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Old 06-02-2004, 09:55 AM   #1
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Rumors of takeover?


I've heard some pretty serious rumors recently that Verizon may be
bought out. Apparently they're seriously cutting back, not expanding
coverage area, particularly in our area and surrounding towns and
villages. This has led to frustration among many Verizon users in our
area, where service is rather spotty. There was promise of better
coverage, but it's not materializing.


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Old 06-02-2004, 06:51 PM   #2
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"GBSmith" <frodo@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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| I've heard some pretty serious rumors recently that Verizon may be
| bought out. Apparently they're seriously cutting back, not expanding
| coverage area, particularly in our area and surrounding towns and
| villages. This has led to frustration among many Verizon users in our
| area, where service is rather spotty. There was promise of better
| coverage, but it's not materializing.

I don't think the rumors have merit - but one could always be surprised....

As for "coverage", everyone needs to understand that "coverage" is a
function of "users" - put more simply, no carrier puts up more towers where
there are no people.

You didn't say where you are nor did you indicate what sources provide you
with information of "cutting back", etc. I travel all over the United States
and every time I go across country - driving - coverage has steadily
improved over the years....and it's getting to the point where it's hard to
find an area where you are not in either a home area or extended home area.
Roaming has become pretty rare, at least in areas that are populated.....!

PC


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Old 06-02-2004, 07:25 PM   #3
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Some time around Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:55:02 GMT (give or take a month), someone who says they are
named GBSmith <frodo@ameritech.net> fired up the tubes on the teletype and rambled on about:

>I've heard some pretty serious rumors recently that Verizon may be


ummm? Serious rumors?

What does that mean?

List your sources.

-W
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Old 06-02-2004, 08:22 PM   #4
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"Double U" <PleaseSpamMe@myEmail.com> wrote in message
news:ntrsb09ur61l8bhhi1da1f1e85i35slsfa@4ax.com
> Some time around Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:55:02 GMT (give or take a
> month), someone who says they are named GBSmith <frodo@ameritech.net>
> fired up the tubes on the teletype and rambled on about:
>
>> I've heard some pretty serious rumors recently that Verizon may be

>
> ummm? Serious rumors?
>
> What does that mean?
>
> List your sources.
>
> -W


Don't forget, there were a whole bunch of rumors/speculation etc, that
sprint was gonna takeover verizon. I bet his source was this newsgroup

Instead of a self fulfilling prophecy, they are self fulfilling rumors....




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Old 06-03-2004, 08:56 AM   #5
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Actually, my source was not this news group at all. I didn't anticipate
that others would respond with such defensiveness. I was just wondering
if others had heard these rumors as well.

To someone else's point that Verizon expands in areas where there are
people -- at least enough people to justify the expansion, if I remember
the point correctly -- I live in an area where 4 other major cellular
companies have built towers to improve service. Verizon has not moved
in that direction.

Verizon is not expanding at nearly the same rate as are other providers.

Peter Pan wrote:
> "Double U" <PleaseSpamMe@myEmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ntrsb09ur61l8bhhi1da1f1e85i35slsfa@4ax.com
>
>>Some time around Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:55:02 GMT (give or take a
>>month), someone who says they are named GBSmith <frodo@ameritech.net>
>>fired up the tubes on the teletype and rambled on about:
>>
>>
>>>I've heard some pretty serious rumors recently that Verizon may be

>>
>>ummm? Serious rumors?
>>
>>What does that mean?
>>
>>List your sources.
>>
>>-W

>
>
> Don't forget, there were a whole bunch of rumors/speculation etc, that
> sprint was gonna takeover verizon. I bet his source was this newsgroup
>
> Instead of a self fulfilling prophecy, they are self fulfilling rumors....
>
>
>
>

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Old 06-03-2004, 09:31 AM   #6
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"GBSmith" <frodo@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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| Actually, my source was not this news group at all. I didn't anticipate
| that others would respond with such defensiveness. I was just wondering
| if others had heard these rumors as well.

It's not "defensive" to disagree and point out that such rumors are just
that...rumors....! These rumors surface with regularity.....

| To someone else's point that Verizon expands in areas where there are
| people -- at least enough people to justify the expansion, if I remember
| the point correctly -- I live in an area where 4 other major cellular
| companies have built towers to improve service. Verizon has not moved
| in that direction.

You still haven't said where it is you claim that Verizon isn't
"expanding"....I submit that it's highly likely that there is no area served
by four other "major" carriers where Verizon isn't aggresively
competitive....that's how they got to be the carrier with the largest and
most pervasive coverage nationwide.

I will repeat that I find that they are expanding all over the country and
remain the single carrier with the best coverage nationwide. There are
certainly some areas where other carriers are also expanding and competing,
but no one can begin to match the coverage Verizon has almost everywhere.
Please advise if you can provide some specifics - we are all interested
enough to read and post in this venue and most of us welcome the discussion.

