Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone

"Oxford" <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in message
news:colalovesmacs-88CE63.12564117102007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net...
> expect sales of WinMobile, Symbian and Blackberries to dry up within a
> year. this is good news for everyone!

Not unless prices on iPhones drop significantly. Many people just don't use
any 3rd-party applications on their phone in the first place -- probably at
least 2/3rd of them: They're buying a phone based on what it can do "out of
the box" and price.

But I agree it's good news that Apple's opening up the iPhone to proper
development.

In article <13hcqqbi987vp68@corp.supernews.com>,
"Joel Koltner" <JKolstad71HatesSpam@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Oxford" <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:colalovesmacs-88CE63.12564117102007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net...
> > expect sales of WinMobile, Symbian and Blackberries to dry up within a
> > year. this is good news for everyone!
>
> Not unless prices on iPhones drop significantly. Many people just don't use
> any 3rd-party applications on their phone in the first place -- probably at
> least 2/3rd of them: They're buying a phone based on what it can do "out of
> the box" and price.


The reason most people don't use phones with 3rd party apps is because
they didn't come installed in them.

And then they'd need to pay extra for any of the good (i.e. stable)
programs and have to go through a download and installation process.

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"Joel Koltner" <JKolstad71HatesSpam@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > expect sales of WinMobile, Symbian and Blackberries to dry up within a
> > year. this is good news for everyone!
>
> Not unless prices on iPhones drop significantly.

well, we all know that is going to happen within 24 months, an iPhone
nano for $199 is in the works, a $99 iPhone within 36 months. Apple
ALWAYS starts at the top and works its way down the price scale. So it's
only a question "of when" Apple sweeps out the lower handset makers.

> Many people just don't use
> any 3rd-party applications on their phone in the first place --

ah... WHAT? I think you must be using Windows. In the Apple world,
people use whatever they want since it's so EASY to try new software.

In the Windows world everyone has been "conditioned" to not try new
software, but nothing like that exists in the Apple space since there
are no penalties for using new software. The iPhone is the PERFECT
device to try new software without any risk. Plus it's FAR easier to
install / remove software on Macs / iPhones...

So I just had to LAUGH at that since that's a pure Windows issue, not an
Apple or iPhone one.

> probably at
> least 2/3rd of them: They're buying a phone based on what it can do "out of
> the box" and price.

But Apple will change all that... basically, the cell industry plays
under Apple's rule from this point forward. Everyone wants an iPhone
since it's more feature packed and far easier to use than any other cell
phone... we all know that. So once Apple moves the iPhone down the price
scale, it will remove "most" handset makers out of the market.

> But I agree it's good news that Apple's opening up the iPhone to proper
> development.

Yes, it's going to be a massive wave of innovation never before seen by
the cell industry. Never has such a large computer firm entered the cell
space, and since the cell industry is very uncompetitive, Apple will
wipe out much of what exists today... so it's going to fun to watch them
fall.

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Joel Koltner <JKolstad71HatesSpam@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Oxford" <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:colalovesmacs-88CE63.12564117102007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net...
> > expect sales of WinMobile, Symbian and Blackberries to dry up within a
> > year. this is good news for everyone!
>
> Not unless prices on iPhones drop significantly. Many people just don't use
> any 3rd-party applications on their phone in the first place -- probably at
> least 2/3rd of them: They're buying a phone based on what it can do "out of
> the box" and price.

It also applies to the iPod Touch.

For anyone wanting an advanced highly portable computer, but doesn't
need the additional features of the iPhone (or the long term contract)
this makes the iPod Touch even more interesting.

The PDA market isn't as large as the cellphone market, but the iPod
Touch, iPhone or a future slightly larger model with full PDA
functionality and third party application support will be very
competitive with other brands and platforms, and could easily take over
that market.

> But I agree it's good news that Apple's opening up the iPhone to proper
> development.

This has removed one of my main reasons for not considering an iPod
Touch or an iPhone as a potential replacement for my dying Palm Treo
600. I do use third party software on my Treo and would like to be able
to do so on a replacement device.

I don't want to go to Windows Mobile because it doesn't work well with
the Mac.

Palm has dropped the ball on PalmOS, and a device based on OS X is far
more appealing to me as a Mac user.

I want a device which has full iPod, PDA and cellphone functionality.

If I can't get all three, I'm willing to sacrifice the phone (use a
cheap cellphone instead) but keep portable music and PDA functions on
one device.
--
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

In article <13hcqqbi987vp68@corp.supernews.com>,
"Joel Koltner" <JKolstad71HatesSpam@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Oxford" <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:colalovesmacs-88CE63.12564117102007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net...
> > expect sales of WinMobile, Symbian and Blackberries to dry up within a
> > year. this is good news for everyone!
>
> Not unless prices on iPhones drop significantly. Many people just don't use
> any 3rd-party applications on their phone in the first place -- probably at
> least 2/3rd of them: They're buying a phone based on what it can do "out of
> the box" and price.

