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Old 01-09-2004, 03:49 PM   #1
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Cellular License Maps complete for the lower 48 states


The cellular license maps for the north-central (great plains) states
have been posted earlier this week. This completes the initial puzzle
and we now have complete cellular license maps for the lower 48 states
available at http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/regions.html Take
a look and let me know if you have any comments or corrections.
Enjoy!


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Old 01-09-2004, 07:25 PM   #2
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Wow. A lotta very nice work there.

Thank You!!

Dean
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XFF wrote:

> The cellular license maps for the north-central (great plains) states
> have been posted earlier this week. This completes the initial puzzle
> and we now have complete cellular license maps for the lower 48 states
> available at http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/regions.html Take
> a look and let me know if you have any comments or corrections.
> Enjoy!


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Old 01-10-2004, 05:53 AM   #3
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On 9 Jan 2004, XFF wrote:

> The cellular license maps for the north-central (great plains) states
> have been posted earlier this week. This completes the initial puzzle
> and we now have complete cellular license maps for the lower 48 states
> available at http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/regions.html Take
> a look and let me know if you have any comments or corrections.
> Enjoy!


Can Verizon just please buy out Inland Cellular's B-side licenses for
WA/ID? PLEASE?!?

BTW, good job on the map. ;-)

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Old 01-10-2004, 08:27 AM   #4
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GREAT Map....now for a stupid question...what is the difference between side
A and B?...I have never understood that.

Thanks for you information,
Larry

"XFF" <xff@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:298d9cbf.0401091349.ad3851@posting.google.com ...
> The cellular license maps for the north-central (great plains) states
> have been posted earlier this week. This completes the initial puzzle
> and we now have complete cellular license maps for the lower 48 states
> available at http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/regions.html Take
> a look and let me know if you have any comments or corrections.
> Enjoy!



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Old 01-10-2004, 11:41 AM   #5
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"Larry Fortune" <larryefortune@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:9ZTLb.14302$5V2.20501@attbi_s53...
> GREAT Map....now for a stupid question...what is the difference between

side
> A and B?...I have never understood that.
>
> Thanks for you information,
> Larry
>
> "XFF" <xff@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:298d9cbf.0401091349.ad3851@posting.google.com ...
> > The cellular license maps for the north-central (great plains) states
> > have been posted earlier this week. This completes the initial puzzle
> > and we now have complete cellular license maps for the lower 48 states
> > available at http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/regions.html Take
> > a look and let me know if you have any comments or corrections.
> > Enjoy!


You can see the band plan here:
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/cel.../bandplan.html

John C.


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Old 01-10-2004, 12:10 PM   #6
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Great map! Thanks for all the work!

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"XFF" <xff@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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> The cellular license maps for the north-central (great plains) states
> have been posted earlier this week. This completes the initial puzzle
> and we now have complete cellular license maps for the lower 48 states
> available at http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/regions.html Take
> a look and let me know if you have any comments or corrections.
> Enjoy!



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Old 01-10-2004, 12:16 PM   #7
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Thanks...both good answers....so when I am in a city and say Verizon has one
side (A or B) is that the side I am using?

If Verizon has neither (A or B) is that when I use another provider either
in extended mode or roam?


"Larry Fortune" <larryefortune@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:9ZTLb.14302$5V2.20501@attbi_s53...
> GREAT Map....now for a stupid question...what is the difference between

side
> A and B?...I have never understood that.
>
> Thanks for you information,
> Larry
>
> "XFF" <xff@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:298d9cbf.0401091349.ad3851@posting.google.com ...
> > The cellular license maps for the north-central (great plains) states
> > have been posted earlier this week. This completes the initial puzzle
> > and we now have complete cellular license maps for the lower 48 states
> > available at http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/regions.html Take
> > a look and let me know if you have any comments or corrections.
> > Enjoy!

>
>



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Old 01-10-2004, 02:26 PM   #8
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"Larry Fortune" <larryefortune@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Thanks...both good answers....so when I am in a city and say Verizon has

one
> side (A or B) is that the side I am using?
>
> If Verizon has neither (A or B) is that when I use another provider either
> in extended mode or roam?


Only if Verizon doesn't have a PCS system operating there
(Florida, Dallas, New Orleans, etc.).

John C.


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Old 01-10-2004, 03:54 PM   #9
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"Larry Fortune" <larryefortune@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<9ZTLb.14302$5V2.20501@attbi_s53>...
> GREAT Map....now for a stupid question...what is the difference between side
> A and B?...I have never understood that.


When the cellular spectrum was licensed in the early 80's, it was
split into two chunks of equal size (25 MHz each) and each chunk (one
of which is known as the A-side license and the other one as the
B-side license) was licensed independently to different companies to
spur competition and accelerate buildout and growth of the network.

Originally, the B-side license was given to the incumbent local
telephone company and the A-side license was auctioned off to the
highest bidder. Due to license aggregation, dis-aggregation, mergers,
and aquisitions, this distinction no longer exists and most major
wireless carriers hold both A-side and B-side licenses in different
markets.