I will repeat the point once again that seems to escape many of the
naysayers - it makes little economic sense to "expand" in areas where there
are no people. The uninhabited wilderness in Oregon is a good example -
more treehuggers have to buy the service if they expect more towers to to
up. Similarly, the empty desert in Arizona where no one lives has spotty
service - nobody there to buy and pay for the service. Even in those
sparsely populated areas, Verizon service DOES exist along the major interst
ate highways. Somebody has to pay for the service - Economics 101....!

| Verizon is not expanding at nearly the same rate as are other providers.

I seriously doubt that you can back up that assertion with facts. In point
of fact, Verizon is buying up carriers all over the country and expanding
their network at a great rate. I'd like to know who else is "growing
faster" - and, again, those of us who participate in this venue are
interested in that discussion.....

PC



|
| Peter Pan wrote:
| > "Double U" <PleaseSpamMe@myEmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:ntrsb09ur61l8bhhi1da1f1e85i35slsfa@4ax.com
| >
| >>Some time around Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:55:02 GMT (give or take a
| >>month), someone who says they are named GBSmith <frodo@ameritech.net>
| >>fired up the tubes on the teletype and rambled on about:
| >>
| >>
| >>>I've heard some pretty serious rumors recently that Verizon may be
| >>
| >>ummm? Serious rumors?
| >>
| >>What does that mean?
| >>
| >>List your sources.
| >>
| >>-W
| >
| >
| > Don't forget, there were a whole bunch of rumors/speculation etc, that
| > sprint was gonna takeover verizon. I bet his source was this newsgroup

| >
| > Instead of a self fulfilling prophecy, they are self fulfilling
rumors....
| >
| >
| >
| >


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Old 06-03-2004, 10:13 AM   #7
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The key here is: YOUR area....

Many factors are involved. Proconsul discussed just one of them.
(Economic/ROI factor). Others are things like permitting, priorities, etc.

Permitting: I have seen multiple examples where some carriers had applied
for permits to sites before a certain date, and had no problems, while others
in the exact same area applied after that date and ran into NIMBY difficulties.

Priorities: like spending money rolling out 1xEV-DO nationwide? It is possible that
money from expansion in a very low priority (your??) area was shifted?



"GBSmith" <frodo@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:46Gvc.23925$IY4.8074@newssvr31.news.prodigy.c om...
> Actually, my source was not this news group at all. I didn't anticipate
> that others would respond with such defensiveness. I was just wondering
> if others had heard these rumors as well.
>
> To someone else's point that Verizon expands in areas where there are
> people -- at least enough people to justify the expansion, if I remember
> the point correctly -- I live in an area where 4 other major cellular
> companies have built towers to improve service. Verizon has not moved
> in that direction.
>
> Verizon is not expanding at nearly the same rate as are other providers.
>
> Peter Pan wrote:
> > "Double U" <PleaseSpamMe@myEmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:ntrsb09ur61l8bhhi1da1f1e85i35slsfa@4ax.com
> >
> >>Some time around Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:55:02 GMT (give or take a
> >>month), someone who says they are named GBSmith <frodo@ameritech.net>
> >>fired up the tubes on the teletype and rambled on about:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I've heard some pretty serious rumors recently that Verizon may be
> >>
> >>ummm? Serious rumors?
> >>
> >>What does that mean?
> >>
> >>List your sources.
> >>
> >>-W

> >
> >
> > Don't forget, there were a whole bunch of rumors/speculation etc, that
> > sprint was gonna takeover verizon. I bet his source was this newsgroup
> >
> > Instead of a self fulfilling prophecy, they are self fulfilling rumors....
> >
> >
> >
> >



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Old 06-03-2004, 10:51 AM   #8
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> Verizon is not expanding at nearly the same rate as are other providers.
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Perhaps the 1 Billion dollars every quarter is a big accounting gimmick
(like the Star Wars program was) and a few fat cats benefit. I can say
that my time with Verizon recently showed no improvement in Minneapolis
Metro coverage what-so-ever since 2001.

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Old 06-03-2004, 10:55 AM   #9
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"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> GBSmith <frodo@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >
> > Verizon is not expanding at nearly the same rate as are other providers.
> >

>
> Perhaps the 1 Billion dollars every quarter is a big accounting gimmick
> (like the Star Wars program was) and a few fat cats benefit. I can say
> that my time with Verizon recently showed no improvement in Minneapolis
> Metro coverage what-so-ever since 2001.


Not surprising. It's so damned cold there that the signal freezes before if
gets to your phone from the tower...

Dan'l.


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Old 06-03-2004, 12:40 PM   #10
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"Richard Ness" <richardno@damnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in message
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| The key here is: YOUR area....
|
| Many factors are involved. Proconsul discussed just one of them.
| (Economic/ROI factor). Others are things like permitting, priorities, etc.
|
| Permitting: I have seen multiple examples where some carriers had applied
| for permits to sites before a certain date, and had no problems, while
others
| in the exact same area applied after that date and ran into NIMBY
difficulties.

