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  1. #16
    Peter T. Daniels
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    Re: Bus Cell Nazis

    Cyrus Afzali wrote:
    >
    > On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:29:56 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >DaveW wrote:
    > >>
    > >> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
    > >> > Scott en Aztlán wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >>On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:01:20 +0000 (UTC),
    > >> >>[email protected] wrote:
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>> Once I came across a grade-school classmate on the bus and we were
    > >> >>>tlaking at high speed, making up for decades; Well, wuddnya know it,
    > >> >>>folks on the bus kept telling us to shut up.
    > >> >>
    > >> >>**** 'em.
    > >> >>
    > >> >>I ride a buses and trains all the time, and I always have my MP3
    > >> >>player's earphones in my ears - people talk on their cell phones all
    > >> >>the time and I don't even hear them, much less care.
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> > Listening devices that completely mask all ambient noise are very
    > >> > dangerous.
    > >>
    > >> Well, they would be, if they existed.

    > >
    > >OP said as much.
    > >
    > >And what about those new Bose sound-canceling headphones?

    >
    > The OP is confusing two things -- the dangers from iPods to hearing
    > and the ability to filter ambinent noise. The "iPod effect" is
    > happening because people are turning up the volume on those to drown
    > out noise, resulting in a volume that's damaging to one's hearing.
    > This is especially true in noisy environments like NYC streets, the
    > subway, etc. iPods are particularly problematic because the "default"
    > ear buds don't fit very tightly to the ear, making it easier for
    > ambient noise to come in.
    >
    > Noise canceling headphones don't require the device to operate at a
    > higher level. Basically, they work by filtering extraneous noise
    > through the inversion of that noise signal with a circuit, and playing
    > the inverted signal back through the headphones' speakers. If they
    > work properly, the two signals will add together to zero and cancel
    > the noise.


    And that's what's dangerous -- I didn't mean dangerous to one's hearing,
    but to one's general well-being: from not being able to hear anything
    from emergency announcements to sirens to car horns.
    --
    Peter T. Daniels [email protected]



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  2. #17
    Vince
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    Re: Bus Cell Nazis

    Notan wrote:
    > Vince wrote:
    >
    >><snip>
    >>
    >>Well I'll tell you I would love such a device that could screen-out
    >>my next door neighbor's music and my other next door neighbor's dropping
    >>heavy objects and her loud brat.

    >
    >
    > How often does she drop her loud brat?
    >
    > Notan


    oh funny, very funny, I think she did drop the brat a few times.



  3. #18

    Re: Bus Cell Nazis

    BTW, I've been in hospital seminars (Grand Rounds) where several folks
    are whispering quietly on their celfons without distracting the
    audience or the speaker. THe issue isn't rules, but manners and
    tolerance.


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  4. #19
    DaveW
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    Re: Bus Cell Nazis

    Peter T. Daniels wrote:
    > DaveW wrote:
    >
    >>Peter T. Daniels wrote:
    >>
    >>>Scott en Aztlán wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:01:20 +0000 (UTC),
    >>>>[email protected] wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> Once I came across a grade-school classmate on the bus and we were
    >>>>>tlaking at high speed, making up for decades; Well, wuddnya know it,
    >>>>>folks on the bus kept telling us to shut up.
    >>>>
    >>>>**** 'em.
    >>>>
    >>>>I ride a buses and trains all the time, and I always have my MP3
    >>>>player's earphones in my ears - people talk on their cell phones all
    >>>>the time and I don't even hear them, much less care.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Listening devices that completely mask all ambient noise are very
    >>>dangerous.

    >>
    >>Well, they would be, if they existed.

    >
    >
    > OP said as much.
    >
    > And what about those new Bose sound-canceling headphones?


    They don't cancel all ambient noise. Just most of it. They do okay with
    say, the drone of an airplane engine or air conditioner. They are not
    particularly good at more fleeting noises, like someone yelling "Look
    out!" or a car horn honking.

    Oh, and being Bose, they probably do a pretty poor job with music, but
    that is more a matter of personal taste.

    Best Regards,

    DAve




  5. #20
    meammrmustard
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    Re: Bus Cell Nazis

    Notan wrote:

    > Vince wrote:
    >
    >><snip>
    >>
    >>Well I'll tell you I would love such a device that could screen-out
    >>my next door neighbor's music and my other next door neighbor's dropping
    >>heavy objects and her loud brat.