You're making the mistake of comparing the iPhone's price to the price
of other phones. You might want to consider that the iPhone in the first
phone on the market which can reasonably take the place of an iPod, and
look at what people will happily pay for iPods.

(And yes, I'm quite aware there have been other music player phones, but
as we see in the music player market itself, most people don't consider
other music players to be reasonable iPod substitutes.)

Anyway, I'd expect Apple to be pretty aggressive with pricing. Because
they sell 80% of the world's music players, they can probably get better
prices on most components than their competitors.

> But I agree it's good news that Apple's opening up the iPhone to proper
> development.

--
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out any other way."
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> Yes, it's going to be a massive wave of innovation never before seen by
> the cell industry. Never has such a large computer firm entered the cell
> space, and since the cell industry is very uncompetitive, Apple will
> wipe out much of what exists today... so it's going to fun to watch them
> fall.

Do you just sit and home and jerk yourself off to this nonsense? Yeesh, get
a clue.

On Oct 17, 7:48 pm, Oxford <colalovesm...@mac.com> wrote:
> Everyone wants an iPhone
> since it's more feature packed and far easier to use than any other cell
> phone... we all know that. So once Apple moves the iPhone down the price
> scale, it will remove "most" handset makers out of the market.

Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves. The iPhone has a great touch-
screen interface and a great browser, and that's why I got one. But as
an actual phone it kinda sucks. The form factor is unwieldy and too
slippery, the earpiece is too quiet, the ring is too quiet, the
vibration setting can be barely felt, and the crippled SMS
functionality was clearly designed by someone who knows nothing about
how people actually use text messaging. It's a cool gadget, but it's
NOT a good phone.

I still got one despite all this because I wanted the big screen with
Google Maps and a full(er) browser, but it was a compromise for me.
The iPhone could be so much more than what it is.

That said, I'm excited about Apple allowing 3rd party software. Maybe
someone will fix the piss-awful SMS application that doesn't allow
sending text messages to more than one person at a time, or even
forwarding text messages, or even sending/receiving MMS.

Hmm... Now I wonder if Apple crippled the iPhone on purpose so they
could make money from 3rd-party apps. I bet that Apple will set things
up so they'll get a cut from every 3rd-party app sold.

-Gniewko

Mark Crispin <MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:

> Well, duh! What did you expect? The iPhone is a high-end iPod that is
> also a phone and Internet access device. As such, it is first and
> foremost an iPod. Telephony and Internet are afterthoughts.

Mark Crispin, always the clueless wonder. The iPod is the afterthought,
the phone is a marvel, best in class of any smartphone. The internet is
the "primary" focus.

> > I still got one despite all this because I wanted the big screen with
> > Google Maps and a full(er) browser, but it was a compromise for me.
>
> It is not only not a particular good phone, it also is not a particularly
> good Internet access device. The screen resolution is too tiny.

Don't you realize with a flick of two fingers you can increase the size
of any page on the web? And these are REAL pages, not crappy "phone"
sized pages... but the REAL way you see it. Plus you much better
resolution on the iPhone compared to any other smartphone. Everything is
crisp and clear.

> The Nokia N800 or a UMPC (such as the Sony UX series) make much better
> Internet access devices. Nobody who has either a Nokia N800 or UMPC is
> particularly impressed with the iPhone's Internet capability. What's
> more, both are open platforms: Linux on the Nokia N800 (and you can
> develop your own applications for it) and Windows on a UMPC.

Only if you don't have a lot of demands. The N800 is like looking at a
decade old device compared to the iPhone. And linux on a phone will
never take off, it's just not a robust enough platform for such a small
device. The graphics alone make a linux based phone unusable.

> > The iPhone could be so much more than what it is.
>
> Of course, but it won't; Steve Jobs wants to make it as cheaply as
> possible and sell for as much as possible.

As of this moment the iPhone is the best built smart phone in the world,
best batter life, thinnest, best screen, etc, etc. And it's the cheapest!

The fat openmoko has a tiny screen, poor battery life, and is going to
be $450 with less than HALF the iPhone features.

> Apple is absolutely NOT interested in having open development for the
> iPhone. They made that abundantly clear.

Apple is more concerned with making a USABLE phone by millions, so that
means developers must step up to a higher level and not try and cheat
the user like Linux and Nokia love to do.