Good point! I live in San Diego, California - the worst coverage in the area
is in La Jolla, where folks with big bucks live....but they won't permit any
towers to be put in, hence, very spotty coverage...... You'd think that
those with big bucks, all of whom have cell phones growing out of their
ears, would want better coverage - but they are the ones blocking the
expansion!

| Priorities: like spending money rolling out 1xEV-DO nationwide? It is
possible that
| money from expansion in a very low priority (your??) area was shifted?

Another good point - what other carriers can provide similar services over
wide areas of the country?

PC


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Old 06-03-2004, 12:44 PM   #11
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"Daniel Dravot" <chasham97NOSPAM@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:gSHvc.10279$Yd3.4616@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net...
| "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| news:40bf4906$0$163$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octan ews.com...
| > GBSmith <frodo@ameritech.net> wrote:
| > >
| > > Verizon is not expanding at nearly the same rate as are other
providers.
| > >
| >
| > Perhaps the 1 Billion dollars every quarter is a big accounting gimmick
| > (like the Star Wars program was) and a few fat cats benefit. I can say
| > that my time with Verizon recently showed no improvement in Minneapolis
| > Metro coverage what-so-ever since 2001.

When Verizon "started up", it started with Airtouch, i.e., Southern
California along with Nynex and Bell Atlantic, i.e., the Eastern Seaboard.
Those two huge areas comprised more than 75% of cell phone usage at the
time - Verizon effectively captured the market, coverage wise, from the "get
go". Since then, the expansion has been enormous and now covers virtually
the entire POPULATED areas of the country and almost all of the Interstate
highways.....!

Others, Sprint for example, concentrate on certain metropolitan areas and
are not found outside the city limits much of the time. Still others, small
local carriers and some larger ones, have been subsumed by Verizon and a
couple of others.

Coverage is complex, as stated by other posters, and I still don't see how
one can show conclusively that Verizon is "behind" anyone....

PC


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Old 06-03-2004, 02:24 PM   #12
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I'm not going into specifics. I know some people in our area who are
actively pursuing a tower with Verizon. They already have towers for 4
other major carriers. I don't want to upset their attempts.

The fact of the matter is, however, they've been pursuing this for over
a year. All signs point to Verizon cutting back, not expanding. I'm
quite certain Verizon application for a permit would be welcome, not denied.

Our area is not some forested area in Oregon, either. We're well populated.

Too bad. The ultimate loss will be Verizon's.

Thank you all for your replies. Again, I simply asked if anyone had
heard similar rumors. I'll take the majority of replies to suggest a
simple, "no."

Proconsul wrote:

> "Richard Ness" <richardno@damnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in message
> news:v5Sdnb-Iud2u3SLd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> | The key here is: YOUR area....
> |
> | Many factors are involved. Proconsul discussed just one of them.
> | (Economic/ROI factor). Others are things like permitting, priorities, etc.
> |
> | Permitting: I have seen multiple examples where some carriers had applied
> | for permits to sites before a certain date, and had no problems, while
> others
> | in the exact same area applied after that date and ran into NIMBY
> difficulties.
>
> Good point! I live in San Diego, California - the worst coverage in the area
> is in La Jolla, where folks with big bucks live....but they won't permit any
> towers to be put in, hence, very spotty coverage...... You'd think that
> those with big bucks, all of whom have cell phones growing out of their
> ears, would want better coverage - but they are the ones blocking the
> expansion!
>
> | Priorities: like spending money rolling out 1xEV-DO nationwide? It is
> possible that
> | money from expansion in a very low priority (your??) area was shifted?
>
> Another good point - what other carriers can provide similar services over
> wide areas of the country?
>
> PC
>
>

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Old 06-03-2004, 07:12 PM   #13
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I heard the same thing, like maybe AT&T Wireless was going to buy
them. Or maybe Hasbro.

>I've heard some pretty serious rumors recently that Verizon may be
>bought out. Apparently they're seriously cutting back, not expanding
>coverage area, particularly in our area and surrounding towns and
>villages. This has led to frustration among many Verizon users in our
>area, where service is rather spotty. There was promise of better
>coverage, but it's not materializing.


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Old 06-03-2004, 07:32 PM   #14
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I heard they weren't putting anything into upper minn and mich since
Canada's buying them and they won't be states and part of verizon anymore..


"despondent" <the@despondent.net> wrote in message
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> I heard the same thing, like maybe AT&T Wireless was going to buy
> them. Or maybe Hasbro.
>
>> I've heard some pretty serious rumors recently that Verizon may be
>> bought out. Apparently they're seriously cutting back, not expanding
>> coverage area, particularly in our area and surrounding towns and
>> villages. This has led to frustration among many Verizon users in
>> our area, where service is rather spotty. There was promise of
>> better coverage, but it's not materializing.



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Old 06-03-2004, 08:27 PM   #15
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despondent <the@despondent.net> wrote:
> I heard the same thing, like maybe AT&T Wireless was going to buy
> them. Or maybe Hasbro.


Larry W4CSC considers all CDMA phones to be toys... maybe there is
something to your rumor.

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