Re: The iPhone's Top Pros and Cons

Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote
>>>>>> avery23455@hotmail.com (Avery) wrote

>>>>>>> which is all the more surprising since it's a touch-screen

>>>>>> I can't WAIT to see that first cellphone bill after the touch
>>>>>> screen has been in a shirt pocket touching the pens and
>>>>>> glasses or the stuff it touched on a holster/pouch...(c;

>>>>>> No WONDER cellphone companies want us to have it....REVENUES!

>>>>> It's got a lock. I don't understand the problem.

>>>> The problem is remembering to lock it.

>>> A lot easier than the logistical nightmare for functionality
>>> for performing tasks on any of the smartphones and
>>> PDAs out there (and I have a Treo).

>> You wanna try a Nokia.

>>> I'll take this any day.

>> I wont on the lack of support for third party apps alone.

> Yes, just what we need, more poorly written 3rd party apps that crash the unit.

Anyone with a clue uses 3rd party apps that dont.

And an OS that stops that from happening too.

> I have a few of these on my Treo. Opera Mini, for example.

More fool you.

> I'm happy Apple is keeping a handle on this.

More fool you.

>> I like the idea of a touch screen, I love my TomTom.

> Like the Garmin I use the car. Love it.

Yeah, never go back to paper crap again.

BUT I wasnt to be able to run a decent app like TomTom 6 on the ipod too.

Makes no sense to have to have a separate GPS.

In article <5eaj9nF36s5q4U2@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> >> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
> >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
> >>>>> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote
> >>>>>> avery23455@hotmail.com (Avery) wrote
>
> >>>>>>> which is all the more surprising since it's a touch-screen
>
> >>>>>> I can't WAIT to see that first cellphone bill after the touch
> >>>>>> screen has been in a shirt pocket touching the pens and
> >>>>>> glasses or the stuff it touched on a holster/pouch...(c;
>
> >>>>>> No WONDER cellphone companies want us to have it....REVENUES!
>
> >>>>> It's got a lock. I don't understand the problem.
>
> >>>> The problem is remembering to lock it.
>
> >>> A lot easier than the logistical nightmare for functionality
> >>> for performing tasks on any of the smartphones and
> >>> PDAs out there (and I have a Treo).
>
> >> You wanna try a Nokia.


Better, but still not good enough.
>
> >>> I'll take this any day.
>
> >> I wont on the lack of support for third party apps alone.
>
> > Yes, just what we need, more poorly written 3rd party apps that crash the
> > unit.
>
> Anyone with a clue uses 3rd party apps that dont.

Techies. Regular folks are SOL.

>
> And an OS that stops that from happening too.
>
> > I have a few of these on my Treo. Opera Mini, for example.
>
> More fool you.
>
> > I'm happy Apple is keeping a handle on this.
>
> More fool you.
>
> >> I like the idea of a touch screen, I love my TomTom.
>
> > Like the Garmin I use the car. Love it.
>
> Yeah, never go back to paper crap again.
>
> BUT I wasnt to be able to run a decent app like TomTom 6 on the ipod too.
>
> Makes no sense to have to have a separate GPS.

Spoken like a true nerd :-)

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Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> avery23455@hotmail.com (Avery) wrote

>>>>>>>>> which is all the more surprising since it's a touch-screen

>>>>>>>> I can't WAIT to see that first cellphone bill after the touch
>>>>>>>> screen has been in a shirt pocket touching the pens and
>>>>>>>> glasses or the stuff it touched on a holster/pouch...(c;

>>>>>>>> No WONDER cellphone companies want us to have it....REVENUES!

>>>>>>> It's got a lock. I don't understand the problem.

>>>>>> The problem is remembering to lock it.

>>>>> A lot easier than the logistical nightmare for functionality
>>>>> for performing tasks on any of the smartphones and
>>>>> PDAs out there (and I have a Treo).

>>>> You wanna try a Nokia.

> Better, but still not good enough.

It remains to be seen if even the iphone is more intuitive.

Ipods arent as intuitive as nokias.

>>>>> I'll take this any day.

>>>> I wont on the lack of support for third party apps alone.

>>> Yes, just what we need, more poorly
>>> written 3rd party apps that crash the unit.

