iPhone has no HID profile??

One of my unfortunate friends has an iPhone stuck on ATT...

I was showing him the Nokia SU-8W Bluetooth keyboard I bought to
improve actual typing on the Nokia N800 Linux tablet.
Touchscreen typing and "writing" is a joke, no matter what device
you buy. It sux.

He agreed with me the onscreen keyboarding on the iPhone was even
worse because the finger keyboard is even smaller than N800's.
On either device sending a long email or any message like this on
is a painfully slow lesson in agony.

"Can I try using your keyboard with the iPHone?", he begged,
without getting on his knees. I turned on the Nokia keyboard
which always puts it in discovery mode until something connects
with it. The iPhone COULDN'T SEE IT! What the hell? iPhone, a
typing internet device doesn't support HID profile for
keyboards??

To test the keyboard with an Apple, he got his Mac notebook out
of his car and booted it. The Mac paired with the keyboard and
after I put in the LONG Mac paring code, it paired right up. I
could type on the Mac from 40' away from the tiny keyboard.

We tried again, to no avail, to get the iPhone to pair with it so
we could use the keyboard, instead of the tiny touchscreen
keyboard. No go.

Anyone know how to get an iPhone with the latest firmware
upgrade, but not hacked, to pair with an HID (Human Interface
Device) like bluetooth keyboards, or is this another denied
feature?? Any help and instructions greatly appreciated. When
iPhone searched for BT devices, it didn't even report the MAC of
the keyboard like the Mac did before properly identifying it as a
Nokia SU-8W keyboard. The Mac had trouble identifying it, too,
even though the keyboards manufacturer and model number WERE
RIGHT ON THE MAC SCREEN! I had to send the Mac the keys to the
left and right of the two shift keys for it to identify the Nokia
as a standard compliant ASCII keyboard. How stupid. It doesn't
seem to have a list!

Larry
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We haven't tried other HID keyboards on the iPhone, yet.

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The iPhone keyboard is unique enough that a first time trial reveals
zero.

One has to use it for a week to fully evaaluate it, and the
overwhelming majority of folks that do quickly learn how
to eficiently use it and after a few days have no problems with it.

To write a review after 30 minutes with it is foolish.



On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:05:15 +0000, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

>One of my unfortunate friends has an iPhone stuck on ATT...
>
>I was showing him the Nokia SU-8W Bluetooth keyboard I bought to
>improve actual typing on the Nokia N800 Linux tablet.
>Touchscreen typing and "writing" is a joke, no matter what device
>you buy. It sux.
>
>He agreed with me the onscreen keyboarding on the iPhone was even
>worse because the finger keyboard is even smaller than N800's.
>On either device sending a long email or any message like this on
>is a painfully slow lesson in agony.
>
>"Can I try using your keyboard with the iPHone?", he begged,
>without getting on his knees. I turned on the Nokia keyboard
>which always puts it in discovery mode until something connects
>with it. The iPhone COULDN'T SEE IT! What the hell? iPhone, a
>typing internet device doesn't support HID profile for
>keyboards??
>
>To test the keyboard with an Apple, he got his Mac notebook out
>of his car and booted it. The Mac paired with the keyboard and
>after I put in the LONG Mac paring code, it paired right up. I
>could type on the Mac from 40' away from the tiny keyboard.
>
>We tried again, to no avail, to get the iPhone to pair with it so
>we could use the keyboard, instead of the tiny touchscreen
>keyboard. No go.
>
>Anyone know how to get an iPhone with the latest firmware
>upgrade, but not hacked, to pair with an HID (Human Interface
>Device) like bluetooth keyboards, or is this another denied
>feature?? Any help and instructions greatly appreciated. When
>iPhone searched for BT devices, it didn't even report the MAC of
>the keyboard like the Mac did before properly identifying it as a
>Nokia SU-8W keyboard. The Mac had trouble identifying it, too,
>even though the keyboards manufacturer and model number WERE
>RIGHT ON THE MAC SCREEN! I had to send the Mac the keys to the
>left and right of the two shift keys for it to identify the Nokia
>as a standard compliant ASCII keyboard. How stupid. It doesn't
>seem to have a list!
>
>Larry

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> One of my unfortunate friends has an iPhone stuck on ATT...
>
I use an iPhone everyday. Works great. Typing is faster than my Treo.
Functionality beats any phone I've ever tried.

What is it with you iPhone haters?

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Ron <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> The iPhone keyboard is unique enough that a first time trial
reveals
> zero.
>
> One has to use it for a week to fully evaaluate it, and the
> overwhelming majority of folks that do quickly learn how
> to eficiently use it and after a few days have no problems with
it.
>
> To write a review after 30 minutes with it is foolish.
>
>

Huh?? What the hell are you smokin'?

