Re: Can I complain?

No, I just want a phone when you go into the menues, it will speak the
options.

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, dr news wrote:

> You will find that the FCC and all the major carriers are working hard to
> make phone service available to everyone. While not a complaint; a courtesy
> note that your particular handicap is not being addressed by your carrier,
> written to the FCC and copied the carrier will have more weight then you can
> imagine. Ask them for help... which is different than a complaint. There
> have been many improvements and headsets particularly for the hard of
> hearing; and your wanting a voice operated phone for all menus, is not
> unrealistic. dr
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> "Dana" <dana@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:Pine.NEB.4.63.0511172329240.4037@panix1.panix .com...
>> I am a blind person, and I have a lgvx-4500 It talks some of the menues,
>> but not all. Why would they make a phone that would talk some of the menues
>> but not all? I know they could finish writing the software, but they won't.
>> I guess the whole thing is for getting sued, I don't know? The phone will
>> talk some of the menues, but not the submenues.
>
>
>

Well, they need to get the people that provide the phones to make a phone
that is accessable then. They know that the technoligy is there, they just
don't care to address the need.

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005, Mortimer Schnurd wrote:

>
> "Dana" <dana@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:Pine.NEB.4.63.0511172329240.4037@panix1.panix .com...
>> I am a blind person, and I have a lgvx-4500 It talks some of the menues,
>> but not all. Why would they make a phone that would talk some of the menues
>> but not all? I know they could finish writing the software, but they won't.
>> I guess the whole thing is for getting sued, I don't know? The phone will
>> talk some of the menues, but not the submenues.
>>
> Complain? NO
> Ask nicely yes..
> The carrier (verizon) only sells what they are supplied by associated
> manufactures.
> Why is it you think you can sue a company because they don't meet YOUR
> desires?
> Get off your high-horse and try being nice to them and see if they can/will
> help you.
> Talk about sueing them and don't be surprised if they totally ignore you.
> Being nice goes a long way in your quest for a phone that does what you need
> it to do.
> Threatening and talk about sueing them, will make them brand you as an
> asshole that no one
> wants to help or get involved with and rightfully so.
>
>
>

I have a Keycera 2325, and ordered a braille manual for that 1, and i can
use it kind of, but it doesn't have a voice synthesizer.

Well, answer this question then, Why does it take them so long to have
adaptive equipment then? They know that there are blind people that need
to access the phones, but they won't do anything about it. I know that
there was a blind group that threatned to sue the cell companies under the
american disabilities act.

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005, The Ghost of General Lee wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:01:33 GMT, "Quick"
> <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
>>> On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:03:56 GMT, "Mortimer Schnurd"
>>> <Mort@aarp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The carrier (verizon) only sells what they are supplied
>>>> by associated manufactures.
>>>
>>> That is a misnomer. VZW sells what they order from the
>>> manufacturers. Their Product Marketing and Development
>>> Department sets all standards for phones used on their
>>> network, and they are responsible for all testing of said
>>> phones. That's why the same model phone will have
>>> certain features disabled on VZW's network, while they
>>> work on others.
>>
>> This may not be exactly how it works either. I believe that
>> manufacturers design particular models with a particular
>> feature set. Phones are designed to be configurable or
>> customized per order. Certainly they have their larger
>> customer's requirements in mind. As much as possible
>> is done in software/firmware to accomodate this. I'm
>> sure there is cooperative work on future product ideas
>> and requirements and some phones are probably
>> developed primarily with a certain customer in mind but,
>> basically I believe it's the manufacturers that come up
>> with the basic products and feature set. Keep in mind
>> they are making products for a global market.
>
> But the statement in question implied the carrier has no input over
> the products they sell. My point is they have a significant say in
> how they will work. My contacts with PM&D have told me *they* set the
> requirements, and Kyocera confirmed it. They won't even fix a known
> bug until PM&D tells them to do it.
>
>

Quick, you are not a Troll.

