Sorry to dash your WiMax dreams, Larry...

Looks like the balloon is popping already...

http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/2...2/newsletter31

"Clear's on-the-go Internet service pricing is also tiered, but instead of
being based on speed, it's based on usage. For $30 per month users can
download up to 200 megabytes of data; $40 per month gives 2 gigabytes of
data transmission; both plans also include a $10 per gigabyte overage fee.
For $50 per month users can receive unlimited access to the network, though
Clearwire does indicate it can throttle network usage for certain
activities..."

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Ewh, bad prices, and look at those caps!
Ill just stick with my $15/month for unlimited EVDO Rev. A with Verizon,
even if its only 2mbit down and 512kbit up.

"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Looks like the balloon is popping already...
>
> http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/2...2/newsletter31
>
> "Clear's on-the-go Internet service pricing is also tiered, but instead of
> being based on speed, it's based on usage. For $30 per month users can
> download up to 200 megabytes of data; $40 per month gives 2 gigabytes of
> data transmission; both plans also include a $10 per gigabyte overage fee.
> For $50 per month users can receive unlimited access to the network,
> though Clearwire does indicate it can throttle network usage for certain
> activities..."
>

"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> For $50 per month users can receive unlimited access to the network,
> though Clearwire does indicate it can throttle network usage for
> certain activities..."
>
>

$10 cheaper than Verizon and 5 times faster and unlimited service is a
problem? I know 3 people in Baltimore with WiMax. 5.5Mbps down, 2.5Mbps
up and solid as a rock even walking down the street. How awful....

Found a Cricket dealer with a demo laptop on a USB donglemodem online,
today. Download varied from around 400Kbps to 700Kbps. Upload eat
Alltel's shorts! 250Kbps to 350Kbps UPLOAD! Should make rdesktop work
much better'n Alltel's 70Kbps upload cap. Webpages were OK. Aljazeera and
France 24 (both in English) using Livestation's Windows Media feed balked 3
times in 10 minutes. Aljazeera's Realmedia lower res feed played
perfect....virtually the same as Alltel....

I've ordered the EVDO-to-wifi router to plug the Cricket USB donglemodem
into to bypass the tethering-over-bluetooth problem. We'll see. It's
worth a try. I intend to simply leave the donglemodem-router in the
vehicle wifi'd to my tablet nearby in a building. The router people were
encouraging with the unit I ordered with external antennas. They also had
magmounts for the antennas with proper microwave cabling for S-band for the
rooftop....even space diversity spaced.

The dump to Verizon many not be as much of a problem as it was a week
ago....

"Jon" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

> Ill just stick with my $15/month for unlimited EVDO Rev. A with Verizon,
> even if its only 2mbit down and 512kbit up.
>

Too bad that's not tetherable.

.....and is only 5GB before it goes to $250/GB extra....

Speed means nothing if you can't use it....cheaply.

At 07 Jan 2009 00:55:03 +0000 Larry wrote:

> > For $50 per month users can receive unlimited access to the network,
> > though Clearwire does indicate it can throttle network usage for
> > certain activities..."
>
>
> $10 cheaper than Verizon and 5 times faster and unlimited service is a
> problem?


I was referring to the "throttle network usage for certain activities."
If you recall our earliest conversation about WiMax, I predicted
"unlimited" wouldn't be unlimited, and WiMax would be run just like
cellular. (IIRC, I also quoted The Who: "Meet the new boss/Same as the
old boss...")


> I know 3 people in Baltimore with WiMax. 5.5Mbps down, 2.5Mbps
> up and solid as a rock even walking down the street. How awful....


I'm not suggesting it doesn't work well, however, I wonder how much of
that is due to it's newness (underutilization of capacity.) T-Mo's two
dozen 3G customers are raving about its speed- a brand new network with a
theoretical 7.2MB/sec speed, and only two models of phone that can use
it! Let's check back with T-Mo and Clear in a year when their system is
loaded.


> Found a Cricket dealer with a demo laptop on a USB donglemodem online,
> today. Download varied from around 400Kbps to 700Kbps. Upload eat
> Alltel's shorts! 250Kbps to 350Kbps UPLOAD! Should make rdesktop work
> much better'n Alltel's 70Kbps upload cap. Webpages were OK. Aljazeera
and
> France 24 (both in English) using Livestation's Windows Media feed
balked 3
> times in 10 minutes. Aljazeera's Realmedia lower res feed played
> perfect....virtually the same as Alltel....
>
> I've ordered the EVDO-to-wifi router to plug the Cricket USB
donglemodem
> into to bypass the tethering-over-bluetooth problem. We'll see. It's
> worth a try. I intend to simply leave the donglemodem-router in the
> vehicle wifi'd to my tablet nearby in a building. The router people
were
> encouraging with the unit I ordered with external antennas. They also
had
> magmounts for the antennas with proper microwave cabling for S-band for
the
> rooftop....even space diversity spaced.

Why not wait until Verizon actually takes over- you hav a sweeter deal
and much better coverage with Alltel. (And 70k up is fine for rdesktop-
you're only sending keypresses and mouse cursor info.)


> The dump to Verizon many not be as much of a problem as it was a week
> ago....

