OT: What happened to the 'No Call' list?

From our perspective, it seems like somebody has managed to disable the 'No
Call' list.

For awhile after we signed up, things seemed pretty good - our junk calls fell
to maybe one per week.

Now we're getting 2-3 per day - even on weekends.



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PeteCresswell

On Sat, 21 May 2005 09:38:19 -0700, "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.z.invalid>
wrote:

>From our perspective, it seems like somebody has managed to disable the 'No
>Call' list.
>For awhile after we signed up, things seemed pretty good - our junk calls fell
>to maybe one per week.
>Now we're getting 2-3 per day - even on weekends.
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Companies that you have done business with recently are allowed to
call you.

Also non-profit organizations.

"J. Yazel" <jyazel@ds.net> wrote in message
news:q1pu8155pa9mek4nbmiu9diepfbrtksm49@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 21 May 2005 09:38:19 -0700, "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.z.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >From our perspective, it seems like somebody has managed to disable the
'No
> >Call' list.
> >For awhile after we signed up, things seemed pretty good - our junk calls
fell
> >to maybe one per week.
> >Now we're getting 2-3 per day - even on weekends.
> ============================
>
> Companies that you have done business with recently are allowed to
> call you.
>
> Also non-profit organizations.
>

" calls from or on behalf of political organizations, charities, and
telephone surveyors would still be permitted, as would calls from companies
with which you have an existing business relationship, or those to whom you'
ve provided express agreement in writing to receive their calls."
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/alerts/dncalrt.htm (#29)

I ask every caller to place my number on their do not call list and this
reduces the number of exemp calls over time.

> Companies that you have done business with recently are allowed to
call you. Also non-profit organizations

But hasn't that been since Day 1 of the No Call list?

.... And our calls went down to nearly zero and stayed there for a good
six months after we got on the list.

But now they're back up. Same list. (same rules?)

Seems like something must've changed.

My kneejerk is that the junk callers have gotten to the politicians and
opened up some sort of back door....like reduced funding for
enforcement... or a more-liberal interpretation of "done business with
recently...."

"(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.z.invalid> wrote in message
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> From our perspective, it seems like somebody has managed to disable the
> 'No
> Call' list.
>
> For awhile after we signed up, things seemed pretty good - our junk calls
> fell
> to maybe one per week.
>
> Now we're getting 2-3 per day - even on weekends.
>
>
..... ditto for me too - I recently changed long distance carriers which may
be a loophole thru which they can jump.
I put my number back again on the Do Not Call list and the calls are
dropping back down at least for now.

GoogleGroups@FatBelly.com wrote:

> But hasn't that been since Day 1 of the No Call list?

It has.

> ... And our calls went down to nearly zero and stayed there for a good
> six months after we got on the list.
>
> But now they're back up. Same list. (same rules?)

Same list same rules.

> Seems like something must've changed.

It has, but not to the list. You've read enough about the outsourcing of IT
jobs, but little (if anything) is written about telemarketing outsourcing.
The DNCR deals with callers within the US. I'm not sure whether it can't
or won't enforce the same rules with foreign marketing calls. But callers
from outside the US can pretty easily ignore the list.

> My kneejerk is that the junk callers have gotten to the politicians and
> opened up some sort of back door....like reduced funding for
> enforcement... or a more-liberal interpretation of "done business with
> recently...."

Let me give you an example of the correct interpretation of "having a
business relationship". If you contact the company in any way about their
products or services, they have 3 months within which to set an appointment
or make a sale, if you're on the list. If they make an appointment with
you to do some form of presentation (or whatever), the 3 months extends
from the appointment date to either get a new appointment or make the sale.
You can tell them prior to the end of the 3 months to stop calling or let
the 3 months pass -- either way the relationship ends, in terms of
marketing calls. However, if you initiate further contact, a new 3 month
period comes into existence.

I'm not sure whether the outsourcing I mentioned is not enforced against
because of international laws or just the enormity of the task in trying to
do so. But it plays havoc with the "rules". Since they still represent a
US company, I'd be interested in hearing what effect that might have on a
company using a foreign phone marketing source that ignores the DNCR.

Bill K

Per Horson Buggy:
>.... ditto for me too - I recently changed long distance carriers which may
>be a loophole thru which they can jump.
>I put my number back again on the Do Not Call list and the calls are
>dropping back down at least for now.

I guess I'd better do the same thing then - having changed my phone service to
have no LD carrier.... maybe the change triggers something...
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PeteCresswell