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005, Quick wrote:

> The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:01:33 GMT, "Quick"
>> <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:03:56 GMT, "Mortimer Schnurd"
>>>> <Mort@aarp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The carrier (verizon) only sells what they are supplied
>>>>> by associated manufactures.
>>>>
>>>> That is a misnomer. VZW sells what they order from the
>>>> manufacturers. Their Product Marketing and Development
>>>> Department sets all standards for phones used on their
>>>> network, and they are responsible for all testing of
>>>> said phones. That's why the same model phone will have
>>>> certain features disabled on VZW's network, while they
>>>> work on others.
>>>
>>> This may not be exactly how it works either. I believe
>>> that manufacturers design particular models with a
>>> particular feature set. Phones are designed to be
>>> configurable or customized per order. Certainly they
>>> have their larger customer's requirements in mind. As
>>> much as possible
>>> is done in software/firmware to accomodate this. I'm
>>> sure there is cooperative work on future product ideas
>>> and requirements and some phones are probably
>>> developed primarily with a certain customer in mind but,
>>> basically I believe it's the manufacturers that come up
>>> with the basic products and feature set. Keep in mind
>>> they are making products for a global market.
>>
>> But the statement in question implied the carrier has no
>> input over the products they sell. My point is they have
>> a significant say in how they will work. My contacts
>> with PM&D have told me *they* set the requirements, and
>> Kyocera confirmed it. They won't even fix a known bug
>> until PM&D tells them to do it.
>
> I believe that. Although not out realm of possibility, I don't
> think a carrier could go to a major manufacturer and say
> "build me exactly this" unless the manufacturer thought
> it would be a popular seller AND other major carriers would
> want it also.
>
> -Quick
>
>
>
>

"Dana" <dana@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.63.0511232215190.15746@panix2.pani x.com...
> Well, answer this question then, Why does it take them so long to have
> adaptive equipment then? They know that there are blind people that need
> to access the phones, but they won't do anything about it. I know that
> there was a blind group that threatned to sue the cell companies under the
> american disabilities act.
Threaten to SUE the cell companies?
This is exactly what I was talking about!

**** YOU!!!! and the horse you rode in on. You sorry piece of crap!
You DEMAND a phone that speaks? **** YOU again!
They dont OWE it to you asswipe!
Be nice, be willing to bring one to fruitation WITH them. Ask if you can
help "spec" the device.
Offer to test a prototype. Many of the phones now dial by voice and have
verbal prompts (if you did your homework).
But you choose to feel sorry for yourself, the world of cellular providers
has nothing better to do but beat up/deny blind and/or sight
impaired people (like you).
I have news for you, when you even mention a lawsuit, no one is going to
have anything to do with you. You become a problem, a liability and a ****
magnet.
I hope you can understand a simple concept.......
You can ASK for anything you want....
But you can demand NOTHING....
Try this **** with Ford, GM or Chrysler. DEMAND a car that you can operate
blindly. They OWE it to you damn it!
Threaten to sue Gaffer's & Sattler because your home gas oven won't talk or
understand your commands.What the hell is wrong with these manufactures
anyways?
And I am sure you are fit to be tied with your Kenmoore washer and dryer
because it wont speak or listen to you too.
Look, you self centered jerk, I am sure we all thank our lucky stars that we
have our sight and other features. no one wishes this on you.
But it's really hard to feel empathy or sorry for a jerk like you that wants
to blame everything on others.Verizon didnt take your eyesight away, but
it's THIER problem?
You remind me of a time at the train station. I see a man with a red tipped
cane. I ask him if he needs help with the ticket vending machine.
His answer......
YES! I want you to buy me a ticket to los angeles, the money is in my top
pocket!
No "please" no request for assistance. Just a demand for SERVICE. BUY ME A
TICKET!
I was willing to ASSIST him, show him how to work it on his own for next
time, but no..that was not good enough. I walked away, I don't need that
kind of ****.
You are the same, you demand a voice prompted phone....
Keep demanding...keep waiting...keep pissing people off.

Quick isn't a troll after all. This is Dana@panix.com I have a hard time
typing from the shell account. I am using a dos e-mail program now.
On 2005-11-23 AXnff.16784$7h7.5715@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com said:
Newsgroups: alt.cellular.verizon
Get out of here you troll.
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Quick wrote:
> Dana wrote:
>> I am a blind person, and I have a lgvx-4500 It talks some
>> of the menues, but not all. Why would they make a phone
>> that would talk some of the menues but not all? I know
>> they could finish writing the software, but they won't. I
>> guess the whole thing is for getting sued, I don't know?
>> The phone will talk some of the menues, but not the
>> submenues.
> So if it didn't talk any of the menues that would be OK?
> -Quick

PHONE: 1-770-229-4240
http://www.randomc.com/~dana

I am guessing that the issue here is that cell phones are
not considered a necessity like your landline would be.
I am not aware that the automobile manufacturers are
required to accomodate the handicapped either. I think
all the modifications are after market.

If this is true then it comes down to whether there is a
large enough market for for them to justify the development
and manufacturing costs. I'm guessing that the talking menu
phone you referred to covered the menus that would be most
commonly used in a hands free application? Voice takes up
a lot of memory.