It might be no problem at all if they grandfather your data plan. (I
realize a CSR said they wouldn't, but they don't always know what's what.)

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in news:OhX8l.34411
[email protected]:

> I was referring to the "throttle network usage for certain
activities."
> If you recall our earliest conversation about WiMax, I predicted
> "unlimited" wouldn't be unlimited, and WiMax would be run just like
> cellular. (IIRC, I also quoted The Who: "Meet the new boss/Same as
the
> old boss...")
>
>

Oh, hell, even the cable internets are throwing back to selling it by
the Byte. That's why I've been downloading like mad all these years.
Some day, everything will be forbidden except what you pay 25c/megabyte
for on all the outlets. Too much revenue is slipping through the
beancounters' fingers streaming and downloading they're not expressly
being paid for. This cannot "be".

We've all been here, before. It's very cyclical....The start selling x
bytes for $Y. One of the price fixers cuts their throats and drops the
counter hoping to hold the price up/user. Next thing you know, they're
all selling "unlimited" praying their asses off noone actually uses it
like that. A few do. Now that it's unlimited, young geniuses figure
out how to stream video and audio, how to encode video and audio and
post it to usenet they could never do before because it would cost
$5000/month if it weren't all-you-can-eat internet. Bandwidth demands
skyrocket as more and more figure out how to get it. Someone notices
revenues for PayTunes goes to **** as more get it for free. The company
comes out with a scheme to go back around the circle with a new name a
"new feature to save the system from the downloaders", even though it's
only at 60% load, and they either lower the speed cap to prevent it from
being fast....which now in 2009 makes the paying spammers MAD AS HELL,
and I don't think we'll see that cycle ever again.....or.....we'll limit
it to X GB/month BEFORE we slow it to a crawl. As it gets more and more
restrictive, the users get more and more pissed at the ever-increasing
lies trying to hide the truth. The disconnects go up until the cycle,
once-again, resets to the top and some turncoat has a big add
advertising UNLIMITED BANDWIDTH, praying like hell noone takes him up on
it....the cycle repeats...like the tide on the dock.

We're just entering the next "restriction phase". That'll work on the
Sheeple for a year or two, giving up their internet TV, radio, blog
streaming, P2P, usenet up/downloading.....until the pinch becomes
unbearable.

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> amazed us all with the
following in news:[email protected]:

> At 07 Jan 2009 00:55:03 +0000 Larry wrote:
>
>> > For $50 per month users can receive unlimited access to the
>> > network, though Clearwire does indicate it can throttle network
>> > usage for certain activities..."
>>
>>
>> $10 cheaper than Verizon and 5 times faster and unlimited service is
>> a problem?
>
>
> I was referring to the "throttle network usage for certain
> activities." If you recall our earliest conversation about WiMax, I
> predicted "unlimited" wouldn't be unlimited, and WiMax would be run
> just like cellular. (IIRC, I also quoted The Who: "Meet the new
> boss/Same as the old boss...")
>
>

Please name a national broadband provider that doesn't have the same
provision in their TOS or name one that doesn't already actively throttle
usage for certain activities. Once you think you know one, try this
experiment- Run a speed test on your computer. Then try to download with a
Bit Torrent client at decent speeds and then run another speed test. Don't
be surprised when the second set of numbers are noticeably worse than the
first. Network throttling at work.

One other thing- the throttling they refer to has no bearing on the
"unlimited" claim of the service- you can download as much data as you
want. No data limit caps, again unlike the rest of the national broadband
providers.

In article <[email protected]>, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Looks like the balloon is popping already...
>
>
> http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/2...082/newsletter
> 31
>
> "Clear's on-the-go Internet service pricing is also tiered, but instead of
> being based on speed, it's based on usage. For $30 per month users can
> download up to 200 megabytes of data; $40 per month gives 2 gigabytes of
> data transmission; both plans also include a $10 per gigabyte overage fee.
> For $50 per month users can receive unlimited access to the network, though
> Clearwire does indicate it can throttle network usage for certain
> activities..."

And does Larry know about the Nokia balloon popping?

http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/07/n...s-end-of-life/

--
Charles

The Bob <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Please name a national broadband provider that doesn't have the same
> provision in their TOS or name one that doesn't already actively
> throttle usage for certain activities. Once you think you know one,
> try this experiment- Run a speed test on your computer. Then try to
> download with a Bit Torrent client at decent speeds and then run
> another speed test. Don't be surprised when the second set of numbers
> are noticeably worse than the first. Network throttling at work.
>
> One other thing- the throttling they refer to has no bearing on the
> "unlimited" claim of the service- you can download as much data as you
> want. No data limit caps, again unlike the rest of the national
> broadband providers.
>
>

Alltel has never slowed me down that I can see. Of course, Friday, Alltel
will be history, making this point moot.















Dammit.

