LG Voyager and I phone

I want to hear some of you all's opinon on I phone and Voyager slated to
come out in middle of November. It has been said that Verizon stepped up
their game with LG Voyager, that is supposed to compete with I phone. I was
able to compare the Voyager and I phone, and while I phone does have cool
user interface touch screen with some nice menu, Voyager seems to have
better hand with their qwerty keyboard, and EnVO network. I want to hear
some of your opionion on this. Is Voyager actually better than I phone? if
not, why not?

"Nobody you want to meet...." <silky_mez@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I want to hear some of you all's opinon on I phone and Voyager
> slated to come out in middle of November. It has been said that
> Verizon stepped up their game with LG Voyager, that is supposed to
> compete with I phone.

I'm interested in neither, both are loaded with features I don't use.

As far as comparison, Apple has pretty much admitted their deal with
AT&T was a HORRIBLE mistake and the iPhone will likely be available to
all carriers as soon as the current contract expires so if you want an
iPhone you'll probably be able to get one in 18 months or so from any
carrier.



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My feelings exactly, not to mention, I'm not white collar. My hands are
always dirty. The last thing I want is a touch screen phone




"XS11E" <xs11e@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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> "Nobody you want to meet...." <silky_mez@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I want to hear some of you all's opinon on I phone and Voyager
>> slated to come out in middle of November. It has been said that
>> Verizon stepped up their game with LG Voyager, that is supposed to
>> compete with I phone.
>
> I'm interested in neither, both are loaded with features I don't use.
>
> As far as comparison, Apple has pretty much admitted their deal with
> AT&T was a HORRIBLE mistake and the iPhone will likely be available to
> all carriers as soon as the current contract expires so if you want an
> iPhone you'll probably be able to get one in 18 months or so from any
> carrier.
>
>
>
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XS11E wrote:
> "Nobody you want to meet...." <silky_mez@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I want to hear some of you all's opinon on I phone and Voyager
>> slated to come out in middle of November. It has been said that
>> Verizon stepped up their game with LG Voyager, that is supposed to
>> compete with I phone.
>
> I'm interested in neither, both are loaded with features I don't use.
>
> As far as comparison, Apple has pretty much admitted their deal with
> AT&T was a HORRIBLE mistake and the iPhone will likely be available to
> all carriers as soon as the current contract expires so if you want an
> iPhone you'll probably be able to get one in 18 months or so from any
> carrier.
>
I thought the contract with AT&T was a 5 year exclusive one?

In news:y4yVi.1565$965.296@newsfe12.lga,
Carl <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> typed:
> XS11E wrote:
>> "Nobody you want to meet...." <silky_mez@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I want to hear some of you all's opinon on I phone and Voyager
>>> slated to come out in middle of November. It has been said that
>>> Verizon stepped up their game with LG Voyager, that is supposed to
>>> compete with I phone.
>>
>> I'm interested in neither, both are loaded with features I don't use.
>>
>> As far as comparison, Apple has pretty much admitted their deal with
>> AT&T was a HORRIBLE mistake and the iPhone will likely be available to
>> all carriers as soon as the current contract expires so if you want an
>> iPhone you'll probably be able to get one in 18 months or so from any
>> carrier.
>>
> I thought the contract with AT&T was a 5 year exclusive one?

I thought the same thing, but everyone seems to be saying it was only 2
years.

"Nobody you want to meet...." <silky_mez@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:w4WdnYgJCop0_bjanZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@comcast.com:

> Is Voyager actually better than I phone? if
> not, why not?
>

No. Both units are made to SELL bandwidth. All other possible
uses are absent. No carrier is going to sell a device that uses
bandwidth without maximizing profits. It's stupid to think
otherwise. Both these units are the result of the carrier's
bureaucrats ideas of how to expand SALES of services.

They're never going to open the device up to just any hacker who
writes neat software that uses bandwidth but doesn't enhance
revenues. That would be stupid on the carrier's part.

Both these devices were created to help carriers SELL services.

Larry
--
Would you buy a computer hobbled up by Comcast so it wouldn't use
up bandwidth? Why would you buy an internet tablet this way??

On 2007-10-30, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> "Nobody you want to meet...." <silky_mez@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:w4WdnYgJCop0_bjanZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>> Is Voyager actually better than I phone? if
>> not, why not?
>>
>
> No.

Have you actually used either phone?

It would be more helpful if you posted facts instead of opinions.

> They're never going to open the device up to just any hacker who
> writes neat software that uses bandwidth but doesn't enhance
> revenues. That would be stupid on the carrier's part.

But Apple has opened the iPhone to third parties.



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"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:

> XS11E wrote:
>> As far as comparison, Apple has pretty much admitted their deal
>> with AT&T was a HORRIBLE mistake and the iPhone will likely be
>> available to all carriers as soon as the current contract expires
>> so if you want an iPhone you'll probably be able to get one in 18
>> months or so from any carrier.
>>
> I thought the contract with AT&T was a 5 year exclusive one?