Mark, you are clearly out of touch with what is happening. The iPhone
will be the primary phone for the next 20 years or so, so LEARN to
develop for it... it's PURE UNIX under the hood, not amateurish Linux.

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lubecki@hotmail.com wrote in news:1192803855.482134.73640
@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> I still got one despite all this because I wanted the big screen with
> Google Maps and a full(er) browser, but it was a compromise for me.
> The iPhone could be so much more than what it is.
>
>

http://europe.nokia.com/A4579471

Nokia's Linux Maemo OS2008 for the N800 and new N810 (slideout keyboard),
has a great looking map program that upgrades to Wayfinder premium service.

Click MAP to take a look.

I just bought the N800 and installed two 8GB SDHC cards in it. Fantastic
Linux box on OS2007 and I'll upgrade to OS2008 for the new toys asap....(c;

Larry
--
OS2007 comes with Opera 8 and Flash 9. The only thing missing is JAVA
support. OS2008 is switching to Firefox, whos mozilla engine I'm already
running under 2007 as a free download. Opera is slower but does some
things better because it has an optimization server Opera connects to to
optimize some webpages to the 800 pixel wide screen. Both work great.
Webpages look like webpages, not a confusing series of out-of-place stuff
you can't read. 800 pixel width is the N800's greatest browser feature.

Mark Crispin <MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote in
news:alpine.WNT.0.9999.0710190827390.3116@Shimo-Tomobiki.Panda.COM:

> The Nokia N800 or a UMPC (such as the Sony UX series) make much better
> Internet access devices. Nobody who has either a Nokia N800 or UMPC is
> particularly impressed with the iPhone's Internet capability. What's
> more, both are open platforms: Linux on the Nokia N800 (and you can
> develop your own applications for it) and Windows on a UMPC.
>
>

Nokia has posted new webpages for the new N810, with slideout keyboard
and Maemo Linux OS2008, the next generation operating system for the N800
and N810 boxes:

N810
http://europe.nokia.com/A4568578

Maemo OS2008
http://europe.nokia.com/A4579471

Looking at N810, I think I made the right choice with the $222 N800. The
N810 keyboard makes it much thicker, gotta be heavier and they took the
great speakers off the FRONT, where speakers belong.

Can't wait to see the new toys in OS2008 on the N800....(c;

Larry
--
Orb serves my videos/audios/pictures/TV card cable TV/webcam of the
living room/files to the N800 via Realmedia over EVDO or wifi fantastic!
http://corp.orb.com/
Really cool to have ALL the 4.8TB in the little Linux box...(c;
Orb should run as a Quicktime server to the iPhone, too!
Alas, Orb runs under Win XP/Vista.....

Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
53CA6A.10215119102007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:

> Only if you don't have a lot of demands. The N800 is like looking at a
> decade old device compared to the iPhone. And linux on a phone will
> never take off, it's just not a robust enough platform for such a small
> device. The graphics alone make a linux based phone unusable.
>

Er, ah, many phones run Linux as their OS, and have for a long time.
Nokia is quite committed to Linux. So are others.

I'm more interested in your "decade old device" comment. How so,
specifically? Because it's not a carrier-controlled Sellphone device?
Because it has a changeable battery and runs 8 hours connected if you
turn the display down to half? Because it has two 8GB SDHC memory cards
I can plug into my computer to load files for it? Because I control what
it does, not Apple and ATT bureaucrats? Because it has speakers like a
laptop in stereo? Because it has buttons to do many things without
searching and clicking? Because it upgrades from a WinXP box a whole new
operating system, IN MY HOUSE, in 7 minutes from a WinXP/Vista program
that does a whole bootloader level upgrade....even if you pull the plug
while it's upgrading and just do it over again without returning it to
Apple?

Can you run Skype? Googletalk with a webcam? Where's the webcam pop out
of, anyway. This "decade old device" has one that even rotates.

Tell me more! Ok, I can't spread my fingers and get its vagina to open
wider. I have to use a button on top...big deal...(c; Finger/stylus
scrolling works like yours. At 800 pixel browser width, that's without
reloading on the Nokias. How wide was your screen?

Then, there's this other "decade old" idea:
http://maemo.org/
Welcome to OUR world....
http://www.internettablettalk.com/


Larry
--
http://europe.nokia.com/A4568578
http://europe.nokia.com/A4579470
I can choose if I want a real keyboard...N810 out soon!

Here's why the N800 has so many "buttons"....(c;
http://www2.lut.fi/~thietan1/quetoo/
How you gonna play Quake 2 without them??

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On 2007-10-19, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> Er, ah, many phones run Linux as their OS, and have for a long time.
> Nokia is quite committed to Linux. So are others.

