Verizon won't let me replace analog phone

We have a old analog plan with low monthly fees, 2 phones and no free
minutes. The only charge for the 2nd phone is the minutes used on it..
I wanted to replace one of the phones with a used newer model. Verizon says
they can't activate a analog phone that doesn't have some kind of special
911 support. They said FCC laws won't let them. They said there were no new
analog phones that can be used on our existing plan. They said if our old
phones died we'd couldnt get analog phones to continue our existing plan.
Our old phones are MicroTAC 650's The newer phone I wanted to use is a
MicroTAC Elite. How much of what they told me is true..

In article <f9Jyf.12839$Di.2353@trnddc06>, JOHN D
<jawnd393one@yahoo.com> wrote:

> How much of what they told me is true.

There was a deadline of December 31 set by the FCC by which 95% of all
Verizon customers were required to have E911 phones. (they did not
quite make it and have requested a deadline extension). In order to
meet the requirement they have stopped activating phones that are not
E911.

--
Charles

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:52:27 GMT, "JOHN D" <jawnd393one@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>How much of what they told me is true.

All of it.

A_C

"JOHN D" <jawnd393one@yahoo.com> wrote in news:f9Jyf.12839$Di.2353
@trnddc06:

> How much of what they told me is true..
>

None of it. If you were an analog customer, they must allow you analog
service, last time I asked the FCC, not the carriers....unless that has
changed very recently.

Email the FCC at fccinfo@fcc.gov and ask them. They don't bite. If they
tell you the carrier must still provide you AMPS service, reply to that
email and ask them, very nicely, to call your carrier's phone number to
inform them of their responsibility. Give the FCC your specific phone
number, account number, etc. so they can address this issue for you,
personally. I bet your old bagphone will be back on the air in no
time...(c;

Everyone is always more cooperative when it's the cops askin' the
questions....

Larry wrote:
> "JOHN D" <jawnd393one@yahoo.com> wrote in news:f9Jyf.12839$Di.2353
> @trnddc06:
>
>
>>How much of what they told me is true..
>>
>
>
> None of it. If you were an analog customer, they must allow you analog
> service, last time I asked the FCC, not the carriers....unless that has
> changed very recently.
>
> Email the FCC at fccinfo@fcc.gov and ask them. They don't bite. If they
> tell you the carrier must still provide you AMPS service, reply to that
> email and ask them, very nicely, to call your carrier's phone number to
> inform them of their responsibility. Give the FCC your specific phone
> number, account number, etc. so they can address this issue for you,
> personally. I bet your old bagphone will be back on the air in no
> time...(c;
>
> Everyone is always more cooperative when it's the cops askin' the
> questions....
>

The phone must have GPS for 911 the phone does not have GPS
capabilities, nothing to do with it being analog.


--
Bruce E. Stemplewski
GarXface OCX and C++ Class Library for the Garmin GPS
www.stempsoft.com

"Bruce E. Stemplewski" <Bruce.Stemplewski@removenospamstempsoft.com> wrote
in message news:7KOyf.307$Iw3.37@trndny06...
> Larry wrote:
>> "JOHN D" <jawnd393one@yahoo.com> wrote in news:f9Jyf.12839$Di.2353
>> @trnddc06:
>>
>>
>>>How much of what they told me is true..
>>>
>>
>>
>> None of it. If you were an analog customer, they must allow you analog
>> service, last time I asked the FCC, not the carriers....unless that has
>> changed very recently.
>>
>> Email the FCC at fccinfo@fcc.gov and ask them. They don't bite. If they
>> tell you the carrier must still provide you AMPS service, reply to that
>> email and ask them, very nicely, to call your carrier's phone number to
>> inform them of their responsibility. Give the FCC your specific phone
>> number, account number, etc. so they can address this issue for you,
>> personally. I bet your old bagphone will be back on the air in no
>> time...(c;
>>
>> Everyone is always more cooperative when it's the cops askin' the
>> questions....
>>
>
> The phone must have GPS for 911 the phone does not have GPS capabilities,
> nothing to do with it being analog.
>
>
> --
> Bruce E. Stemplewski
> GarXface OCX and C++ Class Library for the Garmin GPS
> www.stempsoft.com

What phones that are analog only have gps ?

>We have a old analog plan with low monthly fees, 2 phones and no free
>minutes. The only charge for the 2nd phone is the minutes used on it..
>I wanted to replace one of the phones with a used newer model. Verizon says
>they can't activate a analog phone that doesn't have some kind of special
>911 support. They said FCC laws won't let them. They said there were no new
>analog phones that can be used on our existing plan. They said if our old
>phones died we'd couldnt get analog phones to continue our existing plan.
>Our old phones are MicroTAC 650's The newer phone I wanted to use is a
>MicroTAC Elite. How much of what they told me is true..

Ask them why you can't use an E911 digital/analgue phone.

-Joel

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>Ask them why you can't use an E911 digital/analgue phone.

Sorry to follow up on my own message. Once you have a
digital/analogue phone, you can probably turn off digital reception.
My Audiovox (Toshiba, really) lets me do this from a hidden menu. I
sometimes do turn off the digital mode because I sometimes work in an
area where there's enough digital signal to make the phone ring but to
have a conversation. Sigh.