>> Anyone with a clue uses 3rd party apps that dont.

> Techies. Regular folks are SOL.

Nope, even those can see what techys say work fine.

>> And an OS that stops that from happening too.

>>> I have a few of these on my Treo. Opera Mini, for example.

>> More fool you.

>>> I'm happy Apple is keeping a handle on this.

>> More fool you.

>>>> I like the idea of a touch screen, I love my TomTom.

>>> Like the Garmin I use the car. Love it.

>> Yeah, never go back to paper crap again.

>> BUT I want to be able to run a decent app like TomTom 6 on the iphone too.

>> Makes no sense to have to have a separate GPS.

> Spoken like a true nerd :-)

Yeah, I wanna replace the keys and credit cards with it too |-)

And the remotes as well.

In article <1182763278.265153.193960@a26g2000pre.googlegroups .com>,
zeez <UltimaUW@excite.com> wrote:

> > Same with System files; the OS prevents access not because Apple
> > assumes they are the only ones who know anything, but because the
>
> There is a reason why assume is known as ASS-U-ME. Apple dosen't
> always know best, and
> no company should ever think they know best.
Sorry, but that doesn't wash at all. Every company has to decide what
to do about their product design. They do know best about what they are
trying to do. It doesn't mean you should be allowed to do nothing else.
Lots of things operate this way: restaurants know how they want to cook
food, and you go to buy it under THEIR conditions. They know how they
want to arrange the resturant, and you visit in their conditions. It
isn't going to appearl to every visitor, but it can work, and there can
be lots of changes made, and if you know how you want the food changed,
they can accommodate.
To say the restaurant has no right to decide how to decorate or planto
prepare food in the first place is just ridiculous.

> > reliability of the system can hang on not allowing a user with a bare
> > clue to do something stupid.
>
> That seems to be the problem with the industry these days. Because a
> newbie *might* screw up
> the system, they have to lock it it down so *nobody* can access the
> innards.
Sorry; you weren't reading ANYTHING properly.
Because newbies probably would screw up a system, they put in
reasonable and established safeguards to prove you know what you are
doing in a sufficiently technical manner.
You can change all kinds of things in Unix systems -- but yes, you have
to know how a Unix system works and is built and altered. That's
nothing like preventing EVERYBODY from accessing such things!

> > So, I want to ask something:
> > If a device gives you access to all of the files YOU created or moved
> > to it, is that enough? It is certainly appropriate, but the demands
>
> Many products dosen't even allow the user direct access to the files
> of own content they put on there
> (whether it's a download song or something they created).
Are you avoiding the question?

> > Actually, you are leaving out a really really HUGE aspect: that the
> > things most of these companies are putting are the functions people
> > actually want and need.
>
> There is still no way they can anticipate all needs. If a user needs
> a function and it isn't there,
> instead of being able to download a utility from a third party
> (freeware or shareware), he or she gets
> to sit there hoping and praying that the company might come around to
> doing it.
Yes, agreed. But these kinds of devices are not likely to create such
needs very often. In fact, almost all users may find everything they
need to do on it.
See, the difference is that you are assuming people will fiddle with it
and try to use it in lots of other yet-unimagined ways. I am saying
that the people that some product appeal to suggest NOT doing that --
that it already does what they want. It is very possible that iPhone
will do all such things. I don't think you have any reason to suggest
that this is going to be seen as a pocket computer.

> > It's fine that you have different demands of some devices -- I'm sure
> > you can come up with lots of ways to fiddle with them. But typical
> > users and buyers are not being cheated because a few guys want to
> > fiddle with how it works.
> > Most need what these devices do, and don't need to push and pull at
> > it's innards.
>
> Not everyone is a grandma or a teenybopper, and unfortunately,
> companies ASS-U-ME that just about
> everyone who uses their products is one of the above, and people who
> use their devices to actualy
> do stuff out of the MTV-Hollywood-Pop-culture norm get left out in the
> cold. Yes, it really is getting
> that bad. Most of the phones I see at an electronics store these days
> are full of crapware that focus
> on getting people to download the latest pop "tune" or annoying ring
> tone, or video clips of the slop
> that's on TV.
Wow-- a non-sequitur rant against pop culture.
Amazing that you think it applies in ANY way against iPhone.
Do you really have a reason to think iPhone is directed to grandmothers
and teenyboppers? Do you see Apple focusing on MTV users and
advertising clips? Jeez, they don't even sell ring tones, their ads are
mainstream consumers, apparently well above the MTV audience, and
obviously higher than high-school disposable income levels.
I agree with you on the points above; certainly most of the world phone
usage emphasizes activities with high cost and minimal return, like
ring tones and wallpapers. But I wouldn't accuse Apple of trying any of
those, especially since they emphasize using your own images, using
your own music, and using all of the features of the device.