That's right. Motorola has come out with some Linux-based phones too. I
had not heard about Linux on Nokias though; most Nokias have traditionally
run Symbian OS. If they're migrating to Linux, that's very cool.

--
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Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> N810
> http://europe.nokia.com/A4568578
>
> Maemo OS2008
> http://europe.nokia.com/A4579471
>
> Looking at N810, I think I made the right choice with the $222 N800. The
> N810 keyboard makes it much thicker, gotta be heavier and they took the
> great speakers off the FRONT, where speakers belong.
>
> Can't wait to see the new toys in OS2008 on the N800....(c;

you probably won't see many "toys" for these devices, they seem quite
limited in many ways, plus you won't have the large development
community behind them like you do with the iPhone.

you probably wasted your money, but for $222, it's a throw away item
anyway. sell it on ebay in a year for $140, get an iPhone for $199 and
then get on with life.

Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> > Only if you don't have a lot of demands. The N800 is like looking at a
> > decade old device compared to the iPhone. And linux on a phone will
> > never take off, it's just not a robust enough platform for such a small
> > device. The graphics alone make a linux based phone unusable.
> >
>
> Er, ah, many phones run Linux as their OS, and have for a long time.
> Nokia is quite committed to Linux. So are others.

well, not "many" run linux, maybe 4%, but not more than that in the
states.

> I'm more interested in your "decade old device" comment. How so,
> specifically?

very poor build quality, no thought about "design", just slapped
together to make a buck.

> Because it's not a carrier-controlled Sellphone device?

what? it doesn't have Visual Voice mail, doesn't have an iPod built in,
doesn't have a REAL web browser, poor screen rez, etc.

> Because it has a changeable battery and runs 8 hours connected if you
> turn the display down to half?

The iPhone runs 3 times as long, so that's a weakness of the N800 right
there. You can add batteries to the iPhone, it's no different.

> Because it has two 8GB SDHC memory cards

It doesn't COME with those, it comes with 256MB, you have to pay extra
or 8GB, you don't with the iPhone.

> I can plug into my computer to load files for it?

Same with the iPhone.

> Because I control what
> it does, not Apple and ATT bureaucrats?

Not sure what you mean? I have total control over my iPhone, maybe you
don't?

> Because it has speakers like a
> laptop in stereo?

Yes, "as is" the iPhone is mono, but there are 1000's of way to make it
stereo, with the N800, not so much.

> Because it has buttons to do many things without
> searching and clicking?

Not sure what you mean, the iPhone has more buttons than the N800 by a
long shot, and they actually do what you want, not get you mired in poor
UI design like the Nokia people want you to do.

> Because it upgrades from a WinXP box a whole new
> operating system, IN MY HOUSE, in 7 minutes from a WinXP/Vista program
> that does a whole bootloader level upgrade....even if you pull the plug
> while it's upgrading and just do it over again without returning it to
> Apple?

Nobody in their right mind would still be using any Windows based OS, so
you really goofed by bringing up XP. Most modern people use OSX and
iPods or iPhones, the rest kinda have to deal with the past.

All upgrades for the iPhone happen right on your screen, no upgrade
would require sending it to Apple.

> Can you run Skype? Googletalk with a webcam? Where's the webcam pop out
> of, anyway. This "decade old device" has one that even rotates.

Yes, http://s4iphone.com/index_iphone.jsp

The camera stuff is minor, at least Apple gives you a better camera and
a better UI, and a better way to deal with the images. Nokia kinda says
"**** off" when you get an image into your phone.

> Tell me more! Ok, I can't spread my fingers and get its vagina to open
> wider. I have to use a button on top...big deal...(c; Finger/stylus
> scrolling works like yours. At 800 pixel browser width, that's without
> reloading on the Nokias. How wide was your screen?

Someday, Larry you'll move up to an iPhone, but looks like you'll be
living about a decade behind Apple users for the next year or two.

-

Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
99948B.15284819102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net:

> you won't have the large development
> community behind them like you do with the iPhone.
>
>

You're absolutely right. Nokia, one of the largest telecom
companies on the planet with 109,871 employees, worldwide, and a
mere 62.77 Billion in revenue can barely compare with such giants
of computing as Apple with 19.3 Billion in revenue and 17,787
employees.

Nokia can't possibly have the talent on board to design a
internet device to go along with their telecommunications
equipment the internet runs on....right?

Where do you guys get so brainwashed? Is there some subliminal
background program in iPods? I must agree, wholeheartedly that
Apple excells in MARKETING, if nothing else.

Larry
--
You can tell there's extremely
intelligent life in the universe
because they have never called Earth.