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  1. #16
    SMS
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    Re: Wardriving is Legal. Legal opinions.

    Larry wrote:
    > http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...ract_id=585867
    >
    > I've been attacked by the cellular hacks on these newsgroups because I
    > dare logon to open wifi systems and get my email, etc., instead of paying
    > the jerk cellular phone companies $70/month for slow, spotty service all
    > hobbled up with "you can't do that" legal jargon to prevent you from
    > using bandwidth.
    >
    > According to many law schools and the courts (see the various papers from
    > this website), what thousands of people are doing with programs like
    > Network Stumbler to find open systems driving around are perfectly legal
    > and NOT theft, as the cellular hacks have tried to make it to preserve
    > company profits. It's just not true.


    Whether it's legal or not depends on whether or not the network owner
    intentionally left the network insecure in order to share it, or if the
    owner never intended to share it and left it insecure out of ignorance.

    Someone reported on a case where a guy was using an intentionally free
    network from a coffee house, and he was arrested and plead guilty to
    some statute, even though the coffee house owner was fine with him using
    the network from not inside the coffee house. So be careful, as you may
    get an over-zealous cop going after you!



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  2. #17
    Larry
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    Re: Wardriving is Legal. Legal opinions.

    "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > I'm installing a 900->802.11a repeater unit on the truck tomorrow. If
    > nothing else it'll be fun to show off (my laptop has an a/b/g adapter)
    >
    >


    I'm a ham radio operator. We love repeaters....(c;
    My car has a little Linksys "Range Extender" repeater in it. It's made
    for 115VAC, but a little inverter-in-a-cig-plug makes that easy to use.
    When I get to where I'm going, I simply sit the range extender on top of
    the car, all logged onto whatever it can find. The laptop gets much
    better signals with it on the car...unless I'm in a hotspotted
    restaurant, etc.

    Denny's doesn't have wifi. The range extender repeats the hotel's
    hotspot into Denny's with 5 bars of signal...(c;

    Larry
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    http://www.spp.gov/
    The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP




  3. #18
    Larry
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    Re: Wardriving is Legal. Legal opinions.

    Dennis Ferguson <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > I already do automatic backups


    Those $120 500GB "My Book" USB2 hard drives from Western Digital sure are
    handy for backing up. I don't need archival, just crash protection.

    Larry
    --
    http://www.spp.gov/
    The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP




  4. #19
    Larry
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    Re: Wardriving is Legal. Legal opinions.

    "John B. Coarsey, PE" <jcoarsey<nospam>@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > In Sparta Michigan this is a felony. Did you know this?
    >


    Huh? How did the cable company get them to pass this one??

    How sad.


    Larry
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    http://www.spp.gov/
    The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP




  5. #20
    Larry
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    Re: Wardriving is Legal. Legal opinions.

    "John B. Coarsey, PE" <jcoarsey<nospam>@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > If this is Federal turf whay hasn't
    > Uncle Sam stepped in?
    >


    No political pressure to do so? Virginians simply need to vote to stop it.

    Larry
    --
    http://www.spp.gov/
    The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP




  6. #21
    Larry
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    Re: Wardriving is Legal. Legal opinions.

    SMS <[email protected]> wrote in news:466f15da$0$27220
    [email protected]:

    > So be careful, as you may
    > get an over-zealous cop going after you!
    >


    Cuff me. I need someone new to sue...(c;

    Larry
    --
    http://www.spp.gov/
    The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP




  7. #22
    Traveling Man
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    Re: Wardriving is Legal. Legal opinions.

    On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:08:05 -0400, John B. Coarsey, PE wrote:

    > If what you say is true then how can states such as Virginia outlaw radar
    > detectors? They are passive devices. If this is Federal turf whay hasn't
    > Uncle Sam stepped in?


    Technically you're right, radio receivers (which radar detectors are) are
    not illegal unless they are used to receive cell phone signals. This is a
    federal law, which supercedes state and local ones.

    What VA does is claim that, by using a radar detector, you are interfering
    with the police in the performance of their duties. It's shaky, but no one
    has yet fought it in court (the courts LOVE that speeding fine money).
    Likewise if you refuse to give the cop your detector (they confiscate them
    on the spot) you risk a disorderly conduct charge.

    Interesting that Connecticut and New York states dropped their "no detector"
    laws a few years back. Only Virginia and DC have them now.

    FWIW, I travel through VA with my Escort on the seat. It still works fine,
    and is not visable through the windshield. If you run in a crowd the cop's
    radar detector detectors can't single you out.



  8. #23

    Re: Wardriving is Legal. Legal opinions.

    Traveling Man wrote:
    > On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:08:05 -0400, John B. Coarsey, PE wrote:
    >
    >> If what you say is true then how can states such as Virginia outlaw radar
    >> detectors? They are passive devices. If this is Federal turf whay hasn't
    >> Uncle Sam stepped in?

    >
    > Technically you're right, radio receivers (which radar detectors are) are
    > not illegal unless they are used to receive cell phone signals. This is a
    > federal law, which supercedes state and local ones.
    >
    > What VA does is claim that, by using a radar detector, you are interfering
    > with the police in the performance of their duties. It's shaky, but no one
    > has yet fought it in court (the courts LOVE that speeding fine money).
    > Likewise if you refuse to give the cop your detector (they confiscate them
    > on the spot) you risk a disorderly conduct charge.
    >
    > Interesting that Connecticut and New York states dropped their "no detector"
    > laws a few years back. Only Virginia and DC have them now.
    >
    > FWIW, I travel through VA with my Escort on the seat. It still works fine,
    > and is not visable through the windshield. If you run in a crowd the cop's
    > radar detector detectors can't single you out.


    Ironically, around here a lot of the city cars spew ad-hoc mode wifi
    pretty much constantly. Netstumbler or kismet will detect a city car
    farther than a high dollar radar detector.

    This doesn't work with TX DPS, who seem to turn their wifi cards off
    when they're on the job.

    BS




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