-Quick

Dana wrote:
> Well, answer this question then, Why does it take them so
> long to have adaptive equipment then? They know that
> there are blind people that need to access the phones,
> but they won't do anything about it. I know that there
> was a blind group that threatned to sue the cell
> companies under the american disabilities act.
>
> On Sat, 19 Nov 2005, The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:01:33 GMT, "Quick"
>> <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:03:56 GMT, "Mortimer Schnurd"
>>>> <Mort@aarp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The carrier (verizon) only sells what they are
>>>>> supplied by associated manufactures.
>>>>
>>>> That is a misnomer. VZW sells what they order from the
>>>> manufacturers. Their Product Marketing and Development
>>>> Department sets all standards for phones used on their
>>>> network, and they are responsible for all testing of
>>>> said phones. That's why the same model phone will have
>>>> certain features disabled on VZW's network, while they
>>>> work on others.
>>>
>>> This may not be exactly how it works either. I believe
>>> that manufacturers design particular models with a
>>> particular feature set. Phones are designed to be
>>> configurable or customized per order. Certainly they
>>> have their larger customer's requirements in mind. As
>>> much as possible
>>> is done in software/firmware to accomodate this. I'm
>>> sure there is cooperative work on future product ideas
>>> and requirements and some phones are probably
>>> developed primarily with a certain customer in mind but,
>>> basically I believe it's the manufacturers that come up
>>> with the basic products and feature set. Keep in mind
>>> they are making products for a global market.
>>
>> But the statement in question implied the carrier has no
>> input over the products they sell. My point is they
>> have a significant say in how they will work. My
>> contacts with PM&D have told me *they* set the
>> requirements, and Kyocera confirmed it. They won't even
>> fix a known bug until PM&D tells them to do it.

On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:17:47 -0500, Dana <dana@panix.com> wrote:

>Well, answer this question then, Why does it take them so long to have
>adaptive equipment then? They know that there are blind people that need
>to access the phones, but they won't do anything about it. I know that
>there was a blind group that threatned to sue the cell companies under the
>american disabilities act.

I don't work for VZW. Go ask them.

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 05:40:21 GMT, "Quick"
<quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

>I am guessing that the issue here is that cell phones are
>not considered a necessity like your landline would be.
>I am not aware that the automobile manufacturers are
>required to accomodate the handicapped either. I think
>all the modifications are after market.

But can you imagine? Designing an automobile for use by the *blind*?

Well damn, here goes the trolls again!! You ass hole.

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Mortimer Schnurd wrote:

>
> "Dana" <dana@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:Pine.NEB.4.63.0511232215190.15746@panix2.pani x.com...
>> Well, answer this question then, Why does it take them so long to have
>> adaptive equipment then? They know that there are blind people that need
>> to access the phones, but they won't do anything about it. I know that
>> there was a blind group that threatned to sue the cell companies under the
>> american disabilities act.
> Threaten to SUE the cell companies?
> This is exactly what I was talking about!
>
> **** YOU!!!! and the horse you rode in on. You sorry piece of crap!
> You DEMAND a phone that speaks? **** YOU again!
> They dont OWE it to you asswipe!
> Be nice, be willing to bring one to fruitation WITH them. Ask if you can
> help "spec" the device.
> Offer to test a prototype. Many of the phones now dial by voice and have
> verbal prompts (if you did your homework).
> But you choose to feel sorry for yourself, the world of cellular providers
> has nothing better to do but beat up/deny blind and/or sight
> impaired people (like you).
> I have news for you, when you even mention a lawsuit, no one is going to
> have anything to do with you. You become a problem, a liability and a ****
> magnet.
> I hope you can understand a simple concept.......
> You can ASK for anything you want....
> But you can demand NOTHING....
> Try this **** with Ford, GM or Chrysler. DEMAND a car that you can operate
> blindly. They OWE it to you damn it!
> Threaten to sue Gaffer's & Sattler because your home gas oven won't talk or
> understand your commands.What the hell is wrong with these manufactures
> anyways?
> And I am sure you are fit to be tied with your Kenmoore washer and dryer
> because it wont speak or listen to you too.
> Look, you self centered jerk, I am sure we all thank our lucky stars that we
> have our sight and other features. no one wishes this on you.
> But it's really hard to feel empathy or sorry for a jerk like you that wants
> to blame everything on others.Verizon didnt take your eyesight away, but
> it's THIER problem?
> You remind me of a time at the train station. I see a man with a red tipped
> cane. I ask him if he needs help with the ticket vending machine.
> His answer......
> YES! I want you to buy me a ticket to los angeles, the money is in my top
> pocket!
> No "please" no request for assistance. Just a demand for SERVICE. BUY ME A
> TICKET!
> I was willing to ASSIST him, show him how to work it on his own for next
> time, but no..that was not good enough. I walked away, I don't need that
> kind of ****.
> You are the same, you demand a voice prompted phone....
> Keep demanding...keep waiting...keep pissing people off.
>
>
>
>

You have a verry good point there quick. That is probably the answer right
there.

