you can't even IM from Yahoo to AOL so why should the cellphone
PTT industry be any different.

--
Mark


Razukek@hotmail.com (Vash The Stampede) wrote in article
<vlrleedh68k562@corp.supernews.com>:
> Actually what i was very curious about is if with Verizons PTT service
> you can PTT people on the Nextel Service. If you cant i think its a
> stupid idea, since nextel dominates the market in PTT service. if you
> can or you will be able to then i think its a good idea.
>
>
> --
> Bean Crock
>
>
> nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
> <3f5d147f.337458140@news.knology.net>:
> > On 8 Sep 2003 16:19:39 -0700, trimodeman@hotmail.com (TriModeMan)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >If I get a PTT phone from Verizon, how long am I gonna have to wait to
> > >actually find another human that has it so I can have someone to talk
> > >to? Isn't it going to take years before a critical mass develops like
> > >the one Nextel has? Also, all these contractors and suppliers that
> > >use Nextel- why would one or a few make the switch to Verizon when
> > >everyone else in their group is with Nextel? In other words, why would
> > >I be the first contractor to switch to Verizon when virtually every
> > >subcontractor and supplier all use Nextel and can't talk to me on PTT?
> >
> > Unless they start re-writing subcontractor contracts in Charleston,
> > SC, it's a moot point! My neighbor is an electrical subcontractor.
> > RIGHT IN HIS CONTRACT it says he MUST have a Nextel phone and provide
> > his group number in the space provided on the application form so the
> > other contractors can contact him.......
> >
> > It's a no-brainer, here.....NEXTEL.
> >
> > > Until they move in mass it seems of little use to have Verizon PTT.
> > >This just seems like a major barrier to the competitive success of the
> > >Verizon PTT service. I realize Nextel national coverage is poor
> > >compared to Verizon wireless service, but most of the people that use
> > >Nextel (service people, contractors, their suppliers) all operate and
> > >use the phones mostly for inherently local needs, not for traveling
> > >outside of a local area. I am a Verizon customer and like its wireless
> > >service very much. However, I do not see how its PTT service will be
> > >successful or useful at all for many, many years. Tell me why I am
> > >wrong in this assessment. I may well be and want opinions.
> >
> > PTT was never meant as a CB walkie talkie. With the group numbers,
> > it's more like everyone on their own business band radio system, a
> > trunk radio system like Motorola and Nextel run. Everyone is
> > "unlisted"......well, not everyone. Also here we see a LOT of Nextel
> > group numbers painted on the side of service trucks right under their
> > company phone number! Nextel customers can walkie direct to all kinds
> > of plumbers, electricians, general contractors right off the number on
> > the trucks!
> >
> > VZW has a long, arduous road ahead of them...........
> >
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
> > You can tell because they never tried to contact us.
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]

[posted via phonescoop.com]

it was just a question. sheesh. besides who cares about AIM and Yahoo
IM... their both crap.

--
Bean Crock


askme@askme.com (Mark F) wrote in article
<vlrmo1bkl1bj04@corp.supernews.com>:
> No you can't cross PTT from Verizon to NEXTEL. 2 totally different
> technologies and no existing agreements to even entertain the idea.
>
> Heck...you can't even IM from Yahoo to AOL so why should the cellphone
> PTT industry be any different.
>
> --
> Mark
>
>
> Razukek@hotmail.com (Vash The Stampede) wrote in article
> <vlrleedh68k562@corp.supernews.com>:
> > Actually what i was very curious about is if with Verizons PTT service
> > you can PTT people on the Nextel Service. If you cant i think its a
> > stupid idea, since nextel dominates the market in PTT service. if you
> > can or you will be able to then i think its a good idea.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bean Crock
> >
> >
> > nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
> > <3f5d147f.337458140@news.knology.net>:
> > > On 8 Sep 2003 16:19:39 -0700, trimodeman@hotmail.com (TriModeMan)
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >If I get a PTT phone from Verizon, how long am I gonna have to wait to
> > > >actually find another human that has it so I can have someone to talk
> > > >to? Isn't it going to take years before a critical mass develops like
> > > >the one Nextel has? Also, all these contractors and suppliers that
> > > >use Nextel- why would one or a few make the switch to Verizon when
> > > >everyone else in their group is with Nextel? In other words, why would
> > > >I be the first contractor to switch to Verizon when virtually every
> > > >subcontractor and supplier all use Nextel and can't talk to me on PTT?
> > >
> > > Unless they start re-writing subcontractor contracts in Charleston,
> > > SC, it's a moot point! My neighbor is an electrical subcontractor.
> > > RIGHT IN HIS CONTRACT it says he MUST have a Nextel phone and provide
> > > his group number in the space provided on the application form so the
> > > other contractors can contact him.......
> > >
> > > It's a no-brainer, here.....NEXTEL.
> > >
> > > > Until they move in mass it seems of little use to have Verizon PTT.
> > > >This just seems like a major barrier to the competitive success of the
> > > >Verizon PTT service. I realize Nextel national coverage is poor
> > > >compared to Verizon wireless service, but most of the people that use
> > > >Nextel (service people, contractors, their suppliers) all operate and
> > > >use the phones mostly for inherently local needs, not for traveling
> > > >outside of a local area. I am a Verizon customer and like its wireless
> > > >service very much. However, I do not see how its PTT service will be
> > > >successful or useful at all for many, many years. Tell me why I am
> > > >wrong in this assessment. I may well be and want opinions.
> > >
> > > PTT was never meant as a CB walkie talkie. With the group numbers,
> > > it's more like everyone on their own business band radio system, a
> > > trunk radio system like Motorola and Nextel run. Everyone is
> > > "unlisted"......well, not everyone. Also here we see a LOT of Nextel
> > > group numbers painted on the side of service trucks right under their
> > > company phone number! Nextel customers can walkie direct to all kinds
> > > of plumbers, electricians, general contractors right off the number on
> > > the trucks!
> > >
> > > VZW has a long, arduous road ahead of them...........
> > >
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > > Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
> > > You can tell because they never tried to contact us.
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com]
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]

