Telstra closes CDMA -official!

kubalister wrote:
>
>
> Simon VK3XEM wrote:
>> retroneo wrote:
>>
>>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same
>>> footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS)
>>>
>>> http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelst...ObjectID=35898
>>>
>>
>>
>> This is really going to piss off the farmers and country people!
>
> Why is that?
> They're going to be quite happy to finally have a superior 3G network
> with higher data speeds, video calling, and full GSM global roaming on
> the one handset with huge coverage across Australia. Why would that piss
> you off when so many people have been requesting it for a LONG time.
> The IS-95 network is not going to switch off tomorrow and most people
> will upgrade their handsets over the next few years anyway.
>
> If you had the option of a 850/900/1800/1900GSM & 850/2100UMTS network
> phone or an IS-95 850MHz CDMA hone with the same coverage across
> Australia which one would you choose????

How the hell is 3G going to have better range than CDMA??? Either
systems still need ****loads more towers than they currently have. I
know of whole areas without mobile (ex sat) coverage. So unless 3G is
some miracle child that triples the range...get real.

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Marli wrote:
> Im a farmer and I find the data on CDMA to be a lot faster that GSM networks
> EVDO is very quick..
>
> Another reason the American dickhead running Telstra should go home and not
> turn our system as crappy as the USA's system..
>
>
>
>
> "kubalister" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Simon VK3XEM wrote:
>>> retroneo wrote:
>>>
>>>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same
>>>> footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS)
>>>>
>>>> http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelst...ObjectID=35898
>>>
>>> This is really going to piss off the farmers and country people!
>> Why is that?
>> They're going to be quite happy to finally have a superior 3G network with
>> higher data speeds, video calling, and full GSM global roaming on the one
>> handset with huge coverage across Australia. Why would that piss you off
>> when so many people have been requesting it for a LONG time.
>> The IS-95 network is not going to switch off tomorrow and most people will
>> upgrade their handsets over the next few years anyway.
>>
>> If you had the option of a 850/900/1800/1900GSM & 850/2100UMTS network
>> phone or an IS-95 850MHz CDMA hone with the same coverage across Australia
>> which one would you choose????
>
>

I agree, I'm near Taree (dairy and beef farming) and the amount of
support here for CDMA, their appropriate range of options and the better
coverage is phenomenal. For a long time I used B&W Kyocera mobiles and
they were better than anything other than the old analogue around the
area. Most people around here that want a camera go and buy a proper
digital camera.

Michael wrote:
> "Simon VK3XEM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> retroneo wrote:
>>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same
>>> footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS)
>>>
>>>
> http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelst...icle.cfm?Objec
> tID=35898
>> This is really going to piss off the farmers and country people!
>
> Farmers and country people are all a bunch of whinging whining bastards
>
> Grow your own food? I do
>
>

Well **** off and grow your own beef, lamb and vegies you inconsiderate
greedy c$#t!!!

But I'll bet you will be the first to ***** if the country goes downhill
because the farmers don't export their grain etc and actually bring some
money back into the country.

kubalister wrote:
> There is nothing alarmist about it. Telstra have stated quite clearly:
> "We are Announcing Today a Plan to Standardise on a Single, National 3G
> GSM Mobile Network"
> That being a dual band 850/2100 MHz UMTS network.
>
> 2G GSM at 900 & 1800 MHz and the 2G/3G IS-95 & EV-DO at 850 MHz will be
> migrated to the new network.
> Once the government sees that the 850MHz UMTS network has the same
> coverage as the existing IS-95 network they won't hesitate to approve
> the de-commissioning.
>
> john harrison wrote:
>> Get your facts straight and stop being alarmist.
>>
>> Telstra will only close the CDMA network if they get Government approval
>> which is very unlikely. Readis the news release.
>>
>> I realy get fed up with people who don't get their facts straight . Get
>> your alarmist kicks somewhere else.
>>
>> Jh
>>
>>
>> "retroneo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same
>>> footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelst...icle.cfm?Objec
>>
>> tID=35898
>>
>>
>>

And then when they finally get the bloody thing near working, they will
replace it again, as per usual.

