Verizon disables National Access phone access?

I have owned a VX4400 phone for a year+ now
I have also been a verizon customer for 6+ years.
The only reason I bought the vx4400 was b/c of r1xtt, however, when I
bought it it turned out that my laptop was too fried to support it, so
I gave up. Anyway, got a new laptop, got vx4400 to work with the
laptop and to dial up.
QNC works, 1xrtt doesn't
(qnc/qnc login works, mynum@vzw3g.com/vzw doesn't).

Called Verizon.. spent over an hour on hold.
Spoke to some tech that said 'national access has been disabled on
phones'.. He offerred to enable some Data Plan, but since it was
already past 11pm ET, I had to call back to do it the next day.

Call back the next day, they say data plans are no longer supported
through phones.

Why the heck not? I'd like to use my cell phone as a modem when I need
to, and I'd like to use the modern speeds. I don't really want the
card for a few reasons: my laptop has only one pcmcia slot, which I
might use for something else, I don't really need high-speed access
all the time. I really need the data plan for emergencies, however
qnc/qnc is way too slow, even for plain text connections.. I once
spent a good few hours on a qnc connection, and I was typing way
faster than letters would appear on my ssh screen (really bad latency)

So my question is:
Why did Verizon disable National Access for phone/modem use?
And did they really?
Is there are any workarounds?

This, together with rumors that Verizon is disabling roaming, is
pissing me off big time.

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On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:51:52 GMT, NetComrade wrote:

> I have owned a VX4400 phone for a year+ now
> I have also been a verizon customer for 6+ years.
> The only reason I bought the vx4400 was b/c of r1xtt, however, when I
> bought it it turned out that my laptop was too fried to support it, so
> I gave up. Anyway, got a new laptop, got vx4400 to work with the
> laptop and to dial up.
> QNC works, 1xrtt doesn't
> (qnc/qnc login works, mynum@vzw3g.com/vzw doesn't).
>
> Called Verizon.. spent over an hour on hold.
> Spoke to some tech that said 'national access has been disabled on
> phones'.. He offerred to enable some Data Plan, but since it was
> already past 11pm ET, I had to call back to do it the next day.
>
> Call back the next day, they say data plans are no longer supported
> through phones.
>
> Why the heck not? I'd like to use my cell phone as a modem when I need
> to, and I'd like to use the modern speeds. I don't really want the
> card for a few reasons: my laptop has only one pcmcia slot, which I
> might use for something else, I don't really need high-speed access
> all the time. I really need the data plan for emergencies, however
> qnc/qnc is way too slow, even for plain text connections.. I once
> spent a good few hours on a qnc connection, and I was typing way
> faster than letters would appear on my ssh screen (really bad latency)
>
> So my question is:
> Why did Verizon disable National Access for phone/modem use?
> And did they really?
> Is there are any workarounds?
>
> This, together with rumors that Verizon is disabling roaming, is
> pissing me off big time.
>

NA works fine here. I just dialed it up with my Vox 9900.

On 2005-06-03, NetComrade <netcomradeNSPAM@bookexchange.net> wrote:
> I have owned a VX4400 phone for a year+ now
> I have also been a verizon customer for 6+ years.
> The only reason I bought the vx4400 was b/c of r1xtt, however, when I
> bought it it turned out that my laptop was too fried to support it, so
> I gave up. Anyway, got a new laptop, got vx4400 to work with the
> laptop and to dial up.
> QNC works, 1xrtt doesn't
> (qnc/qnc login works, mynum@vzw3g.com/vzw doesn't).
>
> Called Verizon.. spent over an hour on hold.
> Spoke to some tech that said 'national access has been disabled on
> phones'.. He offerred to enable some Data Plan, but since it was
> already past 11pm ET, I had to call back to do it the next day.
>
> Call back the next day, they say data plans are no longer supported
> through phones.
>
> Why the heck not? I'd like to use my cell phone as a modem when I need
> to, and I'd like to use the modern speeds. I don't really want the
> card for a few reasons: my laptop has only one pcmcia slot, which I
> might use for something else, I don't really need high-speed access
> all the time. I really need the data plan for emergencies, however
> qnc/qnc is way too slow, even for plain text connections.. I once
> spent a good few hours on a qnc connection, and I was typing way
> faster than letters would appear on my ssh screen (really bad latency)
>
> So my question is:
> Why did Verizon disable National Access for phone/modem use?
> And did they really?
> Is there are any workarounds?
>
> This, together with rumors that Verizon is disabling roaming, is
> pissing me off big time.

You got lied to. My EN (National Access) works fine. I also confirmed with QNC.

All is good.

