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- 11-10-2005, 11:04 AM #16AjantaGuest
Re: Need recommendation for a travel phone (UK, India)
Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:
: >: Nokia 3210, 3310, 3410 or 3510.
: >
: >None seem available at ebay.
:
: You must have a faulty browser. I tried each of the above using the
: search "unlocked Nokia XXXX" and found some for each on eBay.
I finally managed understand what the problem is. I was searching for
US postings, where I am. Most of these models are listed from UK.
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- 11-10-2005, 07:12 PM #17SMSGuest
Re: Need recommendation for a travel phone (UK, India)
Donald Newcomb wrote:
> "Ajanta" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:091120050056179677%[email protected]...
>
>>I need a gsm phone for use in UK and India. (Last time I had a Nokia
>>6610 which served well but I no longer have it.)
>>
>>I simply need a phone for voice and text messaging. Camera, web, email
>>are not required. It will not be used in the US.
>>
>>Please suggest the "best value" models I can look for used.
>
>
> Actually, you only *need* a single-band GSM-900 phone but these days you
> might as well get a dual-band 900/1800 model, since this will give you a
> better choice of prepaid and roaming carriers. The base phone to meet your
> requirements might be an old Nokia 6150 or Motorola 8900 bought off ebay.
> But look at it this way. If you buy a used phone you'll probably have to
> replace the battery, which might cost as much as the phone. Tiger Direct
> sells new cheapie unlocked tri-band GSM phones for as little as $70 with
> just about zero risk to the buyer.
The Tiger Direct phone for $70 is the Nokia 6010, which is 800/1800/1900
Mhz. This isn't suitable as a travel phone for Europe and Asia. You
really want to have 900/1800 Mhz for use in India, as with only 1800 Mhz
your coverage will suck. It's very strange that Nokia made a tri-band
phone with those three bands. It's fine for the U.S., but it really
limits the use outside North America to not have 900 Mhz.
There are probably thousands of Motorola tri-band phones around that are
900/1800/1900, from when the U.S. had no 800 Mhz GSM. These are of
limited use in the U.S. (except with T-Mobile) but very useful in Europe
and Asia.
I.e. see: http://sentimentalgift.com/mott2gsm90mh.html, but there were
some earlier versions of this phone that will work equally well.
- 11-10-2005, 07:17 PM #18SMSGuest
Re: Need recommendation for a travel phone (UK, India)
Ajanta wrote:
> I need a gsm phone for use in UK and India. (Last time I had a Nokia
> 6610 which served well but I no longer have it.)
>
> I simply need a phone for voice and text messaging. Camera, web, email
> are not required. It will not be used in the US.
>
> Please suggest the "best value" models I can look for used.
>
> I understand that my phone should be "triband" but not quite sure which
> three bands are needed. Please point me towards those numbers so I can
> scrutinize the ebay ads.
>
> Thanks.
See "http://sentimentalgift.com/mott2gsm90mh.html"
You are probably better off with a new unlocked phone. Just replacing
the battery in a used phone will be an expense, and you won't be sure
that the phone is really unlocked.
- 11-10-2005, 09:08 PM #19John NavasGuest
Re: Need recommendation for a travel phone (UK, India)
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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:12:03
-0800, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>The Tiger Direct phone for $70 is the Nokia 6010, which is 800/1800/1900
>Mhz. This isn't suitable as a travel phone for Europe and Asia. You
>really want to have 900/1800 Mhz for use in India, as with only 1800 Mhz
>your coverage will suck. It's very strange that Nokia made a tri-band
>phone with those three bands. ...
Not strange at all (as I've told you before): Tri-band phones are cheaper to
make than quad-band, and the easy switch is between 900/1800/1900 (non-US) and
850/1800/1900 (US).
--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
- 11-10-2005, 10:42 PM #20Donald NewcombGuest
Re: Need recommendation for a travel phone (UK, India)
"SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The Tiger Direct phone for $70 is the Nokia 6010, which is 800/1800/1900
> Mhz. This isn't suitable as a travel phone for Europe and Asia.
The models they offer change from hour to hour. They have sold a number of
900/1800/1900 tri-bands for less than $70. Right at this moment they have a
couple of "Hop On" tri-bands for $69.99. And no, they are not the only place
you can get a good deal on an unlocked GSM phone.
--
Donald R. Newcomb
DRNewcomb (at) attglobal (dot) net
- 11-11-2005, 09:38 AM #21SMSGuest
Re: Need recommendation for a travel phone (UK, India)
Donald Newcomb wrote:
> "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>The Tiger Direct phone for $70 is the Nokia 6010, which is 800/1800/1900
>>Mhz. This isn't suitable as a travel phone for Europe and Asia.
>
>
> The models they offer change from hour to hour. They have sold a number of
> 900/1800/1900 tri-bands for less than $70. Right at this moment they have a
> couple of "Hop On" tri-bands for $69.99. And no, they are not the only place
> you can get a good deal on an unlocked GSM phone.
