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  1. #1
    Curious
    Guest
    Hi!

    Because I have a strong suspect that there is
    some abuse with my mobile phone, I thank to
    any person who can answer to the following questions:

    1. Is it possible to "clone" a mobile phone knowing
    it's number?
    2. If yes, how difficult it is (1-easy to 5-very difficult)?
    *I don't want to know how. Just if it is difficult.*
    3. Is there any way to know if this is happenning?
    For example some indication if both phones
    are connected at the same time?

    Thank you for any responses.



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  2. #2
    Notan
    Guest

    Re: Two mobile phones with the same number!?

    Curious wrote:
    > Hi!
    >
    > Because I have a strong suspect that there is
    > some abuse with my mobile phone, I thank to
    > any person who can answer to the following questions:
    >
    > 1. Is it possible to "clone" a mobile phone knowing
    > it's number?
    > 2. If yes, how difficult it is (1-easy to 5-very difficult)?
    > *I don't want to know how. Just if it is difficult.*
    > 3. Is there any way to know if this is happenning?
    > For example some indication if both phones
    > are connected at the same time?
    >
    > Thank you for any responses.


    For the thousandth time (if not more), you can *NOT* have more than one
    phone with the same number.

    --
    Notan



  3. #3
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Two mobile phones with the same number!?

    Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote in
    news:JoWdnel2t7139D3YnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@giganews.com:

    > For the thousandth time (if not more), you can *NOT* have more than one
    > phone with the same number.
    >
    >


    Make that CELLPHONE. You can have as many SKYPE phones online with the
    same number as you want, simultaneously, anywhere on the planet. I carry
    one, have one on my laptop and the one on the main computer runs with
    Voxlib so I can access Skype from my cellphone when no wifi is
    available...all running at once. Skype doesn't care because they're not
    trying to sell you more numbers all the time, like cellular.

    The reason you can't have 5 cellphones with the same number is because
    cellular doesn't want you have them, not because it's technically
    impossible....which it's not.





  4. #4
    Steven J. Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Two mobile phones with the same number!?

    In article <Xns98B180C7B520Cnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry wrote:
    > Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote in
    > news:JoWdnel2t7139D3YnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@giganews.com:
    >
    >> For the thousandth time (if not more), you can *NOT* have more than one
    >> phone with the same number.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Make that CELLPHONE.


    Actually, you just can't have more than one cellphone use the same number
    SIMULTANEOUSLY; you can swap SIMs in GSM phones and you can, or at
    least you could in the past, swap ESNs online with VZW (not sure about
    other CDMA carriers).



    --
    Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
    Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED

    It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.



  5. #5
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Two mobile phones with the same number!?

    At 07 Jan 2007 19:42:59 +0000 Steven J. Sobol wrote:

    > Actually, you just can't have more than one cellphone use the same
    > number SIMULTANEOUSLY; you can swap SIMs in GSM phones and you
    > can, or at least you could in the past, swap ESNs online with
    > VZW (not sure about other CDMA carriers).


    Southwestern Bell Wireless (eventually Cingular), in the analog days,
    used to allow multiple phones on the same number as an optional service-
    (it was $20/month!). There were "catches" of course, due to the
    technology- either phone could make outgoing calls (but when one was in
    use, the other was "dead," and the first one to answer a ringing phone
    took an incoming call, with no way to "transfer" it to the other phone.)

    This service was primarily marketed to car phone owners- they could use
    their full-powered, car-mounted phone when driving, and switch to their
    handheld when out and about.

    The switch to digital (which all but ended the car-mounted phone era) and
    the creation of family plans (allowing cheaper access to multiple full-
    featured lines) killed off this service (which was never very popular in
    the first place!)

    "Two phones with one number" is easy enough to simulate with a family
    plan and call-forwarding that no real need for any technolgical
    implementation of that as a service is necessary anyway. It doesn't
    really make sense anyway- a telephone number, historically, belonged to a
    "station" (i.e. a single location like a home or business.) It made
    sense to have multiple telephones in one house or business work as one,
    because you called that particular _place_ rather than a person. Why
    would it even make sense for two cellphones to share a number? Unlike
    the days of wired phones, with wireless you are calling a particular
    _phone_ (well, presumably, the person carrying it!) rather than a fixed
    location that person might happen to be at.

    Or, to put it in the simple terms of supply and demand- if there was a
    need for such a service, someone would offer it! ;-)





  6. #6
    Notan
    Guest

    Re: Two mobile phones with the same number!?

    Todd Allcock wrote:
    > At 07 Jan 2007 19:42:59 +0000 Steven J. Sobol wrote:
    >
    >> Actually, you just can't have more than one cellphone use the same
    >> number SIMULTANEOUSLY; you can swap SIMs in GSM phones and you
    >> can, or at least you could in the past, swap ESNs online with
    >> VZW (not sure about other CDMA carriers).

    >
    > Southwestern Bell Wireless (eventually Cingular), in the analog days,
    > used to allow multiple phones on the same number as an optional service-
    > (it was $20/month!). There were "catches" of course, due to the
    > technology- either phone could make outgoing calls (but when one was in
    > use, the other was "dead," and the first one to answer a ringing phone
    > took an incoming call, with no way to "transfer" it to the other phone.)
    >
    > This service was primarily marketed to car phone owners- they could use
    > their full-powered, car-mounted phone when driving, and switch to their
    > handheld when out and about.
    >
    > The switch to digital (which all but ended the car-mounted phone era) and
    > the creation of family plans (allowing cheaper access to multiple full-
    > featured lines) killed off this service (which was never very popular in
    > the first place!)
    >
    > "Two phones with one number" is easy enough to simulate with a family
    > plan and call-forwarding that no real need for any technolgical
    > implementation of that as a service is necessary anyway. It doesn't
    > really make sense anyway- a telephone number, historically, belonged to a
    > "station" (i.e. a single location like a home or business.) It made
    > sense to have multiple telephones in one house or business work as one,
    > because you called that particular _place_ rather than a person. Why
    > would it even make sense for two cellphones to share a number? Unlike
    > the days of wired phones, with wireless you are calling a particular
    > _phone_ (well, presumably, the person carrying it!) rather than a fixed
    > location that person might happen to be at.
    >
    > Or, to put it in the simple terms of supply and demand- if there was a
    > need for such a service, someone would offer it! ;-)


    Analog and digital technologies are like night and day.