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Quick wrote:

> I am guessing that the issue here is that cell phones are
> not considered a necessity like your landline would be.
> I am not aware that the automobile manufacturers are
> required to accomodate the handicapped either. I think
> all the modifications are after market.
>
> If this is true then it comes down to whether there is a
> large enough market for for them to justify the development
> and manufacturing costs. I'm guessing that the talking menu
> phone you referred to covered the menus that would be most
> commonly used in a hands free application? Voice takes up
> a lot of memory.
>
> -Quick
>
> Dana wrote:
>> Well, answer this question then, Why does it take them so
>> long to have adaptive equipment then? They know that
>> there are blind people that need to access the phones,
>> but they won't do anything about it. I know that there
>> was a blind group that threatned to sue the cell
>> companies under the american disabilities act.
>>
>> On Sat, 19 Nov 2005, The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:01:33 GMT, "Quick"
>>> <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:03:56 GMT, "Mortimer Schnurd"
>>>>> <Mort@aarp.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The carrier (verizon) only sells what they are
>>>>>> supplied by associated manufactures.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is a misnomer. VZW sells what they order from the
>>>>> manufacturers. Their Product Marketing and Development
>>>>> Department sets all standards for phones used on their
>>>>> network, and they are responsible for all testing of
>>>>> said phones. That's why the same model phone will have
>>>>> certain features disabled on VZW's network, while they
>>>>> work on others.
>>>>
>>>> This may not be exactly how it works either. I believe
>>>> that manufacturers design particular models with a
>>>> particular feature set. Phones are designed to be
>>>> configurable or customized per order. Certainly they
>>>> have their larger customer's requirements in mind. As
>>>> much as possible
>>>> is done in software/firmware to accomodate this. I'm
>>>> sure there is cooperative work on future product ideas
>>>> and requirements and some phones are probably
>>>> developed primarily with a certain customer in mind but,
>>>> basically I believe it's the manufacturers that come up
>>>> with the basic products and feature set. Keep in mind
>>>> they are making products for a global market.
>>>
>>> But the statement in question implied the carrier has no
>>> input over the products they sell. My point is they
>>> have a significant say in how they will work. My
>>> contacts with PM&D have told me *they* set the
>>> requirements, and Kyocera confirmed it. They won't even
>>> fix a known bug until PM&D tells them to do it.
>
>
>

Dana wrote:
> Well damn, here goes the trolls again!! You ass hole.

Very perceptive of you. You are dealing with one of usenet's most
prolific trolls. "Mortimer Schnurd" is none other than the sociopath
Chuck.K. Chuckles the Klown has been driven from
Alt.Vacation.Las-Vegas, rec.cruises , etc., etc. Chuck was nominated
for alt.kooks kook of the month and lost in a hard fought close
election. If you google him you will find tens of thousands of trolling
posts. The only reason that the recent ones are gone is that he was
sued a number of times and took to no archiving his posts. Just a
friendly heads up.Do not take anything the guy says seriously.

<normzauchin@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1132932082.047762.23220@g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Dana wrote:
> > Well damn, here goes the trolls again!! You ass hole.
>
> Very perceptive of you. You are dealing with one of usenet's most
> prolific trolls. "Mortimer Schnurd" is none other than the sociopath
> Chuck.K. Chuckles the Klown has been driven from BLAH BLAH BLAH
While you might not agree with my viewpoint You certainly have me confused
with another.
Check out the respective IP address, mine is not conceiled or thru any
"Anonomizer" sites.
I have never been "Chuck K,Chuckles the Klown" nor do I even know him.....
Try researching first Norm....

And then you should sue Automobile manufacturers for not providing a car you
can drive! Let alone the fact that 99.9 percent of all computer software
does not have audible menus. Sue all the software manufacturers. And we
should all sue toilet paper manufacturers as I still have to wipe my ass
myself. Hey, they do not have it as it is probably cost prohibitive to have
it done for know. And legally if it is cost prohibitive, then they do not
have to provide it for you. It is not an essential need. ANd Dana i'll call
you THE TROLL!

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