In article <5eat5hF37rng2U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > Spoken like a true nerd :-)
>
> Yeah, I wanna replace the keys and credit cards with it too |-)
>
> And the remotes as well.

One of my friends who's a biker and an engineer at JPL was contemplating
getting a tattoo on his upper chest of a pocket protector (with pens
sticking out).
Too cool.

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Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Spoken like a true nerd :-)

>> Yeah, I wanna replace the keys and credit cards with it too |-)

>> And the remotes as well.

> One of my friends who's a biker and an engineer at JPL was
> contemplating getting a tattoo on his upper chest of a pocket
> protector (with pens sticking out).
> Too cool.

I'm not that bad. I do have the house aggressively automated tho.

On 6/25/07 5:00 PM, in article rVWfi.6787$n9.926@bignews8.bellsouth.net, "Dr
zara" <spook@verizon.net> wrote:

>
> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:C2A566D1.2DBBF%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/24/07 4:45 PM, in article
>> bMSdnW7e46FseOPbnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com,
>> "MuahMan" <muahman@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:C2A42FA2.2DA74%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/24/07 1:55 PM, in article
>>>> l6zfi.2407$c_4.1166@bignews2.bellsouth.net,
>>>> "Dr zara" <spook@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:C2A41CB0.2DA54%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/24/07 12:32 PM, in article
>>>>>> pUxfi.2368$c_4.1483@bignews2.bellsouth.net,
>>>>>> "Dr zara" <spook@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:elmop-7CFEDE.08524924062007@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
>>>>>>>> In article <1182675659.405839.301440@d30g2000prg.googlegroups .com>,
>>>>>>>> zeez <UltimaUW@excite.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Remember when we were all going to be running JAVA programs from
>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>> central (read that metered) server? They've never given up on
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> idea....centralized control.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Blech. They can switch me when hell freezes over.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The only "Trusted Computer" for me is one that I have complete
>>>>>>>>> control over and know exactly
>>>>>>>>> what is running.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I understand the iPhone comes with a piece of foil in the
>>>>>>>> package--and
>>>>>>>> when you first fire up the phone, it tells you how to make a hat out
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Almost a waste of money - most of the apple products users already
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> tin
>>>>>>> foil hats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> If that post was intended as a joke, you forgot to include the punch
>>>>>> line.
>>>>>> Do yourself and everyone else a favor: take a fatal overdose of your
>>>>>> medication. You are a cruelly foolish subhuman and a ludicrous,
>>>>>> maliciously
>>>>>> malodorous pedantic peremptory pedagogue.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you are an Asshole, with a capitol "A". I'm still waiting to send
>>>>> that
>>>>> ice pick. I'll send you a .38 if you promise to eat a bullet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That post is written by something so confused, it doesn't know whether
>>>> to
>>>> scratch its watch or wind its ass. How about putting that into proper
>>>> syntax, form, and grammar so that I can at least understand what you are
>>>> saying before I dismiss it? You make me believe in reincarnation. Nobody
>>>> can
>>>> be as stupid as you in one lifetime
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think he's saying you are a useless Apple shill on the verge of going
>>> on a
>>> VT like shooting spree.
>> WTF is your facination with VT? Are you also "mistreated" like our late
>> little booger-eating Seung-Hui? Do us a favor and only get ONE .357 round,
>> open wide and suck on the barrel, not doc zero's 'spore'.
>
> Spoken like the Cock lapper you are.
>
>
YOU are the one "muah-ing" YOUR man.

<<<<Slurp!>>>>>>

Lick it up, Zero!

