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Old 08-13-2005, 08:54 PM   #1
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'ICE' on cell phones: A cool way to help in an emergency?


'ICE' on cell phones: A cool way to help in an emergency?
By Gina Kim -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PDT Saturday, August 13, 2005
Story appeared in Scene section, Page K1

Should you really be putting an emergency contact number in your cell
phone under the acronym "ICE"?

An e-mail making the rounds urges people to do it, claiming that
paramedics turn to a victim's cell phone for clues to a person's
identity.

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That's true - in Britain. Emergency responders in the Sacramento area
report they don't necessarily look at cell phones, but a few think
it's a good idea.

The campaign to get people to put ICE numbers - for In Case of
Emergency - in their cell phones was launched in April by a paramedic
in England, according to the Web site of East Anglian Ambulance, the
unit where the paramedic works. With the support of Vodafone, a
British cellular telephone company, the goal is to get every Briton to
enter a number in his or her cellular phone book under the ICE acronym
so emergency personnel can head there first.

Realistically, if paramedics can't easily figure out who a person is -
with a purse or wallet - they're not going to start thumbing through a
victim's cell phone, said Sacramento Fire Department spokesman Niko
King.

"We're so focused on patient care and mitigating the hazards of an
incident, getting a patient out of the environment and to a hospital,
that knowing who they are, their date of birth and their address is
good information to pass on to the hospital, but it's not critical to
us performing our jobs," he said.

But it will help hospitals, said Theresa Arciniega, manager of the
department of clinical social services at UC Davis Medical Center.

"There is so much time lost in looking for next of kin or identifying
an individual," she said. "If this could cut through that, we could
get families here sooner and we can respond sooner."

Arciniega's department hunts down relatives of trauma victims to glean
information about past medical history, how aggressively to treat
victims and, in fatal cases, answers to questions such as organ
donation.

Hearing about the ICE campaign, Arciniega plans to hold a meeting with
her staff to get them to look for the designated emergency contact in
cell phones. Right now, they simply scroll through a phone and make
calls haphazardly.

"They'll call until they get a hit," Arciniega said.

The ICE system is far from foolproof: Not everyone has a cell phone,
cell phones won't necessarily make it through an accident or
emergency, and figuring out how to access phone books can be
complicated in a crunch.

But mostly, it will be helpful only if everyone actually does it.

"I can see how this is going to be useful if people buy into it and
actually provide that information," said King, of the Sacramento Fire
Department. "I'm never opposed to having more information." But King
thinks medical history bracelets or cards can be more useful in a
life-or-death situation than a phone number. And the time wasted to
see if the person has an ICE contact could be vital.

King himself hasn't quite bought into the effort.

"Let's put it this way: I haven't encouraged my wife to put it in her
phone," he said.

Oh, and the e-mail saying people with ICE programmed into their cell
phones will get viruses that will drain you of all your money really
is a hoax.

For more information about Internet hoaxes, go to www.snopes.com or
www.truthorfiction.com.

http://www.sacbee.com/content/busine...14240175c.html


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Old 08-13-2005, 10:40 PM   #2
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Ablang wrote:
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> <snip>


And, if you'll head over to any of the emergency services newsgroups,
youll find that most paramedics (at least in the US) don't bother
looking at cell phones for patient information.

Their job is to stabilize and transport.

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Old 08-14-2005, 04:49 AM   #3
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Good point, I put a contact ICE list in anyway. What the heck, I've
got a big address book.

It's still likely a good idea to at least put a card in a prominant
position within one's wallet saying, "in case of emergency contact..."
I do. Seems like cheap insurance.
May not be used by trauma folks/ER, but someone along the chain would
find a contact list useful, not the least which, that person who should
find themselves incapacitated and alone, in a strange place.
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David

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Old 08-14-2005, 09:28 AM   #4
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"David L" wrote:

> Good point, I put a contact ICE list in anyway. What the heck, I've
> got a big address book.
>
> It's still likely a good idea to at least put a card in a prominant
> position within one's wallet saying, "in case of emergency contact..."
> I do. Seems like cheap insurance.
> May not be used by trauma folks/ER, but someone along the chain would
> find a contact list useful, not the least which, that person who should
> find themselves incapacitated and alone, in a strange place.
>