Hmmmm, I don't know? I read 2 years somewhere and I wonder if it
might have been here.....

OK, I Googled it as I should have done earlier. You're right, it's 5
years.

Here's a link with some details:

http://www.powerpage.org/2007/05/app...el_iphone.html



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Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
news:slrnfiegrm.nm4.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net:

> It would be more helpful if you posted facts instead of
opinions.

If only facts were allowed here, there would be no posts...

>
>> They're never going to open the device up to just any hacker
who
>> writes neat software that uses bandwidth but doesn't enhance
>> revenues. That would be stupid on the carrier's part.
>
> But Apple has opened the iPhone to third parties.
>
>

Name ONE 3rd party iPhone program.....

________________________________________________

Name another

_________________________________________________

Larry
--
http://lybniz2.sourceforge.net/
Daniel Yerga just ported Lybniz 1.3 to Maemo Linux for my N800.
Thank you Daniel! Where were you when I was a math student?!

Daniel and Luis Lorenzo are also responsible for "Maemo
Periodic", a really cool color periodic table for the
N770/800/810. Does your iPhone know about Promethium?
Symbol Pm
Chemical Serie: Lanthamides
Atomic Number: 61
Atomic Weight: 144.912 u.m.
Density: 7.26 g/cm3
Melting Point: 1315K
Boiling Point: 3273K
Atomic Radius: 185 pm
Covalent Radius: 163 pm
Ionic Radius: 97.9 x 10+3 pm
V. d. Walls Radius: n/a
Atomic Volume: 20.2 cm3/mol
Specific Heat: 0.185 j/g mol (@20C)
Fusion Heat: 0.185 j/g mol (@20C)
Evaporation Heat: 290 kj/mol
Thermal Conductivity: 17.9 W/m K (@25C)
Debye Temperature: n/a
Pauling Electronegativity 1.13
Electron Affinity: 50 kj/mol
First Ionizing Energy: 540 kj/mol
Second Ionizing Energy: 1050 kj/mol
Third Ionizing Energy: 2150 kj/mol
Oxidation States: 3
Electronic Configuration: [Xe] 4f+5 6s+2
Lattice Structure: n/a
Lattice Constant: n/a
Lattice c/a ratio: n/a
Abundance Earth's crust: n/a
Appearance: Highly Radioactive
Discovery Date: 1945 (United States)
Discovered By: A Marinsky, L. E. Glendenin, C. D. Coryell
Origin of the name: Named for the Greek God Prometheus
It doesn't say how many microseconds Pm lasts...(c;

This is what you get when you click an atom on the chart.

Iron melts at 1,811 degrees K...except on 9/11/2001 when it
melted at less than half that temperature from burning office
equipment helped by thermate.

When will this be ported to the iPhone??.....2481

On 2007-10-31, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
> news:slrnfiegrm.nm4.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net:
>
>> It would be more helpful if you posted facts instead of
> opinions.
>
> If only facts were allowed here, there would be no posts...

Well, a lot fewer, anyhow. But still. Posting about devices you've never used
seems kind of pointless. I mean, I know you like to rant, but...

>> But Apple has opened the iPhone to third parties.
>
> Name ONE 3rd party iPhone program.....

Um, Larry.

This JUST happened. A couple weeks ago IIRC. I'm sure no one has released
third-party apps for the iPhone yet. That does not invalidate my point;
you can check Google News if you don't believe me.

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Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
news:slrnfihhk8.nbg.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net:

> Well, a lot fewer, anyhow. But still. Posting about devices
you've
> never used seems kind of pointless. I mean, I know you like to
rant,
> but...
>
>

I have spent a lot of time researching the iPhone and pestering
the ATT store reps playing with it...before deciding the Nokia
N800 was just a better product from a better philosophy
(Linux/open source without a sleazy carrier turning everything
off that uses bandwidth), even if it weren't so much cheaper,
without the Apple/ATT/Sellphone hobbling we're all quite used to,
by now.

As to the new vaporware tablet, having been a customer of Verizon
Wireless since it was called GTE Wireless and before when it was
called Cellular One after it was called Cellular One of
Charleston, a local franchise of CellOne, I speak with some small
authority on the history of VZW's perpensity to destroy any
normal operational feature of any equipment it sell that can be
sold back to their customers at tremendous expense. I was, after
all, one of the first 10 customers to come online the day
Sellular Service was offered, here. Of course, it was a
different, much friendlier company in the beginning.

Armed with this historical perspective, I feel confident the
company has NOT made a complete turnaround from being an arrogant
bunch of assholes to a customer friendly, open sourced, anything
goes wonderful corporation, especially given its most recent
agreement with the State of New York attorney general's office
regarding its sleazy sales tactics and grossly misrepresented
internet product.

Any new product offered by this wonderful corporation must NOT be
capable of operating outside the company's stupid "email and
webpage ONLY" tiny pinhole of intermittent data service to the
internet we know. So, I'll, once again, even having never laid
eyes on this wonderful piece of vaporware, declare that, given
its long history of deceit, this beautiful device will be a
locked up, hobbled up, useless piece of **** from a corporation
constantly spewing locked up, hobbled up, useless pieces of ****.

