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An Austin woman who dialed 911 recently discovered what she said could
be a fatal flaw in some new cell phones.
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“I think it’s a danger to everyone,” she says.
Carol, who asked that her last name not be used for fear of making
herself or her land a target for vandals, called for help recently
when she arrived at some vacant property she owns in east Austin and
found her security chain gone.
She grabbed her new Casio G’zOne phone from Verizon Wireless, which to
her horror made an audible alarm when she called 911. " <snip>
Re: Design flaw in Verizon cell phones let criminals know you are dialing 911 via audible tone.
"zeez" <ultimauw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4747ea69.6793813@news-server.ca.rr.com...
> http://www.kvue.com/news/local/stori...1f46e16ee.html
> "06:36 PM CST on Friday, November 9, 2007
> By CLARA TUMA
> KVUE News
> An Austin woman who dialed 911 recently discovered what she said could
> be a fatal flaw in some new cell phones.
> Click here for larger video
> “I think it’s a danger to everyone,” she says.
> Carol, who asked that her last name not be used for fear of making
> herself or her land a target for vandals, called for help recently
> when she arrived at some vacant property she owns in east Austin and
> found her security chain gone.
> She grabbed her new Casio G’zOne phone from Verizon Wireless, which to
> her horror made an audible alarm when she called 911. " <snip>
Re: Design flaw in Verizon cell phones let criminals know you aredialing 911 via audible tone.
Political Pagan wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:01:26 -0800 (PST), ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Nov 24, 1:12 am, ultim...@hotmail.com (zeez) wrote:
>>> http://www.kvue.com/news/local/stori...nalarm-bm.1f46...
>>>
>>> "06:36 PM CST on Friday, November 9, 2007
>>>
>>> By CLARA TUMA
>>> KVUE News
>>>
>>> An Austin woman who dialed 911 recently discovered what she said could
>>> be a fatal flaw in some new cell phones.
>>>
>>> Click here for larger video
>>>
>>> "I think it's a danger to everyone," she says.
>>>
>>> Carol, who asked that her last name not be used for fear of making
>>> herself or her land a target for vandals, called for help recently
>>> when she arrived at some vacant property she owns in east Austin and
>>> found her security chain gone.
>>>
>>> She grabbed her new Casio G'zOne phone from Verizon Wireless, which to
>>> her horror made an audible alarm when she called 911. " <snip>
>> I just watched the video, and I can't believe how stupid the design
>> was. I thought it might have been like a beep or something, but the
>> damn thing makes a ***SIREN NOISE***!!!!!WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY
>> THINKING!!?!?!!! I wonder if new Verizon phones will have a huge neon
>> sign pop-out with an arrow pointing to the caller proclaiming that he/
>> she is dialing 911.
>
>
> It says flat-out on the instructions, and a card that comes with the
> phone, that it is there and can be disabled.
>
I'm curious why they would include such a feature in the first place. A
mugger is not likely to care, assuming you even have a chance to dial
while getting mugged. And if you are reporting some other crime from a
distance, why would you want the crook to notice you? The only situation
I can think of where it would help, is to alert the parents when their
kid has dug the cell phone out of their purse or wherever, and is
playing with it.
IMHO, they are packing WAY too many useless features into cell phones
these days. Other than maybe kids listening to music, and texting, of
course, I bet most people never use any of the bells and whistles.
Re: Design flaw in Verizon cell phones let criminals know you are dialing 911 via audible tone.
Political Pagan wrote:
>>> An Austin woman who dialed 911 recently discovered what she said
>>> could be a fatal flaw in some new cell phones.
>>>
>
> It says flat-out on the instructions, and a card that comes with the
> phone, that it is there and can be disabled.
What language are they printed in? Seems to me that it may not have been in
her native language and she couldn't understand it.... Maybe we should pass
legislation to require all manuals and warnings to be printed in 527
different languages
Re: Design flaw in Verizon cell phones let criminals know you are dialing 911 via audible tone.
On 2007-11-24, Evan Platt <evan@theobvious.espphotography.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:12:56 GMT, ultimauw@hotmail.com (zeez) wrote:
>
>>She grabbed her new Casio G’zOne phone from Verizon Wireless, which to
>>her horror made an audible alarm when she called 911. " <snip>
>
> Yes, indeed. a call to 911 should be absolutely silent. Let the mobile
> 911 operators guess what the emergency is, and where you are.
