Re: upgrade phone or cancel service and start over?

"Elector" <elector@mydeja.com> wrote in message
news:zORYe.20315$265.12462@trndny07...

> It was in reference to the "EH" in Bob the Painter's reply post. It is not
> common in the USA to hear that. In Canada I hear it all the time.
> Got it now? Also English may not be a first language for many posters so
> spelling and grammar mistakes are just that, mistakes.

NOT Bob the Painter, Bob the PRINTER! Geez, at least get that part right!


So I wonder if the original poster has decided to upgrade or cancel and
start over??

It's amazing how we can so easily get off the original subject...:-)

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:38:07 GMT, "Elector" <elector@mydeja.com> chose to
add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

>
>"David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message
>news:0qt6j1plb9hbttesedep92vitsibls8u6s@4ax.com.. .
><snip>
>> In American, Canadian, English, Indian, Australian, New Zealand and any
>> other English you can name, the "there/their/they're" rules are all the
>> same. Anyway, what does Canadian-ese have to do with anything?
>
>It was in reference to the "EH" in Bob the Painter's reply post. It is not
>common in the USA to hear that. In Canada I hear it all the time.

I suspected that that might be what you were going for, but you were being
subtle, so I wasn't sure.

>Got it now? Also English may not be a first language for many posters so
>spelling and grammar mistakes are just that, mistakes.

This is not the case, however, for either you or the OP.

[BTW, I thought Outlook, even the Express version, was smart enough to
detach a signature when it had a proper delimiter.]
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:24:51 GMT, "Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com>
chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
everything:

>On the ESN (English as Second Language) issue I've
>found that those mistakes are very easily distinguished
>from just plain bad English. In most cases sentence
>structure, wording, phrases, colloquialisms, etc. all
>make it pretty clear with a very small amount of context.
>I would have to say that the OP simply used bad English.
>There is no excuse.

While I hate to nitpick people who are defending me, that's "ESL." (No
doubt a reflex action, considering how often the acronym ESN occurs in this
group.) And as a point of information, it isn't ESL any more, it's ELL
(English Language Learners), at least in schools.

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David S wrote:
>
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:24:51 GMT, "Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com>
> chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
> everything:
>
> >On the ESN (English as Second Language) issue I've
> >found that those mistakes are very easily distinguished
> >from just plain bad English. In most cases sentence
> >structure, wording, phrases, colloquialisms, etc. all
> >make it pretty clear with a very small amount of context.
> >I would have to say that the OP simply used bad English.
> >There is no excuse.
>
> While I hate to nitpick people who are defending me, that's "ESL." (No
> doubt a reflex action, considering how often the acronym ESN occurs in this
> group.) And as a point of information, it isn't ESL any more, it's ELL
> (English Language Learners), at least in schools.

I'm sorry, but the person who invented Political Correctness should
be hung by the balls, or ovaries, if appropriate. Or should I say,
"reproductive organs?"

Notan

"Bob the Printer" <bdolson@comcast.net> wrote in message
newsZydnTH2xMtT_6nenZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
<snip>
> NOT Bob the Painter, Bob the PRINTER! Geez, at least get that part
> right!
>
>
> So I wonder if the original poster has decided to upgrade or cancel
> and start over??
>
> It's amazing how we can so easily get off the original subject...:-)
>
>
>

Ha ha look at my 7:39 am post. I corrected that error in your posting
name. My apology.
And don't you just love it when that happens? (off subject)

Elector

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:56:27 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> chose to add this to the great equation of life,
the universe, and everything:

>In article <5959j110i4192m0j76ga0dtleq11uum1v5@4ax.com>,
> David S <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
>
>> And as a point of information, it isn't ESL any more, it's ELL
>> (English Language Learners), at least in schools.
>
>ESL is what it is. If that has a negative connotation, so be it--I
>think it's earned. However, changing it to ELL or anything else won't
>change the connotation. We all know what it is and what it means.

<At risk of going off onto an off-topic political argument...>

What's so negative about learning English? It beats living in a
predominantly-English speaking country and NOT bothering to learn it.
Anyway, all ESL means is that the person was brought up speaking a language
other than English. English will still be that person's second language
even if he or she learns to speak it better than their first language and
becomes more fluent in it than you or I or even a dictionary editor.