Wouldn't you agree??



Larry
--
You can tell there's extremely
intelligent life in the universe
because they have never called Earth.

On 2007-10-31, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> I have spent a lot of time researching the iPhone and pestering
> the ATT store reps playing with it...before deciding the Nokia
> N800 was just a better product

Ok, I'll buy that.

> As to the new vaporware tablet, having been a customer of Verizon
> Wireless since it was called GTE Wireless and before when it was
> called Cellular One after it was called Cellular One of
> Charleston, a local franchise of CellOne, I speak with some small
> authority on the history of VZW's perpensity to destroy any
> normal operational feature of any equipment it sell that can be
> sold back to their customers at tremendous expense.

That's no secret.

> I was, after
> all, one of the first 10 customers to come online the day
> Sellular Service was offered, here. Of course, it was a
> different, much friendlier company in the beginning.

GTE was GTE from their entry into my hometown in... I don't know, the late
Eighties/early Nineties... until they were divested to Alltel. There was a
CellularONE franchise in Cleveland, but it became AirTouch early on (I think
maybe mid-90's, about the time the carriers were rolling out digital), and
from there it became Verizon Wireless.

So GTE never was the friendly local C1 franchise (that'd be NewPar
Cellular; the license was in their name then and is now, even in the Age of
VZW). So I guess my perspective may differ slightly from yours.

> Armed with this historical perspective, I feel confident the
> company has NOT made a complete turnaround from being an arrogant
> bunch of assholes to a customer friendly, open sourced, anything
> goes wonderful corporation

Oh, I would never question that. I'm sure they haven't. The point was made,
however, about devices (not carriers).

> Wouldn't you agree??

In fact, I found absolutely nothing I could disagree with in this post.


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Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
news:slrnfihhk8.nbg.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net:

> This JUST happened. A couple weeks ago IIRC. I'm sure no one
has released
> third-party apps for the iPhone yet. That does not invalidate
my point;
> you can check Google News if you don't believe me.
>

Would it be prudent to point out that the very DAY the original
Nokia N770 internet tablet was introduced, there was ALREADY a
long line of ported programs from the open source Linux hackers
available to run on it, a trend that continues even though the
device is no longer produced.

iPhone was not developed in the last "couple of weeks". Apple
had LOTS of time during its development to release to third
parties, notably MAC/OSX third parties, an SDK and could have
given them time to develop, without Apple or ATT interference,
3rd party applications, games and other toys for the iPhone.

Only in response to PRESSURE from the market, so noted by the
drastic drop in initial price so soon after its unfortunate
introduction and subsequent hacker attacks on its OS
vulnerabilities to open it, whether Apple or ATT wanted it or
not, did Apple, to preserve SOME control of what is to be run on
it by the companies involved, before the hacker community who
doesn't like to be told "no" by large monoliths. Apple ONLY
responded AFTER the OS was hacked, then hacked again after the
ver 1.1.1 disabling debacle. This proves, to me at least, what
the corporate mindset of these two companies really is.....

"We'd rather destroy your new product than let you have any
control over its use."

Same old Mac bull**** since the Apple 2....proprietary.

I don't believe this is the end of it. I think you'll see full
working iPhone Linux boxes on Ebay with all those unlocked 1.1.1
OSx boxes in a couple of months, destroying the stupid
corporations' desires. Just watch. It'll be fun.

Larry
--
Darn! No new programs for N800 today! Linux hackers planning
for Trick or Treat?......working on iPhone Linux port??...(c;

Ask the Xbox crew if you think it CAN'T be done...

On 2007-10-31, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> iPhone was not developed in the last "couple of weeks". Apple
> had LOTS of time during its development to release to third
> parties, notably MAC/OSX third parties, an SDK and could have
> given them time to develop, without Apple or ATT interference,
> 3rd party applications, games and other toys for the iPhone.

They did have time. They chose not to.

> I don't believe this is the end of it. I think you'll see full
> working iPhone Linux boxes on Ebay with all those unlocked 1.1.1
> OSx boxes in a couple of months, destroying the stupid
> corporations' desires. Just watch. It'll be fun.

We won't see iPhones running Linux. And I don't know how tightly locked the
OSX iPhones are. (Probably *very* tightly, I'd imagine.)


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Hmm.. what about other phones that supposedly be " i phone killers"
"Nobody you want to meet...." <silky_mez@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I want to hear some of you all's opinon on I phone and Voyager slated to
>come out in middle of November. It has been said that Verizon stepped up
>their game with LG Voyager, that is supposed to compete with I phone. I was
>able to compare the Voyager and I phone, and while I phone does have cool
>user interface touch screen with some nice menu, Voyager seems to have
>better hand with their qwerty keyboard, and EnVO network. I want to hear
>some of your opionion on this. Is Voyager actually better than I phone?
>if not, why not?
>