I put an ICE list with contact, dr and allergy information in my phone as
soon as I read about the idea and made sure it sorts to the top of my phone
book (in my phone, I had to put a 1 as the beginning character to make it
sort there - ie, 1 ICE sister, 2 ICE cousin, 3 ICE dr, 4 ICE allergic to).
I've had an emergency card in my wallet and in my car and on my bike for
years with that info, but if someone knocks me in the head and snatches my
purse on the street or in a parking lot, the info is gone and I'm not in or
on a vehicle. My phone may still be in my pocket. I figure it's just one
more opportunity to provide the information. As I read on one list, it's an
idea with little downside and increasing upside as the word spreads.

http://www.icecontact.com/

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ne...cell+emergency


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Old 08-14-2005, 10:46 AM   #5
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nospam wrote:
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> "David L" wrote:
>
> > Good point, I put a contact ICE list in anyway. What the heck, I've
> > got a big address book.
> >
> > It's still likely a good idea to at least put a card in a prominant
> > position within one's wallet saying, "in case of emergency contact..."
> > I do. Seems like cheap insurance.
> > May not be used by trauma folks/ER, but someone along the chain would
> > find a contact list useful, not the least which, that person who should
> > find themselves incapacitated and alone, in a strange place.
> >

>
> I put an ICE list with contact, dr and allergy information in my phone as
> soon as I read about the idea and made sure it sorts to the top of my phone
> book (in my phone, I had to put a 1 as the beginning character to make it
> sort there - ie, 1 ICE sister, 2 ICE cousin, 3 ICE dr, 4 ICE allergic to).
> I've had an emergency card in my wallet and in my car and on my bike for
> years with that info, but if someone knocks me in the head and snatches my
> purse on the street or in a parking lot, the info is gone and I'm not in or
> on a vehicle. My phone may still be in my pocket. I figure it's just one
> more opportunity to provide the information. As I read on one list, it's an
> idea with little downside and increasing upside as the word spreads.


If you've got an allergy, that paramedics *should* know about,
your best bet is to get some type of MedicAlert bracelet.

Again, paramedics DON'T LOOK THROUGH PHONE ENTRIES!

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Old 08-14-2005, 01:29 PM   #6
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Notan wrote:

> Again, paramedics DON'T LOOK THROUGH PHONE ENTRIES!


BFD.

If the use of ICE becomes widespread, they will. Or the staff at the
hospital will.

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Old 08-14-2005, 01:45 PM   #7
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The Cuddly Curmudgeon wrote:
>
> Notan wrote:
>
> > Again, paramedics DON'T LOOK THROUGH PHONE ENTRIES!

>
> BFD.
>
> If the use of ICE becomes widespread, they will. Or the staff at the
> hospital will.


If you want to do it, do it.

But first, rather than posting that you know better than everyone else, why don't
you head over to misc.emerg-services or alt.emergency-services.moderated and ask
some paramedics, first hand, what they think.

Or, if they disagree with you, will it, again, be "BFD."

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Old 08-14-2005, 01:58 PM   #8
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"The Cuddly Curmudgeon" wrote:

>> Notan wrote:
>>
> > Again, paramedics DON'T LOOK THROUGH PHONE ENTRIES!

>
> BFD.
>
> If the use of ICE becomes widespread, they will. Or the staff at the
> hospital will.
>


Or the police will. It's not a perfect solution, but neither is the card in
the wallet or one in the glove box. If I get into a situation where the
authorities are rummaging through my personal effects trying to find
emergency contact information for me because I can't give it to them, I just
figure every little bit helps.


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Old 08-14-2005, 02:07 PM   #9
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"nospam" <nospam@atall.xatt.net> wrote in message

> I put an ICE list with contact, dr and allergy information in my

phone as
> soon as I read about the idea and made sure it sorts to the top of

my phone
> book (in my phone, I had to put a 1 as the beginning character to

make it
> sort there - ie, 1 ICE sister, 2 ICE cousin, 3 ICE dr, 4 ICE

allergic to).
> I've had an emergency card in my wallet and in my car and on my

bike for
> years with that info, but if someone knocks me in the head and

snatches my
> purse on the street or in a parking lot, the info is gone and I'm

not in or
> on a vehicle. My phone may still be in my pocket. I figure it's

just one
> more opportunity to provide the information. As I read on one

list, it's an
> idea with little downside and increasing upside as the word

spreads.