I tried to pair my Nokia SU-8W Bluetooth HID external keyboard
with an iPhone and the iPhone refused to see it. I don't have to
"evaaluate (sic) it". It's mine! I was trying to find someone
who know how to pair them or if the iPhone supported HID
interface over Bluetooth at all.

Hello?? Anyone at home in there??



Larry
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you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote in news:elmop-
[email protected]:

> Hey, Oxford--what does your response have to do with the
question?
>

Have you ever tried to get information out of one of those stupid
computerized help machines on a company webpage, trying to divert
you from calling for HUMAN help?

I'm beginning to think there's no HUMAN with the nick "Oxford".
I think it's a respond-o-bot at Apple HQ! It must be. No human
can be THAT stupid, can they, and figure out how to boot a home
computer or webTV?

Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v

Kurt <[email protected]> wrote in news:labolide-
[email protected]:

> What is it with you iPhone haters?
>
>

We don't hate it. At least, I don't. It's a fun, but way
overpriced toyphone to sell services with that others get for
free.

What I don't condone is the marketing behind it making the
incredibly stupid public believe it's something it's not....a
handheld computer.

I call it the WebTV of the PDA set. That's pretty accurate....
(c;

I must admit it IS fun to poke at with a stick....

Do you have any information about my question? Does yours
support HID devices like external keyboards so you don't have to
type on the tiny screen with one finger?

Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v

At 03 Dec 2007 22:18:54 +0000 Larry wrote:

> I tried to pair my Nokia SU-8W Bluetooth HID external keyboard
> with an iPhone and the iPhone refused to see it.


At this point in time, the iPhone's BT is mono-headset only. No stereo
headphones, serno BT GPS or keyboards, and no tethering.


No matter- if Apple didn't include it, you don't need it- at least
according to Oxford...

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in news:fj2a31
[email protected]:

> At 03 Dec 2007 22:18:54 +0000 Larry wrote:
>
>> I tried to pair my Nokia SU-8W Bluetooth HID external keyboard
>> with an iPhone and the iPhone refused to see it.
>
>
> At this point in time, the iPhone's BT is mono-headset only.
No stereo
> headphones, serno BT GPS or keyboards, and no tethering.
>
>
> No matter- if Apple didn't include it, you don't need it- at
least
> according to Oxford...
>
>
>
>

Someone pointed us to a scathing PC Magazine review they did on
the iPhone. I read it. One of their negative points was it
didn't support Bluetooth keyboards, at all, so you were forced to
type on the tiny screen, rendering it fairly useless for typing
long messages......amoung other faults.

Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> Kurt <[email protected]> wrote in news:labolide-
> [email protected]:
>
> > What is it with you iPhone haters?
> >
> >
>
> We don't hate it. At least, I don't. It's a fun, but way
> overpriced toyphone to sell services with that others get for
> free.

So you get data for free? It's the only service beside voice that I pay
for. A whopping $20.
>
> What I don't condone is the marketing behind it making the
> incredibly stupid public believe it's something it's not....a
> handheld computer.
>
> I call it the WebTV of the PDA set. That's pretty accurate....
> (c;
>
> I must admit it IS fun to poke at with a stick....
>
> Do you have any information about my question? Does yours
> support HID devices like external keyboards so you don't have to
> type on the tiny screen with one finger?
>
Yeah, yeah. The idea of having either an external keyboard or one of
those goofy pull-out ones doesn' do it for me.

All your sarcasm aside, what are you currently using that has the iPhone
so trumped in both price and functionality?

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Kurt <[email protected]> wrote in news:labolide-
[email protected]:

> All your sarcasm aside, what are you currently using that has
the iPhone
> so trumped in both price and functionality?
>
>

You won't like it. Nokia N800 w/Nokia SU-8W BT keyboard. I just
wish it had JAVA support. Maybe soon. It runs Opera 8 and a new
version of Mozilla Firefox for a browser on its 800 x 480 screen.

Garnet just released their Palm virtual machine for it adding
thousands of Palm programs to its functionality, if I want it. I
sync'd the virtual machine on it to my Palm Desktop over the wifi
link provided. Glad I didn't buy a palm phone. That would be
redundant.

It hasn't been boring since I got it a few months ago. Nearly
every day there's something new posted to play with on it,
something different. It's an amazing piece of work.

By the way, after reading PC Mag's review, they said iPhone has
no HID support, so the more functional external keyboard is out,
which answered my question as to why we couldn't find it on the
iPhone's device list to pair it.

Larry
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advantages. I just use 'em for an interconnect.