Intel Inside wrote:
> Link?
>
> "retroneo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> The first UMTS1900/2100 + GSM850/900/1800/1900 handset has been
>> announced (Nokia N80), so perhaps late next year UMTS850/1900/2100 +
>> GSM850/900/1800/1900 handsets will be available.
>>
>
>


Someone on ebay when I checked last was trying to sell a bulk lot from
China. Don't know if they would work in our system or not.

"Tsunami Australia" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> kubalister wrote:
>>
>>
>> Simon VK3XEM wrote:
>>> retroneo wrote:
>>>
>>>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the
>>>> same footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS)
>>>>
>>>> http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelst...ObjectID=35898
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is really going to piss off the farmers and country people!
>>
>> Why is that?
>> They're going to be quite happy to finally have a superior 3G network
>> with higher data speeds, video calling, and full GSM global roaming
>> on the one handset with huge coverage across Australia. Why would
>> that piss you off when so many people have been requesting it for a
>> LONG time. The IS-95 network is not going to switch off tomorrow and
>> most people will upgrade their handsets over the next few years
>> anyway. If you had the option of a 850/900/1800/1900GSM & 850/2100UMTS
>> network phone or an IS-95 850MHz CDMA hone with the same coverage
>> across Australia which one would you choose????
>
> How the hell is 3G going to have better range than CDMA???

Who said anything about 'better range'? He said it would have the same
coverage.

> Either
> systems still need ****loads more towers than they currently have. I
> know of whole areas without mobile (ex sat) coverage. So unless 3G is
> some miracle child that triples the range...get real.

It's basically the same as CDMA, which even you have been saying is great.

--
Kwyj

"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Simon VK3XEM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> retroneo wrote:
>> > Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same
>> > footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS)
>> >
>> >
> http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelst...icle.cfm?Objec
> tID=35898
>>
>> This is really going to piss off the farmers and country people!
>
> Farmers and country people are all a bunch of whinging whining bastards
>
> Grow your own food? I do

Pity about Barnaby Joyce

"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "john harrison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Get your facts straight and stop being alarmist.
>>
>> Telstra will only close the CDMA network if they get Government approval
>> which is very unlikely. Readis the news release.
>
> They dont need government "permission" to close anything

Pity about Barnaby Joyce
Pity about the 51% shareholder too

"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
>
> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > "john harrison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > news:[email protected]...
>> >> Get your facts straight and stop being alarmist.
>> >>
>> >> Telstra will only close the CDMA network if they get Government
>> >> approval which is very unlikely. Readis the news release.
>> >
>> > They dont need government "permission" to close anything
>>
>> They do need govt permission to use that band for 3G, stupid.
>
> No they dont. Its their spectrum, they can do whatever they want with it.
> Including nothing

Pity about the Radiocommunications Act.
Pity they are going to have different transmit characteristics that needs
ACMA approval.

"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "budgie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 14 Nov 2005 19:05:45 -0800, "retroneo" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same
>> >footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS)
>> >
>>
>>http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelst...ticle.cfm?Obje
> ctID=35898
>>
>>
>> "Telstra's Chief Operations Officer Greg Winn ... said that Telstra
>> spends
> more
>> than four times on capex per CDMA subscriber than it does per GSM
> subscriber".
>>
>> Who's surprised? That's the sort of number you'd expect in this country
> with
>> big empty spaces with sparse population. But if Telstra ever had a clue,
> they
>> should have been able to work this out ten years back. It never was
>> going
> to be
>> on the same ROI numbers as urban GSM.
>
> What that indicates, as a GSM customer, is that I'm not getting the best
> deal I can from Telstra.

Howard shut down the analogue network, more fool him.

Tsunami Australia <[email protected]> wrote:
> kubalister wrote:
>>
>>
>> Simon VK3XEM wrote:
>>> retroneo wrote:
>>>
>>>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the
>>>> same footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS)
>>>>
>>>> http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelst...ObjectID=35898
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is really going to piss off the farmers and country people!
>>
>> Why is that?
>> They're going to be quite happy to finally have a superior 3G network
>> with higher data speeds, video calling, and full GSM global roaming
>> on the one handset with huge coverage across Australia. Why would
>> that piss you off when so many people have been requesting it for a
>> LONG time. The IS-95 network is not going to switch off tomorrow and
>> most people will upgrade their handsets over the next few years
>> anyway. If you had the option of a 850/900/1800/1900GSM & 850/2100UMTS
>> network phone or an IS-95 850MHz CDMA hone with the same coverage
>> across Australia which one would you choose????
>
> How the hell is 3G going to have better range than CDMA??? Either
> systems still need ****loads more towers than they currently have.