    Even if there *was* a demand for digital cloning, I'm not sure the
    technology supports it.

    --
    Notan



  7. #7
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Two mobile phones with the same number!?

    At 07 Jan 2007 17:09:49 -0700 Notan wrote:

    > Analog and digital technologies are like night and day.
    >
    > Even if there *was* a demand for digital cloning, I'm not sure the
    > technology supports it.


    It wouldn't really have to- it could all just be "simulated" by the
    carrier. Each phone or SIM "sharing" a virtual number could get a
    distinct "real" number, and the carrier could just ring both of them when
    an incoming call comes in and "connect" the call to the one that answers
    first. For outgoing calls, the carrier could pass the "virtual" number's
    caller ID info instead of the phone's real number.
    This would simulate "two phones on one number" with very little change in
    technology that I can see.

    (Of course, I still don't see a need for it, particularly if the two
    "extensions" are unable to call each other, as was the case with the old
    analog system!)




  8. #8
    BG
    Guest

    Re: Two mobile phones with the same number!?

    On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:32:57 -0700, Notan
    <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:
    >Curious wrote:
    >> Hi!
    >>
    >> Because I have a strong suspect that there is
    >> some abuse with my mobile phone, I thank to
    >> any person who can answer to the following questions:
    >>
    >> 1. Is it possible to "clone" a mobile phone knowing
    >> it's number?
    >> 2. If yes, how difficult it is (1-easy to 5-very difficult)?
    >> *I don't want to know how. Just if it is difficult.*
    >> 3. Is there any way to know if this is happenning?
    >> For example some indication if both phones
    >> are connected at the same time?
    >>
    >> Thank you for any responses.

    >
    >For the thousandth time (if not more), you can *NOT* have more than one
    >phone with the same number.


    It's not common to have two SIMcards (GSM/UMTS) with the same phone
    number. But it is definitely possible. In those cases the holder of
    the number has ordered a second SIM-card from the service provider.

    It could, for example, be one card for a fixed mounted car phone and
    one for a handheld/portable phone.


    But copying a SIM card is only possible with a known PIN code and a
    version 1 SIM card. Most SIMcards today are version 2 or 2+.




  9. #9
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Two mobile phones with the same number!?

    Todd Allcock wrote:
    > At 07 Jan 2007 19:42:59 +0000 Steven J. Sobol wrote:
    >
    >> Actually, you just can't have more than one cellphone use the same
    >> number SIMULTANEOUSLY; you can swap SIMs in GSM phones and you
    >> can, or at least you could in the past, swap ESNs online with
    >> VZW (not sure about other CDMA carriers).

    >
    > Southwestern Bell Wireless (eventually Cingular), in the analog days,
    > used to allow multiple phones on the same number as an optional service-
    > (it was $20/month!). There were "catches" of course, due to the
    > technology- either phone could make outgoing calls (but when one was in
    > use, the other was "dead," and the first one to answer a ringing phone
    > took an incoming call, with no way to "transfer" it to the other phone.)
    >
    > This service was primarily marketed to car phone owners- they could use
    > their full-powered, car-mounted phone when driving, and switch to their
    > handheld when out and about.
    >
    > The switch to digital (which all but ended the car-mounted phone era) and
    > the creation of family plans (allowing cheaper access to multiple full-
    > featured lines) killed off this service (which was never very popular in
    > the first place!)


    In some countries in Europe and Asia, you can get multiple GSM phones
    with the same phone number, but this isn't available in the U.S. yet.

    See
    "http://asia.cnet.com/howto/askcnetasia/0,39051080,39375941-39002121q,00.htm"

    It's not that it can't be done, it's that no U.S. carrier has wanted to
    do it.

    I also recall the days when you could have two AMPS phones on the same
    number, for an extra charge. It was a lot easier to do on AMPS.



  10. #10
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Two mobile phones with the same number!?

    Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote in
    news:ioednTq1dqVTFjzYnZ2dnUVZ_u7inZ2d@giganews.com:

    > Even if there *was* a demand for digital cloning, I'm not sure the
    > technology supports it.
    >
    >


    The technology supports "conference calling"....so, the technology supports
    it. The phones DON'T all have the same ESN. So, when that phone number
    (which isn't how cellular calls the phone, they call the ESN) is called,
    the terminal rings all the phones on the PERMANENT CONFERENCE setup in
    software. Whoever answers hears the conference...same as the OUTGOING
    conference you can create on any cellphone, already!

    This isn't rocket science. All that's necessary is to associate calls to
    555-555-5555 with 6 ESNs in an outgoing conference call, all ringing at
    once and set the conference to whichever ESNs answer the rings.

    Geez, you'd think we'd have to reinvent the whole damned system! It's all
    about SOFTWARE! Conference SOFTWARE!

    Of course, we'll have to charge $30/month for the basic service plus SIX
    TIMES airtime if everyone picks up.....(c;

    There's absolutely no reason this outgoing conference call couldn't include
    not just one company ESNs, but any landline/cellphone/satphone on the
    planet!




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