Larry <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
news:[email protected]:

> The Bob <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Please name a national broadband provider that doesn't have the same
>> provision in their TOS or name one that doesn't already actively
>> throttle usage for certain activities. Once you think you know one,
>> try this experiment- Run a speed test on your computer. Then try to
>> download with a Bit Torrent client at decent speeds and then run
>> another speed test. Don't be surprised when the second set of
>> numbers are noticeably worse than the first. Network throttling at
>> work.
>>
>> One other thing- the throttling they refer to has no bearing on the
>> "unlimited" claim of the service- you can download as much data as
>> you want. No data limit caps, again unlike the rest of the national
>> broadband providers.
>>
>>
>
> Alltel has never slowed me down that I can see. Of course, Friday,
> Alltel will be history, making this point moot.

Alltel is not a broadband provider.

Charles <[email protected]> wrote in news:070120092057206930%[email protected]:

> And does Larry know about the Nokia balloon popping?
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/07/n...s-end-of-life/
>
> --
> Charles
>
>

Yes. There seems to be movement afoot to standardize Wimax to 3.65Ghz band
worldwide. N810 on wrong band for that.....

Its tetherable, how else can I post on newsgroups when in a moving car?

And I have gone over 5GB plenty of times, never had to pay extra.

"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Jon" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> Ill just stick with my $15/month for unlimited EVDO Rev. A with Verizon,
>> even if its only 2mbit down and 512kbit up.
>>
>
> Too bad that's not tetherable.
>
> ....and is only 5GB before it goes to $250/GB extra....
>
> Speed means nothing if you can't use it....cheaply.
>

At 08 Jan 2009 00:42:37 +0000 The Bob wrote:


> > I was referring to the "throttle network usage for certain
> > activities." If you recall our earliest conversation about WiMax, I
> > predicted "unlimited" wouldn't be unlimited, and WiMax would be run
> > just like cellular. (IIRC, I also quoted The Who: "Meet the new
> > boss/Same as the old boss...")
> >
> >
>
> Please name a national broadband provider that doesn't have the same
> provision in their TOS or name one that doesn't already actively
throttle
> usage for certain activities.

Every TOS I've read recently includes some type of fair use provision
(although T-Mo USA had none until they launched 3G a few months ago-
apparently they felt the relative shortness of a normal human lifespan
would limit throughput at 2G speed!) ;-)

> Once you think you know one, try this
> experiment- Run a speed test on your computer. Then try to download
with a
> Bit Torrent client at decent speeds and then run another speed test.
Don't
> be surprised when the second set of numbers are noticeably worse than
the
> first. Network throttling at work.

I thought that packet-shaping stuff was a Comcast-only thing, but I'm not
much of a BT guy (unless a new series of "Doctor Who" is running in
England), so I'll take your word for it.


> One other thing- the throttling they refer to has no bearing on the
> "unlimited" claim of the service- you can download as much data as you
> want. No data limit caps, again unlike the rest of the national
broadband
> providers.


Agreed- I was only pointing out the realities of limited wireless
resources to our favorite Skyper who believed WiMax would usher in a new
Golden Age of cheap internet utopia.

Personally, I think WiMax will be a great competitive force that
hopefully saves Sprint's bacon, and keeps the other wireless companies
"honest", but it isn't going to be a game changer, IMO. (But I do hope
it's successful and brings my Sprint stock back up!) ;-)

At 07 Jan 2009 20:57:20 -0500 Charles wrote:

> > Looks like the balloon is popping already...
> >
> >
> >
http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/2...78/1082/newsle
tter
> > 31
> >
> > "Clear's on-the-go Internet service pricing is also tiered, but
instead of
> > being based on speed, it's based on usage. For $30 per month users
can
> > download up to 200 megabytes of data; $40 per month gives 2 gigabytes
of
> > data transmission; both plans also include a $10 per gigabyte overage
fee.
> > For $50 per month users can receive unlimited access to the network,
though
> > Clearwire does indicate it can throttle network usage for certain
> > activities..."
>
> And does Larry know about the Nokia balloon popping?
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/07/n...s-end-of-life/
>

The N810 WiMax was, unfortunately, a "nichier" version of an already
niche product.
It may be the harbinger of the end of the N810 in favor of a newer
updated N-series tablet (hey, Nokia: how about one with a built-in
cellular phone, or would that be too much to ask of a CELLPHONE
manufacturer!) or perhaps the end of the tablets altogether. Sadly, the
Nokia tablets were one of those "solutions looking for a problem"-type
products that just never caught on.

The increasing power and decreasing size of netbooks isn't going to help
the tablet biz any- tablets are now caught between the "rock" of
smartphones and the "hard place" of netbooks.

If Nokia cares to save them, they'll stick a 3G cellular radio and SIM
slot in the N-series, sell them unlocked and unsubsidized, and see what
happens...

In message <[email protected]> The Bob <[email protected]>
was claimed to have wrote:

>Please name a national broadband provider that doesn't have the same
>provision in their TOS or name one that doesn't already actively throttle
>usage for certain activities. Once you think you know one, try this
>experiment- Run a speed test on your computer. Then try to download with a
>Bit Torrent client at decent speeds and then run another speed test. Don't
>be surprised when the second set of numbers are noticeably worse than the
>first. Network throttling at work.

The same thing can happen without any throttling targeting bittorrent,
if you're uploading too much data for your ACK packets to get out in a
timely fashion your downstream speeds will suffer.