Nope, 3G on the 850MHz band doesnt.

> I know of whole areas without mobile (ex sat) coverage. So unless 3G is some
> miracle child that triples the range...get real.

Tsunami Australia <[email protected]> wrote:
> Michael wrote:
>> "Simon VK3XEM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> retroneo wrote:
>>>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the
>>>> same footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS)
>>>>
>>>>
>> http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelst...icle.cfm?Objec
>> tID=35898
>>> This is really going to piss off the farmers and country people!
>>
>> Farmers and country people are all a bunch of whinging whining
>> bastards Grow your own food? I do

> Well **** off and grow your own beef, lamb and vegies you inconsiderate greedy
> c$#t!!!

> But I'll bet you will be the first to ***** if the country goes
> downhill because the farmers don't export their grain etc

Taint gunna happen. The drought didnt have much effect at all.

> and actually bring some money back into the country.

Other stuff does that much more.

thegoons <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news[email protected]...
>>
>> "budgie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 14 Nov 2005 19:05:45 -0800, "retroneo" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the
>>>> same footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS)
>>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelst...ticle.cfm?Obje
>>> ctID=35898 "Telstra's Chief Operations Officer Greg Winn ... said that
>>> Telstra
>>> spends
>> more
>>> than four times on capex per CDMA subscriber than it does per GSM
>>> subscriber". Who's surprised? That's the sort of number you'd expect in
>>> this
>>> country with big empty spaces with sparse population. But if
>>> Telstra ever had a clue, they should have been able to work this
>>> out ten years back. It never was going
>> to be
>>> on the same ROI numbers as urban GSM.
>>
>> What that indicates, as a GSM customer, is that I'm not getting the
>> best deal I can from Telstra.

> Howard shut down the analogue network,

Lie, that was a contractual agreement done by Labor.

> more fool him.

More fool Labor, actually.

"Tsunami Australia" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> Michael wrote:
> > "Simon VK3XEM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> retroneo wrote:
> >>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the
same
> >>> footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS)
> >>>
> >>>
> >
http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelst...icle.cfm?Objec
> > tID=35898
> >> This is really going to piss off the farmers and country people!
> >
> > Farmers and country people are all a bunch of whinging whining bastards
> >
> > Grow your own food? I do
> >
> >
>
> Well **** off and grow your own beef, lamb and vegies you inconsiderate
> greedy c$#t!!!

As above, I do grow my own vegies.

Farmers and country people are all a bunch of whinging whining bastards
You just proved it.

> But I'll bet you will be the first to ***** if the country goes downhill
> because the farmers don't export their grain etc and actually bring some
> money back into the country.

Primary industries, pffft

Anyone can grow wheat into the ground and have it grow.

"thegoons" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news[email protected]...
> >
> > "budgie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> On 14 Nov 2005 19:05:45 -0800, "retroneo" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> >>
> >> >Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the
same
> >> >footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS)
> >> >
> >>
>
>>http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelst...rticle.cfm?Obj
e
> > ctID=35898
> >>
> >>
> >> "Telstra's Chief Operations Officer Greg Winn ... said that Telstra
> >> spends
> > more
> >> than four times on capex per CDMA subscriber than it does per GSM
> > subscriber".
> >>
> >> Who's surprised? That's the sort of number you'd expect in this
country
> > with
> >> big empty spaces with sparse population. But if Telstra ever had a
clue,
> > they
> >> should have been able to work this out ten years back. It never was
> >> going
> > to be
> >> on the same ROI numbers as urban GSM.
> >
> > What that indicates, as a GSM customer, is that I'm not getting the best
> > deal I can from Telstra.
>
> Howard shut down the analogue network, more fool him.

Yep, stupid decision. It should have been allowed to die a slow, COMMERCIAL
death