>
Yes the Hop-On would be fine for India. I don't know why the Tiger
Direct site keeps referring to their phones as "SIM-Free."
The Nokia 6010 is a very misleading product, as there is no reason to
include 1800 Mhz and not 900 Mhz. It'd be much more useful for the phone
to be 800/900/1900 since in most countries, including the U.S., the
higher frequency is the "expansion" frequency, with poorer coverage.
- 11-11-2005, 09:40 AM #22SMSGuest
Re: Need recommendation for a travel phone (UK, India)
Donald Newcomb wrote:
> "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>The Tiger Direct phone for $70 is the Nokia 6010, which is 800/1800/1900
>>Mhz. This isn't suitable as a travel phone for Europe and Asia.
>
>
> The models they offer change from hour to hour. They have sold a number of
> 900/1800/1900 tri-bands for less than $70. Right at this moment they have a
> couple of "Hop On" tri-bands for $69.99. And no, they are not the only place
> you can get a good deal on an unlocked GSM phone.
>
BTW, Amazon also sells the Hop-On 1806, and it includes free shipping,
and Amazon has a much better reputation than Tiger Direct.
- 11-11-2005, 09:50 AM #23John NavasGuest
Re: Need recommendation for a travel phone (UK, India)
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In <[email protected]> on Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:38:04
-0800, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>Yes the Hop-On would be fine for India. I don't know why the Tiger
>Direct site keeps referring to their phones as "SIM-Free."
Because they aren't carrier subsidized.
>The Nokia 6010 is a very misleading product, as there is no reason to
>include 1800 Mhz and not 900 Mhz. It'd be much more useful for the phone
>to be 800/900/1900 since in most countries, including the U.S., the
>higher frequency is the "expansion" frequency, with poorer coverage.
The reason are cost and the availability of chipsets (as I've tried to explain
to you a number of times) -- cheap tri-band chipsets started with
900/1800/1900 (non-US market with original US PCS added), followed by
850/1800/1900 (current US market, cheaply derived from 900/1800/1900). The
next step up is more expensive quad-band (850/900/1800/1900). There's no real
market for new tri-band 800/900/1900, since it's no better than 850/1800/1900
for the US market, and isn't as good as 900/1800/1900 for the non-US market.
Got it now?
--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
- 11-11-2005, 11:13 AM #24SMSGuest
Re: Need recommendation for a travel phone (UK, India)
Joseph wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:12:03 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>The Tiger Direct phone for $70 is the Nokia 6010, which is 800/1800/1900
>>Mhz. This isn't suitable as a travel phone for Europe and Asia. You
>>really want to have 900/1800 Mhz for use in India, as with only 1800 Mhz
>>your coverage will suck. It's very strange that Nokia made a tri-band
>>phone with those three bands. It's fine for the U.S., but it really
>>limits the use outside North America to not have 900 Mhz.
>
>
> Sorry, The Nokia 6010 is a *North America* only handset. It
> supports GSM 850 and GSM 1900. It does not support GSM 1800.
Yes, sorry. I think the Nokia at Tiger was the Nokia 3100 (it's no
longer on their site).
The problem with a lot of tri-band phones is that the manufacturer took
a 900/1800/1900 Mhz model, that was fine for the U.S. prior to the
conversion of TDMA 800 to GSM 800, and simply changed the 900 Mhz to 800
Mhz. This is fine for a U.S. phone, but it sucks for a "World Phone"
since you really want 900/1800 for a world phone, and India is no exception.
The older tri-band phones, the ones with 900/1800/1900 are perfect for
outside the U.S., and are pretty cheap nowadays since no on in the U.S.
wants anything without 800 Mhz GSM.
- 11-11-2005, 11:43 AM #25John NavasGuest
Re: Need recommendation for a travel phone (UK, India)
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In <[email protected]> on Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:13:38
-0800, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>Joseph wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:12:03 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>The Tiger Direct phone for $70 is the Nokia 6010, which is 800/1800/1900
>>>Mhz. ...
>>
>> Sorry, The Nokia 6010 is a *North America* only handset. It
>> supports GSM 850 and GSM 1900. It does not support GSM 1800.
>
>[SNIP]
>The older tri-band phones, the ones with 900/1800/1900 are perfect for
>outside the U.S., and are pretty cheap nowadays since no on in the U.S.
>wants anything without 800 Mhz GSM.
Wrong again. T-Mobile is 1900 only in the USA, and even sells an
"international" dual-band 900/1900 handset (Samsung x475
<http://www.t-mobile.com/products/overview.asp?phoneid=245625&class=phone>).
--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
- 11-13-2005, 03:53 PM #26Guest
Re: Need recommendation for a travel phone (UK, India)
I'm listing three Europe phones on eBay 13NOV 19:30PST.
The auction numbers will be
5829875620 Siemens A57
5829862567 Nokia 5110
5829885598 Siemens S46
All auctions start at $9.99
Tom
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