[posted via phonescoop.com]

Verizon is starting the push to talk in the SMALL business segment..
therefore if a little startup company gets push to talk and they grow..
then maybe more employees will have to get it.. then maybe their
family.. and friends.. and eventually everyone.. also Verizon has 4
times the amount of customers as Nextel.. therefore if they converted
all their customers to PTT .. then there would be 4times the amount of
PTT VZW customers than Nextel
.. as far as the PTT numbers being on the side of trucks.. that is the
STUPIDEST thing i ever heard.. especially since verizon PTT number is
the SAME as the phone number.. makes it much easier than having to write
down 2 numbers...

just my 2 cents.. and yes I do work for Verizon.

--Mike

--
vzw... we never stop working for you!!



Razukek@hotmail.com (Vash The Stampede) wrote in article
<vls2he257go537@corp.supernews.com>:
> it was just a question. sheesh. besides who cares about AIM and Yahoo
> IM... their both crap.
>
> --
> Bean Crock
>
>
> askme@askme.com (Mark F) wrote in article
> <vlrmo1bkl1bj04@corp.supernews.com>:
> > No you can't cross PTT from Verizon to NEXTEL. 2 totally different
> > technologies and no existing agreements to even entertain the idea.
> >
> > Heck...you can't even IM from Yahoo to AOL so why should the cellphone
> > PTT industry be any different.
> >
> > --
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > Razukek@hotmail.com (Vash The Stampede) wrote in article
> > <vlrleedh68k562@corp.supernews.com>:
> > > Actually what i was very curious about is if with Verizons PTT service
> > > you can PTT people on the Nextel Service. If you cant i think its a
> > > stupid idea, since nextel dominates the market in PTT service. if you
> > > can or you will be able to then i think its a good idea.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bean Crock
> > >
> > >
> > > nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
> > > <3f5d147f.337458140@news.knology.net>:
> > > > On 8 Sep 2003 16:19:39 -0700, trimodeman@hotmail.com (TriModeMan)
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >If I get a PTT phone from Verizon, how long am I gonna have to wait to
> > > > >actually find another human that has it so I can have someone to talk
> > > > >to? Isn't it going to take years before a critical mass develops like
> > > > >the one Nextel has? Also, all these contractors and suppliers that
> > > > >use Nextel- why would one or a few make the switch to Verizon when
> > > > >everyone else in their group is with Nextel? In other words, why would
> > > > >I be the first contractor to switch to Verizon when virtually every
> > > > >subcontractor and supplier all use Nextel and can't talk to me on PTT?
> > > >
> > > > Unless they start re-writing subcontractor contracts in Charleston,
> > > > SC, it's a moot point! My neighbor is an electrical subcontractor.
> > > > RIGHT IN HIS CONTRACT it says he MUST have a Nextel phone and provide
> > > > his group number in the space provided on the application form so the
> > > > other contractors can contact him.......
> > > >
> > > > It's a no-brainer, here.....NEXTEL.
> > > >
> > > > > Until they move in mass it seems of little use to have Verizon PTT.
> > > > >This just seems like a major barrier to the competitive success of the
> > > > >Verizon PTT service. I realize Nextel national coverage is poor
> > > > >compared to Verizon wireless service, but most of the people that use
> > > > >Nextel (service people, contractors, their suppliers) all operate and
> > > > >use the phones mostly for inherently local needs, not for traveling
> > > > >outside of a local area. I am a Verizon customer and like its wireless
> > > > >service very much. However, I do not see how its PTT service will be
> > > > >successful or useful at all for many, many years. Tell me why I am
> > > > >wrong in this assessment. I may well be and want opinions.
> > > >
> > > > PTT was never meant as a CB walkie talkie. With the group numbers,
> > > > it's more like everyone on their own business band radio system, a
> > > > trunk radio system like Motorola and Nextel run. Everyone is
> > > > "unlisted"......well, not everyone. Also here we see a LOT of Nextel
> > > > group numbers painted on the side of service trucks right under their
> > > > company phone number! Nextel customers can walkie direct to all kinds
> > > > of plumbers, electricians, general contractors right off the number on
> > > > the trucks!
> > > >
> > > > VZW has a long, arduous road ahead of them...........
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Larry
> > > >
> > > > Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
> > > > You can tell because they never tried to contact us.
> > >
> > > [posted via phonescoop.com]
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com]
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]

[posted via phonescoop.com]