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No, if u say to them "I want to use my phone to give internet access to
my laptop", they will say "data plan". Check your bill, see if it says
"national enchanced services access", if you have that your account has
1x on it. Also remember to set ur phone to 1x or qnc through a
initialization string, or set it in the phone from "auto" to "1x" or
whatever. I dont use ur phone so I cant say specifically. If you try
QNC username in 1x mode it will say login failed on the computer, if it
says that, it means ur phone already established a 1x connection. Now
if you dont get login failed, or get something like "network error" or
"network timeout" or "call failed" on the phone's screen, thats a phone
problem. I had the same thing with my Audiovox 9500, it worked fine in
QNC, but didint work in 1x. Note the 9500's firmware doesnt ever
display a 1x icon, even after I eventually got it working in 1x, even
with the latest firmware.

I went to various stores, and their techs said "1x is if you have a
digital signal [for voice calls]", "if your phone can make voice calls,
your on our 1x/national access network", "1x isnt a speed, its a
network type", "all phones do 1x", "yes 1x is working fine on this
phone", basically they are RMAing on ur behalf/"clicking next" monkeys.
I tried the "i want 1x for get-it-now" they said "your phone already
uses 1x for get it now but we will check out your phone", took phone,
came back 1 min later and said "GIN works fine, there is nothing to
repair", GIN was using QNC AFAIK.

Then I got a idea, I cant directly tell them "Give me 144k now for my
laptop!!!!", heck they even say a MOK doesnt exist for this phone (it
does). So I got the idea to force the minibrowser to 1x, then get
mobile web, then complain mobile web doesnt work, but I cant complain
my minibrowser doesnt work if I am using a free WAP gateway. So I
reprogramed the minibrowser to use 1x ONLY and ONLY have a #@vzw3g.com
login, obviously the minibrowser didint work, it said "waiting" for
about a minute, then said "network error".

I took the phone to a verizon store and told them I want mobile web,
they did a lil computer typing and said they turned it on. They then
asked why i didnt do it through the minibrowser, and I said "I tried
but my minibrowser gives this weird error, can u please look at it?",
the minibrowser was in 1x only mode at the time. They took the phone to
the back, 15 mins later brought it back and said "it still has the
error, the phone will need to take upto a hour to accept the fix and
then mobile web will work, if it doesnt fix itself after a house call
wireless data tech support", the 1x didnt fix after a hour, so I called
wireless data tech support, spent 1 and a half hrs on the phone with
them (45 mins waiting on hold before I got anyone). They did alot of
"turn off the phone and I will put you on hold, and then when i come
back, i will tell u to turn it on and try it again", after like 40 mins
of these cycles, it finally worked, I checked the connection settings,
the phone was still in 1x only mode the way I set it up, and the pages
in the minibrowser now all loaded much faster (vs QNC that I used when
my phone was on prepaid) and I knew I was in 1x mode. Now the phone
works with 1x with a data cable connected to a laptop, I am so happy.
And almost always in NYC I can peg it at 130-140 sustained and get 96K
streaming mp3, and at nights I can pull off 128K streaming mp3!!!!!!!!!
In my experiance, your 1x speeds greatly vary on your signal strength,
use the debug screen and make sure you have a under 15 EC/IO or E
numberor noise floor
..
NetComrade wrote:
> I have owned a VX4400 phone for a year+ now
> I have also been a verizon customer for 6+ years.
> The only reason I bought the vx4400 was b/c of r1xtt, however, when I
> bought it it turned out that my laptop was too fried to support it, so
> I gave up. Anyway, got a new laptop, got vx4400 to work with the
> laptop and to dial up.
> QNC works, 1xrtt doesn't
> (qnc/qnc login works, mynum@vzw3g.com/vzw doesn't).
>
> Called Verizon.. spent over an hour on hold.
> Spoke to some tech that said 'national access has been disabled on
> phones'.. He offerred to enable some Data Plan, but since it was
> already past 11pm ET, I had to call back to do it the next day.
>
> Call back the next day, they say data plans are no longer supported
> through phones.
>
> Why the heck not? I'd like to use my cell phone as a modem when I need
> to, and I'd like to use the modern speeds. I don't really want the
> card for a few reasons: my laptop has only one pcmcia slot, which I
> might use for something else, I don't really need high-speed access
> all the time. I really need the data plan for emergencies, however
> qnc/qnc is way too slow, even for plain text connections.. I once
> spent a good few hours on a qnc connection, and I was typing way
> faster than letters would appear on my ssh screen (really bad latency)
>
> So my question is:
> Why did Verizon disable National Access for phone/modem use?
> And did they really?
> Is there are any workarounds?
>
> This, together with rumors that Verizon is disabling roaming, is
> pissing me off big time.
>
> .......
> We use Oracle 8.1.7.4 and 9.2.0.5 on Solaris 2.7 boxes
> remove NSPAM to email

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:51:52 GMT, netcomradeNSPAM@bookexchange.net
(NetComrade) wrote:

>Spoke to some tech that said 'national access has been disabled on
>phones'.. He offerred to enable some Data Plan, but since it was
>already past 11pm ET, I had to call back to do it the next day.
>
>Call back the next day, they say data plans are no longer supported
>through phones.

I'm on it right now on my phone.

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but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy ****...what a ride!"