    >
    >
    > How often does she drop her loud brat?
    >
    > Notan


    Not often enough, apparently.

    meanmrmustard




  6. #21
    George
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    Re: Bus Cell Nazis

    [email protected] wrote:
    > Once I came across a grade-school classmate on the bus and we were
    > tlaking at high speed, making up for decades; Well, wuddnya know it,
    > folks on the bus kept telling us to shut up. Once I noticed my folks
    > oldest siblings would somehow shut off their hearing when they were
    > reading; So I asked my very first college professor, who happened to
    > be from Calcutta: He told me his hearing would totally shut off on the
    > bus as he got absorbed by what he was reading. When I first got a
    > celfon in 1990 (a Mitsubishi "brick phone") I found myself getting
    > angrily stared at on the bus whenever I made a call. Eventually, that
    > was one reason that from 1993-99, I avoided carrying a celfon. A bus
    > or train is the best possible time to use a celfon - to take advantage
    > of downtime. Ok, in 1991 already, I saw first hand how in Japan celfon
    > call were taken in the space between cars on a train as a sign of
    > courtesy. But I have to take objection to the thin-skinedness
    > regarding people talking on the phone. I mean folks talk on the bus
    > all the time; why is a celfon different. It isn't. This is really
    > ridiculous.
    >
    >
    >
    > - = -
    > Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Columbia'81+, Bio$trategist
    > BachMozart ReaganQuayle EvrytanoKastorian
    > ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
    > Pataki+JebBush in 2008!
    >


    Because many people tend to yell when using a cellphone. And then there
    are the nextel radios with all of the beeping and people who only use
    them with the speakerphone.



  7. #22

    Re: Bus Cell Nazis

    Which begs the question:
    are they angry at you for their own inability to not eavesdrop?
    I'm quite blind, so my hearing is incredible.
    I can hear things fifty feet away in an office setting.
    But it's also cultural.
    I mean why can't we be like the Culcutta bus passengers.
    I really wish I knew how to tune out other people.

    In <[email protected]> by John Charles
    Wilson <[email protected]> on 9 Jan 2006 07:47:01 -0800 we perused:
    *+- I can't remember where I read this, but apparently the reason some
    *+-people can't stand being around cell phone users is they can't help but
    *+-hear your half of the conversation but don't hear the other half. This
    *+-causes a discordant brain signal not unlike hearing a schizophrenic
    *+-play a piano.




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  8. #23

    Re: Bus Cell Nazis

    yeah, can you imagine being required to roll up your car windows so
    yous conversations don't distract fellow drivers?


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  9. #24

    Re: Bus Cell Nazis


    I used to work with a fellow born in 1940s Shanghai.

    Whenever he talked on the phone you could hear him a block away.

    When you talked face-to-face, he always whispered.


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  10. #25
    Phil Kane
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    Re: Bus Cell Nazis

    On 9 Jan 2006 07:47:01 -0800, John Charles Wilson wrote:

    > I can't remember where I read this, but apparently the reason some
    >people can't stand being around cell phone users is they can't help but
    >hear your half of the conversation but don't hear the other half. This
    >causes a discordant brain signal not unlike hearing a schizophrenic
    >play a piano.


    Any competent eavesdropper can "fill in the blanks" as long as s/he
    has a fertile imagination. Making it juicy is half the fun!!!

    --
    ===> Stand Clear of the Closing Doors, Please <===

    Phil Kane -- Beaverton, Oregon
    PNW Milepost 754 -- Tillamook District






  11. #26
    Phil Kane
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    Re: Bus Cell Nazis

    On 9 Jan 2006 12:03:08 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

    >This makes a lot of sense. I have had the impression that cell phone
    >users were speaking more clearly or slightly more loudly than the
    >equivalent face-to-face conversation but it may be the lack of
    >response, particualarly when intonation would imply a conversation as
    >opposed to someone doing a monologue.


    When cell-phones were the size of regular telephones, people spoke
    into them in normal tones. Now that they are the size of a playing
    card, people feel that they have to shout to make sure that the
    itty-bitty thing captures their voice.