Having the phone beep won't tell the 911 PSAP where you are.
Re: Design flaw in Verizon cell phones let criminals know you are dialing 911 via audible tone.
You can call Verizon and have messaging blocked. It costs nothing.
>Is there any way to avoid what I consider to be the *blackmail* of texting?
>To me it's useless. But if I don't get a texting plan, the phone company
>will be glad to charge me $0.10 or worse for unsolicited incoming text
>messages. Sometimes these come in a large flood. And there doesn't seem
>to be a way to disable texting (and billing for it) entirely.
Re: Design flaw in Verizon cell phones let criminals know you are dialing 911 via audible tone.
>> It says flat-out on the instructions, and a card that comes with the
>> phone, that it is there and can be disabled.
>
> That statement is at odds with the video report from KVUE, which
> specifically states that the alarm can NOT be disabled.
That's what I've read too. I also read that Verizon phones are not the
only ones that have that behavior.
Re: Design flaw in Verizon cell phones let criminals know you are dialing 911 via audible tone.
On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 05:19:34 -0800 (PST), "Kickin' Ass and Takin'
Names" <PopUlist349@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 24, 4:01 am, ultim...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Nov 24, 1:12 am, ultim...@hotmail.com (zeez) wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >http://www.kvue.com/news/local/stori...nalarm-bm.1f46...
>>
>> > "06:36 PM CST on Friday, November 9, 2007
>>
>> > By CLARA TUMA
>> > KVUE News
>>
>> > An Austin woman who dialed 911 recently discovered what she said could
>> > be a fatal flaw in some new cell phones.
>>
>> > Click here for larger video
>>
>> > "I think it's a danger to everyone," she says.
>>
>> > Carol, who asked that her last name not be used for fear of making
>> > herself or her land a target for vandals, called for help recently
>> > when she arrived at some vacant property she owns in east Austin and
>> > found her security chain gone.
>>
>> > She grabbed her new Casio G'zOne phone from Verizon Wireless, which to
>> > her horror made an audible alarm when she called 911. " <snip>
>>
>> I just watched the video, and I can't believe how stupid the design
>> was. I thought it might have been like a beep or something, but the
>> damn thing makes a ***SIREN NOISE***!!!!!WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY
>> THINKING!!?!?!!! I wonder if new Verizon phones will have a huge neon
>> sign pop-out with an arrow pointing to the caller proclaiming that he/
>> she is dialing 911.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Calm down. Use the menu on the phone and locate the option to turn
>off the 911 alarm.
>
>The phone is smarter than the user. Which is not surprising
>considering that the woman using the phone is a Texan.
Hey Padner
Now yew best be shuddin yo mouth or I gets pissst and gotta kick yo
ass all da way to Houston. I tell ya rite now I be more man than yew
mudda***kanass. Us Texans dont take no crap frum a cock eyed weezle
pekkerface like yew. My cowboy hat tellz ya I be BIG man an me cock
be bigga than yo littel limp needle dick and yo wife tell me so las
nite dat yew aint got nuttin down dere. Now yew just get outahere and
shuddup or me an yew gotcha big bone ta pick. I take yew out wid me
rodeo bull an me bull always winnz da fight..... garenteed !
Texas Rulez da wurld.
Re: Design flaw in Verizon cell phones let criminals know you are dialing 911 viaaudible tone.
At 24 Nov 2007 15:43:03 +0000 aemeijers wrote:
> I'm curious why they would include such a feature in the first
> place. A mugger is not likely to care, assuming you even have a
> chance to dial while getting mugged. And if you are reporting some
> other crime from a distance, why would you want the crook to
> notice you?
Why is it that the only use for 911 you can think of is "crooks" and
"muggers?"
> The only situation I can think of where it would help, is to
> alert the parents when their kid has dug the cell phone out of
> their purse or wherever, and is playing with it.
Let's see- how about you have an accident in an isolated area, and the
siren allows paramedics to find you audibly rather than have to scour the
entire back 40 acres of your farm to find you?
(E911 location accuracy leaves a bit to be desired...)
> IMHO, they are packing WAY too many useless features into cell
> phones these days. Other than maybe kids listening to music, and
> texting, of course, I bet most people never use any of the bells
> and whistles.
Those of us who use those features might disagree.
--
Composed and sent with my T-Mobile MDA Windows Mobile phone.