In fact, out of the top 9 cellular carriers, 6 hold both A-side and
B-side licenses (VZW, Cingular, ALLTEL, USCC, Dobson, and RCC) whereas
3 only hold A-side licenses (ATTWS, WWCA, and Centennial). For
details on the frequency assignments for A-side and B-side see
http://tk.com/wireless/
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Old 01-10-2004, 04:00 PM   #10
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Jerome Zelinske <jeromez1@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<O9TLb.1309$q4.448@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net>...

> I guess I'm a little color blind in that I find it difficult to
> tell the difference between cingular and uscellular. I am looking at
> the maps that include WI.


In WI, USCC only holds A-side licenses and Cingular only holds B-side
licenses, so that should be easy to distinguish. In general, some of
these maps are pushing 10 to 15 or even 20 colors, so it's hard to
find a color scheme that provides sufficient contrast between each set
of adjacent colors. I have found that CRT monitors show the nuances
between similar colors better than LCD monitors, but your milage may
vary.
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Old 01-10-2004, 11:08 PM   #11
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Thanks for the pointer. Now I see why Nextel works so good in
Charleston, SC....
http://tk.com/wireless/smr/b026.shtml



On 10 Jan 2004 13:54:43 -0800, xff@austin.rr.com (XFF) wrote:

>"Larry Fortune" <larryefortune@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<9ZTLb.14302$5V2.20501@attbi_s53>...
>> GREAT Map....now for a stupid question...what is the difference between side
>> A and B?...I have never understood that.

>
>When the cellular spectrum was licensed in the early 80's, it was
>split into two chunks of equal size (25 MHz each) and each chunk (one
>of which is known as the A-side license and the other one as the
>B-side license) was licensed independently to different companies to
>spur competition and accelerate buildout and growth of the network.
>
>Originally, the B-side license was given to the incumbent local
>telephone company and the A-side license was auctioned off to the
>highest bidder. Due to license aggregation, dis-aggregation, mergers,
>and aquisitions, this distinction no longer exists and most major
>wireless carriers hold both A-side and B-side licenses in different
>markets.
>
>In fact, out of the top 9 cellular carriers, 6 hold both A-side and
>B-side licenses (VZW, Cingular, ALLTEL, USCC, Dobson, and RCC) whereas
>3 only hold A-side licenses (ATTWS, WWCA, and Centennial). For
>details on the frequency assignments for A-side and B-side see
>http://tk.com/wireless/


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Old 01-13-2004, 03:46 PM   #12
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Russ wrote:
> xff@austin.rr.com (XFF) wrote in message news:<298d9cbf.0401091349.ad3851@posting.google.co m>...
>
>>The cellular license maps for the north-central (great plains) states
>>have been posted earlier this week. This completes the initial puzzle
>>and we now have complete cellular license maps for the lower 48 states
>>available at http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/regions.html Take
>>a look and let me know if you have any comments or corrections.
>>Enjoy!

>
>
> Great map. I'm wondering though why Sprint and Nextel don't show up at all.


These maps show the licenses for the Cellular Band (A and B side).
These are in the 800 MHz range. Nextel uses spectrum that isn't in the
cellular band - it is the SMR band. This is also near or in the 800 MHz
range, but different from the cellular band, so it not listed. Spring
(along with other carriers) use PCS band in the 1900 MHz range which
uses different licenses than the cellular band, and these maps don't
show that info either.

Rich
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Old 01-14-2004, 09:15 PM   #13
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> These maps show the licenses for the Cellular Band (A and B side).
> These are in the 800 MHz range. Nextel uses spectrum that isn't in the
> cellular band - it is the SMR band. This is also near or in the 800 MHz
> range, but different from the cellular band, so it not listed. Spring
> (along with other carriers) use PCS band in the 1900 MHz range which
> uses different licenses than the cellular band, and these maps don't
> show that info either.
>
> Rich


And where can the SMR and PCS maps be found?

Something else that would be useful is a map pointing out where the cellular
towers are located.


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Old 01-15-2004, 12:01 AM   #14
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Here's Andrew Shephgerd's main page, with more maps:

http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/main.html

> Great map. I'm wondering though why Sprint and Nextel don't show up at all.


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Old 01-15-2004, 03:37 PM   #15
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Rich <mathwhiz@mathwhiz.org> wrote in message news:<40046739.5040406@mathwhiz.org>...
> Russ wrote:
> > xff@austin.rr.com (XFF) wrote in message news:<298d9cbf.0401091349.ad3851@posting.google.co m>...
> >
> >>The cellular license maps for the north-central (great plains) states
> >>have been posted earlier this week. This completes the initial puzzle
> >>and we now have complete cellular license maps for the lower 48 states
> >>available at http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/regions.html Take
> >>a look and let me know if you have any comments or corrections.
> >>Enjoy!

> >
> >
> > Great map. I'm wondering though why Sprint and Nextel don't show up at all.

>
> These maps show the licenses for the Cellular Band (A and B side).
> These are in the 800 MHz range. Nextel uses spectrum that isn't in the
> cellular band - it is the SMR band. This is also near or in the 800 MHz
> range, but different from the cellular band, so it not listed. Spring
> (along with other carriers) use PCS band in the 1900 MHz range which
> uses different licenses than the cellular band, and these maps don't
> show that info either.
>
> Rich



Thanks to you for the reply and Frank for the additional map info.
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