    In some cases, that's a necessary thing.... I for one can't use the
    itty-bitty ones - they don't fit my face nor my style of communicating.

    --
    ===> Stand Clear of the Closing Doors, Please <===

    Phil Kane -- Beaverton, Oregon
    PNW Milepost 754 -- Tillamook District






  12. #27
    Phil Kane
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    Re: Bus Cell Nazis

    On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:16:48 -0800, Scott en Aztlán wrote:

    >I ride a buses and trains all the time, and I always have my MP3
    >player's earphones in my ears - people talk on their cell phones all
    >the time and I don't even hear them, much less care.


    And how many of the people in your vicinity hear the ting-tang jangle
    and hiss of the music leaking out of your headphones?

    --
    ===> Stand Clear of the Closing Doors, Please <===

    Phil Kane -- Beaverton, Oregon
    PNW Milepost 754 -- Tillamook District






  13. #28
    Aidan Stanger
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    Re: Bus Cell Nazis

    Peter T. Daniels <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Scott en Aztlán wrote:
    > > [email protected] wrote:
    > >
    > > > Once I came across a grade-school classmate on the bus and we were
    > > >tlaking at high speed, making up for decades; Well, wuddnya know it,
    > > >folks on the bus kept telling us to shut up.

    > >
    > > **** 'em.
    > >
    > > I ride a buses and trains all the time, and I always have my MP3
    > > player's earphones in my ears - people talk on their cell phones all
    > > the time and I don't even hear them, much less care.

    >
    > Listening devices that completely mask all ambient noise are very
    > dangerous.


    ....if they fall into enemy hands!

    --
    Aidan Stanger
    http://www.bettercrossrail.co.uk



  14. #29
    Aidan Stanger
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    Re: Bus Cell Nazis

    Peter T. Daniels <[email protected]> wrote:

    > DaveW wrote:
    > >
    > > Peter T. Daniels wrote:
    > > > Scott en Aztlán wrote:
    > > >
    > > >>On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:01:20 +0000 (UTC),
    > > >>[email protected] wrote:
    > > >>
    > > >>
    > > >>> Once I came across a grade-school classmate on the bus and we were
    > > >>>tlaking at high speed, making up for decades; Well, wuddnya know it,
    > > >>>folks on the bus kept telling us to shut up.
    > > >>
    > > >>**** 'em.
    > > >>
    > > >>I ride a buses and trains all the time, and I always have my MP3
    > > >>player's earphones in my ears - people talk on their cell phones all
    > > >>the time and I don't even hear them, much less care.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Listening devices that completely mask all ambient noise are very
    > > > dangerous.

    > >
    > > Well, they would be, if they existed.

    >
    > OP said as much.
    >
    > And what about those new Bose sound-canceling headphones?


    Are they any better than the MacAlly sound-cancelling headphones?

    --
    Aidan Stanger
    http://www.bettercrossrail.co.uk



  15. #30
    Peter T. Daniels
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    Re: Bus Cell Nazis

    Aidan Stanger wrote:
    >
    > Peter T. Daniels <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > DaveW wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Peter T. Daniels wrote:
    > > > > Scott en Aztlán wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > >>On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:01:20 +0000 (UTC),
    > > > >>[email protected] wrote:
    > > > >>
    > > > >>
    > > > >>> Once I came across a grade-school classmate on the bus and we were
    > > > >>>tlaking at high speed, making up for decades; Well, wuddnya know it,
    > > > >>>folks on the bus kept telling us to shut up.
    > > > >>
    > > > >>**** 'em.
    > > > >>
    > > > >>I ride a buses and trains all the time, and I always have my MP3
    > > > >>player's earphones in my ears - people talk on their cell phones all
    > > > >>the time and I don't even hear them, much less care.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Listening devices that completely mask all ambient noise are very
    > > > > dangerous.
    > > >
    > > > Well, they would be, if they existed.

    > >
    > > OP said as much.
    > >
    > > And what about those new Bose sound-canceling headphones?

    >
    > Are they any better than the MacAlly sound-cancelling headphones?


    Having one fewer l would seem to be an Advantage.

    And having a presumably higher price would be considered an advantage by
    some.

    (Doesn't Bose make a model called the Advantage?)
    --
    Peter T. Daniels [email protected]



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