Re: Design flaw in Verizon cell phones let criminals know you are dialing 911 via audible tone.
>>> Is there any way to avoid what I consider to be the *blackmail* of
>>> texting? To me it's useless. But if I don't get a texting plan,
>>> the phone company will be glad to charge me $0.10 or worse for
>>> unsolicited incoming text messages. Sometimes these come in a
>>> large flood. And there doesn't seem to be a way to disable texting
>>> (and billing for it) entirely.
>> You can call Verizon and have messaging blocked. It costs nothing.
>
> Outgoing *AND* incoming? Including billing for incoming premium
> text messages? (No, I'm not going to sign up for any of those, but
> that doesn't seem to stop them.) The salescritter I was talking to
> didn't seem to think that was possible, or wanted a bigger commission
> and lost a sale. Incidentally, does that restart your contract?
>
Actually, do a two step process and it will work real cool.. #1 Have verizon
turn OFF all text messaging to your phone number (free ones still come
thru).. #2 go to www.vtext.com and create a pseudonym (like if your name is
joeblow and born on jan 1, create a pseudonym of joeblow0101 that goes to
your phones number.. (make sure it's not 10 digits or autosenders can guess
it, they just send spam to all 10 digit numbers)
now you can not only get text messages sent to joeblow0101 but you can also
get the first 160 characters of an email someone sends to joeblow0101@vtext.com ...Been using it for a few years, and friends and
family know my email/phone name so can send me messages on my phone no
matter where I travel to (in the lower 48, didn't work when I was in alaska,
just got the message after I got back to the lower 48, unfortunately that
was when my mom sent me a message saying dad died and funeral was ((three
days before I got the message ))
Re: Design flaw in Verizon cell phones let criminals know you are dialing 911 via audible tone.
The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:51:59 -0500, "Peter Pan"
> <PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>> unfortunately that
>> was when my mom sent me a message saying dad died and funeral was
>> ((three days before I got the message ))
>
> Damn, that sucks. Sorry for your loss.
Thanks, meant to say why it didn't work, but got distracted... Digital stuff
like VM/SMS/Internet connect etc don't usually work in analog areas (like
most of alaska, or ships along the inland passage).. Voice does, but the
other stuff waits until you get back to a digital area, so while Voice
Mail/Email/Messges are neat if you travel, and don't need an instant
response, there are certain times when you may need a plan b for
emergencies.
Re: Design flaw in Verizon cell phones let criminals know you aredialing 911 via audible tone.
Larry Bud wrote:
>> "The tone indicating that 911 has been dialed is one of several
>> features designed to make wireless service accessible and easy to use,
>> especially for those with disabilities."
>>
>> En Ingles, Por Favor?!?!?!!?
>>
>> How the hell does an ear-piercing siren make wireless service more
>> accessible to the handicapped? How does it make it easier to use?
>
> For those who can barely see, in an emergency, know that they've
> dialed 911.
Yeah but if the phone is screaming, how are they going to tell the
dispatcher what the problem is? E911 doesn't work so well with cell phones.
Re: Design flaw in Verizon cell phones let criminals know you are dialing 911 via audible tone.
Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:lf7kk3dmmi71oqf34iol98ii11i58tt9qj@4ax.com:
> The remote entry fob on my car has a separate "panic" button. If you
> really want this feature, why not activate it with a special "panic"
> button on your phone instead of tying the panic feature to dialing
> 911?
I'll stab at it:
Because all the softkeys are slowly, but certainly, being converted to
SPAMkeys with "features" to SELL you something on your SELLphone!
Alltel phones now have a CELLTOP, more correctly SELLtop, key on them. The
Sells...er, ah, Cells....have names like RINGTONES and XM RADIO and are
just SPAM built into the new phones to SELL you into a bigger monthly
charge for some really ****ty little text services. The SELLtop key is
HARD CODED and cannot be simply turned into something USEFUL, like the
other softkeys do..........damn them. The key turns into OPTION key on the
camera and other applications, but is always SELLTOP on the home screen, no
matter what.
Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems? http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
Re: Design flaw in Verizon cell phones let criminals know you are dialing 911 via audible tone.
ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote in news:b629c679-f4dc-4772-98f4-2f0f36236796
@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
> Blech. X{ Why does this world feel like it's packed with sleazy used
> car salesmen?
>
>
Because it IS packed with sleazy used car salesmen!
Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems? http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
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