new battery conditioning question

"Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> D.J. Osborn wrote:
>> "clifto" <clifto@clifto.com> wrote:
>>
>>> D.J. Osborn wrote:
>>>> "clifto" <clifto@clifto.com> wrote:
>>>>> D.J. Osborn wrote:
>>>>>> Lithium-Ion batteries don't need to be
>>>>>> "conditioned"--and neither do Nickel-Metal-Hydride
>>>>>> batteries.
>>>>>
>>>>> So they say. Still, every single one I've had has
>>>>> pretty near doubled in capacity by the tenth
>>>>> charge/discharge cycle. (No deep discharging involved,
>>>>> either; use until 'low battery' token, then recharge.)
>>>>
>>>> It sounds as if you;ve given it normal use, and it's
>>>> performed well. That confirms what I've written.
>>>
>>> Then we're basically tripped up in the semantics, and
>>> possibly the OP as well. Even though it's not a special
>>> secret-handshake clandestine conditioning procedure, I
>>> still refer to it as "conditioning" and don't treat the
>>> batteries as "ready for prime-time" before that's done.
>>> The devil is in the definitions.
>>
>>
>> As has been discussed elsewhere in this thread, there's
>> absolutely *no* need to "condition" the batteries. If you
>> happen to (or need to) run them down so far that the
>> phone automatically shuts down, then you're not doing
>> them any harm. However, there's no need to "condition"
>> them by running them down to a deep discharge. Moreover,
>> your phone will automatically turn off before the battery
>> gets to a deep discharge, and so--despite what you desire
>> to call it--you're not actually "conditioning" one when
>> you discharge it to the point of automatic phone
>> shutdown, anyhow.
>
> I've decided that the placebo effect is far more valuable
> to those who aren't sure or don't know than the loss of
> a few charging cycles. I explain it once and then encourage
> them to "condition" it anyway "just in case". If they don't
> question the contradiction then they really want to believe
> that it will do some good and will feel much better after
> doing so. If they do question the contradiction then I will
> proceed to explain the "gas guage" and how it can drift
> from the actual battery condition and how "conditioning"
> it then can re-sync things.


Sounds good to me. Does it go something like, "Condition once and call me in
the morning. . . ."?

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> May I recommend this site:
> http://www.batteryuniversity.com/

Hmm, definitely appears to be a credible source of information. Maybe
whoever fed me my info was FOS. It was a Solectron employee...

ex-tech

ex-tech wrote:
>> May I recommend this site:
>> http://www.batteryuniversity.com/
>
> Hmm, definitely appears to be a credible source of information. Maybe
> whoever fed me my info was FOS. It was a Solectron employee...
>
> ex-tech

Sounds like he is gonna be an "ex-tech" like your handle.....

Quick wrote:
>
> I've decided that the placebo effect is far more valuable
> to those who aren't sure or don't know than the loss of
> a few charging cycles. I explain it once and then encourage
> them to "condition" it anyway "just in case". If they don't
> question the contradiction then they really want to believe
> that it will do some good and will feel much better after
> doing so. If they do question the contradiction then I will
> proceed to explain the "gas guage" and how it can drift
> from the actual battery condition and how "conditioning"
> it then can re-sync things.
>
> -Quick

You may want to consider the analogy that I use... Not all batteries like
deep discharges.. Look at a car battery.. Do you run it completely dead and
then recharge it, or do you charge it in small increments as you use it?

The hardest part of selling someone on the idea of a cellsocket (device you
put your phone in and it connects to the land lines in your house, in
addition to charging your battery while it is in the socket)... People that
think Lion's are the same as Nicad's are impossible to sell...

> Sounds like he is gonna be an "ex-tech" like your handle.....
To the best of my recollection, the line of logic that I mentioned above was
commonly dispensed my most "techs" while I was working in the VZW store. A
quick look at a few user guides on the Motorola and Kyocera sites offer only
vague instructions on the best time to charge a battery, based on the
existing charge strength.

ex-tech