NA works fine for the whole family. 5 phones, not one with a data plan,
some using MOK kits, although not on a regular basis. You need to talk to
them again, the records for finding someone who can help you is 7; although
that is my experience.
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"CellGuy" <cellguy@seemessagebody.com> wrote in message
news:1dt8ckpuycy3m$.z5lr3mgz1n62$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
> On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:51:52 GMT, NetComrade wrote:
>
<snip>
>> So my question is:
>> Why did Verizon disable National Access for phone/modem use?
>> And did they really?
>> Is there are any workarounds?
>>
>> This, together with rumors that Verizon is disabling roaming, is
>> pissing me off big time.
>>
>
> NA works fine here. I just dialed it up with my Vox 9900.

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:51:52 GMT, netcomradeNSPAM@bookexchange.net (NetComrade)
wrote:

>I have owned a VX4400 phone for a year+ now
>I have also been a verizon customer for 6+ years.
>The only reason I bought the vx4400 was b/c of r1xtt, however, when I
>bought it it turned out that my laptop was too fried to support it, so
>I gave up. Anyway, got a new laptop, got vx4400 to work with the
>laptop and to dial up.
>QNC works, 1xrtt doesn't
>(qnc/qnc login works, mynum@vzw3g.com/vzw doesn't).
>
>Called Verizon.. spent over an hour on hold.
>Spoke to some tech that said 'national access has been disabled on
>phones'.. He offerred to enable some Data Plan, but since it was
>already past 11pm ET, I had to call back to do it the next day.
>
>Call back the next day, they say data plans are no longer supported
>through phones.

They lied. But you asked for the wrong feature. It's called "Mobile Office."
I've been using my Startac for years as a 14.4 modem (with the accessory data
cable), and currently use my Kyocera KX2 with the accessory USB data cable also
as a CDMA modem (though between 14.4 and 56k depending upon what's available).

This particular feature, though, is poorly supported (most Verizon customer
service reps don't know what it is), and it's not available everywhere. I was
traveling in North Carolina on business recently and needed connectivity back to
my office. The hotels with "free" wireless were blocking my VPN connections so I
tried my cellphone, but Alltel was blocking me (using qnc/qnc). Apparently I was
within Alltel's territory and they won't allow Verizon customers to access that
service. Eventually had to break out the telephone cable and plug in my laptop's
landline modem, and the best speed I could get was about 24 kb.

Keep in mind, too, that even if you're in an area where Mobile Office won't
work, you can use your cellphone and data cable as a conventional CDMA modem and
dial into your ISP instead (Verizon doesn't charge extra for that, you're only
using regular plan's airtime and long distance).

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 03:44:48 GMT, dr.news@better.price.biz.nospam wrote:

> NA works fine for the whole family. 5 phones, not one with a data plan,
> some using MOK kits, although not on a regular basis. You need to talk to
> them again, the records for finding someone who can help you is 7; although
> that is my experience.

You replied to me instead of the OP.
NA works fine for me.

I had the same trouble with a phone of a friend. I called Verizon CS and
asked them to check if 1x was enabled. Tell them you are having trouble
with Get It Now and they'll fix it fast. One other thing, be sure you have
the right init. string for the modem. For 1x the init should be:
AT$QCMDR=3;AT$QCQNC=0

PoD


"NetComrade" <netcomradeNSPAM@bookexchange.net> wrote in message
news:42a079b2.1326185281@localhost...
>I have owned a VX4400 phone for a year+ now
> I have also been a verizon customer for 6+ years.
> The only reason I bought the vx4400 was b/c of r1xtt, however, when I
> bought it it turned out that my laptop was too fried to support it, so
> I gave up. Anyway, got a new laptop, got vx4400 to work with the
> laptop and to dial up.
> QNC works, 1xrtt doesn't
> (qnc/qnc login works, mynum@vzw3g.com/vzw doesn't).
>
> Called Verizon.. spent over an hour on hold.
> Spoke to some tech that said 'national access has been disabled on
> phones'.. He offerred to enable some Data Plan, but since it was
> already past 11pm ET, I had to call back to do it the next day.
>
> Call back the next day, they say data plans are no longer supported
> through phones.
>
> Why the heck not? I'd like to use my cell phone as a modem when I need
> to, and I'd like to use the modern speeds. I don't really want the
> card for a few reasons: my laptop has only one pcmcia slot, which I
> might use for something else, I don't really need high-speed access
> all the time. I really need the data plan for emergencies, however
> qnc/qnc is way too slow, even for plain text connections.. I once
> spent a good few hours on a qnc connection, and I was typing way
> faster than letters would appear on my ssh screen (really bad latency)
>
> So my question is:
> Why did Verizon disable National Access for phone/modem use?
> And did they really?
> Is there are any workarounds?
>
> This, together with rumors that Verizon is disabling roaming, is
> pissing me off big time.
>
> .......
> We use Oracle 8.1.7.4 and 9.2.0.5 on Solaris 2.7 boxes
> remove NSPAM to email