-Joel

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In article <GxPyf.8046$0Z.6933@fe04.lga>,
"kevin weaver" <kevinweaver1@charter.net> wrote:

> >>>How much of what they told me is true..
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> None of it. If you were an analog customer, they must allow you analog
> >> service, last time I asked the FCC, not the carriers....unless that has
> >> changed very recently.
> >>
> >> Email the FCC at fccinfo@fcc.gov and ask them. They don't bite. If they
> >> tell you the carrier must still provide you AMPS service, reply to that
> >> email and ask them, very nicely, to call your carrier's phone number to
> >> inform them of their responsibility. Give the FCC your specific phone
> >> number, account number, etc. so they can address this issue for you,
> >> personally. I bet your old bagphone will be back on the air in no
> >> time...(c;
> >>
> >> Everyone is always more cooperative when it's the cops askin' the
> >> questions....
> >>
> >
> > The phone must have GPS for 911 the phone does not have GPS capabilities,
> > nothing to do with it being analog.

>
> What phones that are analog only have gps ?


None, because GPS on cell phones didn't exist in the days that
analog-only phones were manufactured. There are even plenty of tri-mode
phones that don't have GPS: I have a drawer full of TimePorts, v60c's
and v60i's I kept as back-up phones which VZW will now no longer allow
me to activate.


--Mike

Larry wrote:
> If you were an analog customer, they must allow you analog
> service, last time I asked the FCC, not the carriers....unless that has
> changed very recently.
>
This is an ongoing line of wishful thinking that Larry constantly
dishes out. The FCC only requires that if a customer has an activated
analog phone it must be supported by existing analog infrastructure.
That infrastructure must be maintained (at least at minimum levels)
until February 2008. That's another one Larry likes to play with. You
can find multiple posts where he states that the FCC has made changes
to the original sunset date. It has never been adjusted and the
probability that will happen is extremely low.

No provider is required to activate new or replacement analog phones,
even for those customers who currently use analog only. They can't
discontinue service to analog only users until February 2008, but only
if the users continue to use the same phones.

In actuality, the FCC does not prevent carriers from activating
individual analog phones. As stated, though, Verizon and other carriers
are tightening the screws to get in compliance with the 95%. Verizon's
Terms of Service state that they will only activate specific devices.
Analog only devices are not included.

The only way you might have leverage on this would be if VZW renewed
your grandfathered contract without requiring a change in equipment.
Then, you might have a stronger argument that replacement analog
equipment should be supported. Otherwise, not much chance.

The information relayed to you is company policy based on FCC
realities. So while it wasn't stated perfectly ("FCC laws won't let
them"), the answer was correct.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:12:16 GMT, joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman)
wrote:

>>Ask them why you can't use an E911 digital/analgue phone.
>
>Sorry to follow up on my own message. Once you have a
>digital/analogue phone, you can probably turn off digital reception.
>My Audiovox (Toshiba, really) lets me do this from a hidden menu. I
>sometimes do turn off the digital mode because I sometimes work in an
>area where there's enough digital signal to make the phone ring but to
>have a conversation. Sigh.
>

This issue really has absolutely nothing to do with analog. You
*MUST* have a GPS enabled phone to be activated on VZW now. No
exceptions. If the GPS enabled phone you activate happens to have
analog capability, then fine.

Now, if they are in an area served by digital and analog service,
there wouldn't be a need lock it into analog only. The only reason
analog got brought up in this thread is because the OP has an 'analog
only' phone now. If they had a digital capable phone, then VZW would
have put them on a digital plan (which would have allowed analog
usage, where available).

"The Ghost of General Lee" <ghost@general.lee> wrote in message
> This issue really has absolutely nothing to do with analog. You
> *MUST* have a GPS enabled phone to be activated on VZW now. No
> exceptions. If the GPS enabled phone you activate happens to have
> analog capability, then fine.
>


JoshIII asks the question:

I can't take my old deactivated Alltel / Nokia 5185 (CDMA trimode) ESN
and
go to the VZW website and type in the ESN to activate it?

I know the old 5185 is not GPS enabled.

JoshIII,16JAN06
Prepaid questions? Just ask!
http://pasofinosc.tripod.com

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:35:11 -0500, "JoshIII"
<josh3iREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"The Ghost of General Lee" <ghost@general.lee> wrote in message
>> This issue really has absolutely nothing to do with analog. You
>> *MUST* have a GPS enabled phone to be activated on VZW now. No
>> exceptions. If the GPS enabled phone you activate happens to have
>> analog capability, then fine.
>>
>
>
>JoshIII asks the question:
>
>I can't take my old deactivated Alltel / Nokia 5185 (CDMA trimode) ESN
>and
>go to the VZW website and type in the ESN to activate it?

You can try, but it's been established for a while that VZW will not
activate a non-VZW phone, nor a VZW phone that is not GPS enabled.
Alltel used to activate non-Alltel CDMA phones, but no longer.

>I know the old 5185 is not GPS enabled.

Then chances are it will not allow you to activate it. As I said, you
can try, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

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>
>>
>> What phones that are analog only have gps ?
>
>
> None, because GPS on cell phones didn't exist in the days that
> analog-only phones were manufactured. There are even plenty of tri-mode
> phones that don't have GPS: I have a drawer full of TimePorts, v60c's
> and v60i's I kept as back-up phones which VZW will now no longer allow
> me to activate.
>
I'm still using my LG VX-10 which is tri-mode but not GPS capable. It suits
my needs perfectly and I have no intention of changing phones until it quits
working or I'm somehow forced into changing.

Don in Tracy, Calif.