The ****in' IRONY!

I guess the reason you are so involved with scatology is you simply cannot
help it.

On 6/25/07 4:58 PM, in article nUWfi.6781$n9.3681@bignews8.bellsouth.net,
"Dr zara" <spook@verizon.net> wrote:

>
> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:C2A53A04.2DB67%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/24/07 6:11 PM, in article ESCfi.171$vg1.124@bigfe9.bellsouth.net, "Dr
>> zara" <spook@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "MuahMan" <muahman@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:bMSdnW7e46FseOPbnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>
>>>> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:C2A42FA2.2DA74%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/24/07 1:55 PM, in article
>>>>> l6zfi.2407$c_4.1166@bignews2.bellsouth.net,
>>>>> "Dr zara" <spook@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:C2A41CB0.2DA54%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/24/07 12:32 PM, in article
>>>>>>> pUxfi.2368$c_4.1483@bignews2.bellsouth.net,
>>>>>>> "Dr zara" <spook@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:elmop-7CFEDE.08524924062007@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
>>>>>>>>> In article <1182675659.405839.301440@d30g2000prg.googlegroups .com>,
>>>>>>>>> zeez <UltimaUW@excite.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Remember when we were all going to be running JAVA programs from
>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>> central (read that metered) server? They've never given up on
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> idea....centralized control.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Blech. They can switch me when hell freezes over.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The only "Trusted Computer" for me is one that I have complete
>>>>>>>>>> control over and know exactly
>>>>>>>>>> what is running.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I understand the iPhone comes with a piece of foil in the
>>>>>>>>> package--and
>>>>>>>>> when you first fire up the phone, it tells you how to make a hat
>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Almost a waste of money - most of the apple products users already
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> tin
>>>>>>>> foil hats.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If that post was intended as a joke, you forgot to include the punch
>>>>>>> line.
>>>>>>> Do yourself and everyone else a favor: take a fatal overdose of your
>>>>>>> medication. You are a cruelly foolish subhuman and a ludicrous,
>>>>>>> maliciously
>>>>>>> malodorous pedantic peremptory pedagogue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you are an Asshole, with a capitol "A". I'm still waiting to send
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> ice pick. I'll send you a .38 if you promise to eat a bullet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> That post is written by something so confused, it doesn't know whether
>>>>> to
>>>>> scratch its watch or wind its ass. How about putting that into proper
>>>>> syntax, form, and grammar so that I can at least understand what you
>>>>> are
>>>>> saying before I dismiss it? You make me believe in reincarnation.
>>>>> Nobody
>>>>> can
>>>>> be as stupid as you in one lifetime
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think he's saying you are a useless Apple shill on the verge of going
>>>> on
>>>> a VT like shooting spree. He's suggesting your kill yourself before you
>>>> turn on others when you realize how empty and meaningless your life is.
>>>
>>> The Dickhead claims that he doesn't "understand" what I'm saying. He
>>> understands perfectly. He's a "Class A" Asshole. How much plainer can I
>>> make it. He should do us all a favor and off himself. Last week he said
>>> he'd rather be blind than listen to me. He should get his wish.
>>>
>>>
>> You pole-smoking, father-molesting, armpit-sniffing, tit-sucking,
>> hemorrhoid-nibbling, cock-headed wankstain! What possessed you to think
>> that you were capable of being entertaining or interesting to read? Maybe
>> you wouldn't be such a Jackass if you'd had enough oxygen at birth. But
>> there is hope for you and your butt-buddy - hydrocephalus can be
>> controlled:
>> I have a cordless Dewalt for your problem. We know that you would give
>> your
>> life for us. Promise, please!
>
> Disjointed rants from Dickheads like you, is why I love it here.
> I can just picture your beet red face and bulging neck veins. Here's hoping
> you get a stroke.
>
If you called the Suicide Hotline, they'd say: "Go ahead. Do it!"

Rod Speed wrote:
>> One of my friends who's a biker and an engineer at JPL was
>> contemplating getting a tattoo on his upper chest of a pocket
>> protector (with pens sticking out).
>> Too cool.
>
> I'm not that bad. I do have the house aggressively automated tho.

But I am.....John Deere tatoo and augmented GPS on tractor.