Problem. When I entered ICE I lost the display of the name of the
person as my phone gets confused when the same number is assigned to
two different names.

The paramedics are going to have to use the default number.

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I hope my standard of living doesn't go up. I can't afford the one
I have now.


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Old 08-14-2005, 02:17 PM   #10
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"Notan" <notan@ddress.com> wrote in message

> Again, paramedics DON'T LOOK THROUGH PHONE ENTRIES!


Actually, we (or the EMS chaplains) do sometimes look through phone
entries. It helps us to determine the history of an unconscious
patient, or to get family to the hospital, or in cases of death to
send the chaplains out to the family.

And quite often the patient is stressed about contacting someone.
It helps if their phone entries are properly organised and rational.

--
Moirade Swardt
Basic Life Support Paramedic
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Old 08-14-2005, 03:30 PM   #11
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nospam wrote:
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> "The Cuddly Curmudgeon" wrote:
>
> >> Notan wrote:
> >>
> > > Again, paramedics DON'T LOOK THROUGH PHONE ENTRIES!

> >
> > BFD.
> >
> > If the use of ICE becomes widespread, they will. Or the staff at the
> > hospital will.
> >

>
> Or the police will. It's not a perfect solution, but neither is the card in
> the wallet or one in the glove box. If I get into a situation where the
> authorities are rummaging through my personal effects trying to find
> emergency contact information for me because I can't give it to them, I just
> figure every little bit helps.


My point was, paramedics don't.

You're absolutely right... Every little bit helps. If there's a possibility
that someone, along the way, will look for information on your phone, go for
it. Hell, drive around with a Post-It stuck to your forehead, if you think
that will help! <g>

Notan
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Old 08-14-2005, 05:39 PM   #12
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Notan wrote:

> My point was, paramedics don't.


And the emphasis that you put on your "point" indicated that in your
opinion, such entries were futile.

Don't try to cover that up.

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Old 08-14-2005, 05:52 PM   #13
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The Cuddly Curmudgeon wrote:
>
> Notan wrote:
>
> > My point was, paramedics don't.

>
> And the emphasis that you put on your "point" indicated that in your
> opinion, such entries were futile.
>
> Don't try to cover that up.


Have you ever been a paramedic? I have.

Do you keep in close communication with paramedics? I do.

Rather than talking like you know, first hand, how about listening to
someone that knows more than you about the subject. While I'm sure that
you think watching TV and listening to your friends makes you an expert
on the subject, it doesn't.

Notan
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Old 08-14-2005, 05:58 PM   #14
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Notan wrote:
> The Cuddly Curmudgeon wrote:
> >
> > Notan wrote:
> >
> > > My point was, paramedics don't.

> >
> > And the emphasis that you put on your "point" indicated that in your
> > opinion, such entries were futile.
> >
> > Don't try to cover that up.

>
> Have you ever been a paramedic? I have.


BFD. Your statement didn't make allowances for the development of
"ICE". Thus it's ****ing worthless.

> Do you keep in close communication with paramedics? I do.


I'm happy forya.

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Old 08-14-2005, 06:15 PM   #15
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The Cuddly Curmudgeon wrote:
>
> Notan wrote:
> > The Cuddly Curmudgeon wrote:
> > >
> > > Notan wrote:
> > >
> > > > My point was, paramedics don't.
> > >
> > > And the emphasis that you put on your "point" indicated that in your
> > > opinion, such entries were futile.
> > >
> > > Don't try to cover that up.

> >
> > Have you ever been a paramedic? I have.

>
> BFD. Your statement didn't make allowances for the development of
> "ICE". Thus it's ****ing worthless.
>
> > Do you keep in close communication with paramedics? I do.

>
> I'm happy forya.


Fine, Curmudgeon. You know better than everyone else.

See ya.

Notan
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