At 04 Dec 2007 02:41:12 +0000 Larry wrote:

> Someone pointed us to a scathing PC Magazine review they did on
> the iPhone.

I'd hardly call it "scathing." It seemed pretty on the mark- an intriguing
device wit
a couple of shortcomings.

> I read it. One of their negative points was it
> didn't support Bluetooth keyboards, at all, so you were forced to
> type on the tiny screen, rendering it fairly useless for typing
> long messages......amoung other faults.

I'm not always impressed by their reviews, anyway, since the individual
reviwer's biases often poke through. I remember when they reviewed my
current phone (an HTC Wizard, sold by T-Mo as the "MDA.") They reviwed
itand it's identical Cingular clone (same "Wizard" sold by the then-
Cingular as the "8125." Despite being the same phone, one review called it
unimpressive, slow and with lousy voice quality, and the other praised it's
sound quality and peppiness despite it's slow 200MHz processor, and called
it one of the best WinMo phones released to date!

I imagine that ten PC Mag reviewers would've written ten different reviews,
skewed by their personal wants and needs in a device.

Take your current "disbelief" that you can't hookup a BT keyboard.
Personally it's a non-issue to ME since I'm not going to schlep an external
keyboard to use with a 4-inch device. Call me crazy, but I prefer a
device's accessories to be SMALLER than the device itself! Having said
that, I don't think leaving out bluetooth support for ANYTHING is a good
idea- adding it would've cost comparitively nothing, and if it makes a few
curmudgeons happy, what's the harm? Besides, who knows what useful BT
devices that third party could create that might use the generic HID
driver? Hell, on the WinMo newsgroups there was a programmer not too long
ago that was going to rig a depth finder to his WinMo phone via BT, and
write some custom fish-finding GPS app for it!

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Take your current "disbelief" that you can't hookup a BT
keyboard.
> Personally it's a non-issue to ME since I'm not going to schlep
an
> external keyboard to use with a 4-inch device. Call me crazy,
but I
> prefer a device's accessories to be SMALLER than the device
itself!
> Having said that, I don't think leaving out bluetooth support
for
> ANYTHING is a good idea- adding it would've cost comparitively
> nothing, and if it makes a few curmudgeons happy, what's the
harm?
> Besides, who knows what useful BT devices that third party
could
> create that might use the generic HID driver? Hell, on the
WinMo
> newsgroups there was a programmer not too long ago that was
going to
> rig a depth finder to his WinMo phone via BT, and write some
custom
> fish-finding GPS app for it!
>
>

So, how do we get it to pair with the HID keyboards, any of them?
Any help doing so would be greatly appreciated, especially by my
friend. Thanks.


Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> Kurt <[email protected]> wrote in news:labolide-
> [email protected]:
>
> > All your sarcasm aside, what are you currently using that has
> the iPhone
> > so trumped in both price and functionality?
> >
> >
>
> You won't like it. Nokia N800 w/Nokia SU-8W BT keyboard. I just
> wish it had JAVA support. Maybe soon. It runs Opera 8 and a new
> version of Mozilla Firefox for a browser on its 800 x 480 screen.
>
> Garnet just released their Palm virtual machine for it adding
> thousands of Palm programs to its functionality, if I want it. I
> sync'd the virtual machine on it to my Palm Desktop over the wifi
> link provided. Glad I didn't buy a palm phone. That would be
> redundant.
>
> It hasn't been boring since I got it a few months ago. Nearly
> every day there's something new posted to play with on it,
> something different. It's an amazing piece of work.
>
> By the way, after reading PC Mag's review, they said iPhone has
> no HID support, so the more functional external keyboard is out,
> which answered my question as to why we couldn't find it on the
> iPhone's device list to pair it.
>
I have no problem with your enthusiasm (they do build these with a
market in mind), certainly doesn't trump the iPhone for me. Right away
the thing wouldn't serve me because it's too damn big.

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At 04 Dec 2007 22:11:09 +0000 Larry wrote:

> So, how do we get it to pair with the HID keyboards, any of them?


You don't with the iPhone- the guy I was referring to is using a WinMo phone,
which will pair with a BT keyboard.

> Any help doing so would be greatly appreciated, especially by my
> friend. Thanks.


Keep an eye on the iPhone hacker forums and blogs to see if anyone outside
of Apple kludges a fix, I guess...

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Keep an eye on the iPhone hacker forums and blogs to see if
anyone
> outside of Apple kludges a fix, I guess...
>
>

Yeah, I looked. Seems hardware based problem. Funny, the Macs
pair with it fine...then they have to test it by pressing the
keys just inboard of the shift keys to see what keyboard it is
EVEN THOUGH the make and model number of the keyboard is there at
the pairing....crazy computer.

Larry
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Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v