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On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 03:46:02 GMT,
Quick <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
> Bob the Printer wrote:
>
>>> The basic premise is that the posters problem or gripe to be
>>> addressed and not the spelling or grammar.
>
> I've tried to parse that numerous times and failed... I know
> what he is trying to say through inference and extrapolation but
> I can't find the short, one or two word fix to correct the
> sentence.

Try this:

The basic premise is that the poster's problem or gripe OUGHT to
^ ^^^^^

be addressed, and not the spelling or grammar.
^

The comma isn't required, but helps clarity in my opinion.

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Theodore (Ted) Heise <theo@heise.nu> Bloomington, IN, USA

Theodore Heise wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 03:46:02 GMT,
> Quick <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>> Bob the Printer wrote:
>>
>>>> The basic premise is that the posters problem or gripe
>>>> to be addressed and not the spelling or grammar.
>>
>> I've tried to parse that numerous times and failed... I
>> know what he is trying to say through inference and
>> extrapolation but I can't find the short, one or two
>> word fix to correct the sentence.
>
> Try this:
>
> The basic premise is that the poster's problem or gripe
> OUGHT to ^
> ^^^^^
>
> be addressed, and not the spelling or grammar.
> ^
>
> The comma isn't required, but helps clarity in my opinion.

Very nice! You fixed it with basically one insertion. Well done.
Once fixed the repair seems obvious/easy. Did you have to think
about it or did it come automatically as you read it?

-Quick

-Quick

David S writes:
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:24:51 GMT, "Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com>
> chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
> everything:
>
> >On the ESN (English as Second Language) issue...

> While I hate to nitpick people who are defending me, that's "ESL." (No
> doubt a reflex action, considering how often the acronym ESN occurs in this
> group.) And as a point of information, it isn't ESL any more, it's ELL
> (English Language Learners), at least in schools.

Actually, my wife (who just finished a masters in education) tells me
that ELL is now obsolete and the correct terminology is ENL (English as
a new language).

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Theodore (Ted) Heise <theo@heise.nu> Bloomington, IN, USA

Quick writes:
> Theodore Heise wrote:
> >
> > Try this:
> >
> > The basic premise is that the poster's problem or gripe OUGHT to
> > ^ ^^^^^
> >
> > be addressed, and not the spelling or grammar.
> > ^
>
> Very nice! You fixed it with basically one insertion. Well done.
> Once fixed the repair seems obvious/easy. Did you have to think
> about it or did it come automatically as you read it?

No, it took a while to suss out the meaning. My first thought was the
same as yours.

--
Theodore (Ted) Heise <theo@heise.nu> Bloomington, IN, USA

Theodore Heise wrote:
> Quick writes:
>> Theodore Heise wrote:
>>>
>>> Try this:
>>>
>>> The basic premise is that the poster's problem or gripe
>>> OUGHT to ^
>>> ^^^^^
>>>
>>> be addressed, and not the spelling or grammar.
>>> ^
>>
>> Very nice! You fixed it with basically one insertion.
>> Well done. Once fixed the repair seems obvious/easy. Did
>> you have to think about it or did it come automatically
>> as you read it?
>
> No, it took a while to suss out the meaning. My first
> thought was the same as yours.

It's a great example of why grammar and spelling are more
than just a nicety

-Quick

Theodore Heise wrote:
> David S writes:
>> While I hate to nitpick people who are defending me, that's "ESL." (No
>> doubt a reflex action, considering how often the acronym ESN occurs in this
>> group.) And as a point of information, it isn't ESL any more, it's ELL
>> (English Language Learners), at least in schools.
>
> Actually, my wife (who just finished a masters in education) tells me
> that ELL is now obsolete and the correct terminology is ENL (English as
> a new language).

Until next year, when they dream up some other politically correct but
logically illogical euphemism. Watch, in five years it'll be English
Cruelly Imposed Upon Poor Innocent Immigrants Who Have Transcended
Fascist Required Immigration Processes.

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