Sending SMS to Triple-0

DaN wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:29:02 +1100, Zyxak wrote:
>
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>>On 15/12/05 09:04, Ed- uttered the following...
>>
>>
>>>112 is the gsm emergency no. so it should take sms
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Dialling 112 from a GSM mobile simply forwards the call to emergency
>>number for the country where the call is initiated. In Australia that's
>>000 and 000 doesn't support SMS.
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> 112 also allows you to use ANY service provider to make the call even if
> there is no service provided to that phone.
>
Yep, it works even if your phone doesn't have a SIM in it ! Great idea.

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DaN <[email protected]> writes:

>On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:29:02 +1100, Zyxak wrote:

>> On 15/12/05 09:04, Ed- uttered the following...
>>
>>>112 is the gsm emergency no. so it should take sms
>>>
>> Dialling 112 from a GSM mobile simply forwards the call to emergency
>> number for the country where the call is initiated. In Australia that's
>> 000 and 000 doesn't support SMS.

>112 also allows you to use ANY service provider to make the call even if
>there is no service provided to that phone.

But there has to be coverage in the first place. Not necessarily from the
carrier for which the phone's SIM might be registered too, if it has a SIM
fitted. Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number
providing there is coverage from at least one carrier of sufficient signal
strength.

Craig.
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> Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number

I'd be willing to bet that every call made to 000 or 112 from a mobile
phone without a SIM card is a hoax call. I'm afraid I just can't see
what benefit there is from allowing it.

Peter

"Pete" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number
>
> I'd be willing to bet that every call made to 000 or 112 from a mobile
> phone without a SIM card is a hoax call. I'm afraid I just can't see what
> benefit there is from allowing it.
>
> Peter

stolen/blocked handset, but most obviously when the user has a SIM for
another network and is in the coverage area of some other network. It would
be difficult for this network to be able to determine if the phone does in
fact have a SIM card inserted. One way would be for it to send MM message
AUTHENTICATION REQUEST(RAND), then the MS would respond with AUTHENTICATION
RESPONSE(SRES), which would be discarded by the network. This would suggest
to the network that the MS does in fact have a SIM present. But this would
not be easy to implement. And this doesn't stop someone with advanced or
modified equipment placing false calls.

Also, honouring emergency calls is optional in the GSM specs (the Emergency
bit in BCCH indicates this), but all Australian networks do.

Pete <[email protected]> wrote:

>> Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number

> I'd be willing to bet that every call made to 000 or 112 from a mobile phone
> without a SIM card is a hoax call.

More fool you.

> I'm afraid I just can't see what benefit there is from allowing it.

It allows you to make an emergency call when the carrier
your sim is with doesnt have coverage in that area, stupid.

"Pete" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number
>
> I'd be willing to bet that every call made to 000 or 112 from a mobile
> phone without a SIM card is a hoax call. I'm afraid I just can't see
> what benefit there is from allowing it.

I'd be willing to bet you are wrong

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Pete <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number
>
> > I'd be willing to bet that every call made to 000 or 112 from a mobile
phone
> > without a SIM card is a hoax call.
>
> More fool you.
>
> > I'm afraid I just can't see what benefit there is from allowing it.
>
> It allows you to make an emergency call when the carrier
> your sim is with doesnt have coverage in that area, stupid.

It also allows you to use the mobile to make an emergency call if you dont
have a valid subscription

You can literally carry a SIMless mobile "for emergencies"

Pete wrote:
> > Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number
>
> I'd be willing to bet that every call made to 000 or 112 from a mobile
> phone without a SIM card is a hoax call. I'm afraid I just can't see
> what benefit there is from allowing it.
>
> Peter

I also don't see what the advantage in that is, especially given that
any network will accept a 112 call even if there's a different network's
sim in the phone.

Michael wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Pete <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number
>>
>>>I'd be willing to bet that every call made to 000 or 112 from a mobile
>
> phone
>
>>>without a SIM card is a hoax call.
>>
>>More fool you.
>>
>>
>>>I'm afraid I just can't see what benefit there is from allowing it.
>>
>>It allows you to make an emergency call when the carrier
>>your sim is with doesnt have coverage in that area, stupid.
>
>
> It also allows you to use the mobile to make an emergency call if you dont
> have a valid subscription
>
> You can literally carry a SIMless mobile "for emergencies"
>
>

I still don't see why they need to implement that. If they're worried
about emergencies, then phone companies should never be allowed to
disconnect landline services from properties just in case there isn't
any mobile coverage at that specific location.

:
: I still don't see why they need to implement that. If they're worried
: about emergencies, then phone companies should never be allowed to
: disconnect landline services from properties just in case there isn't
: any mobile coverage at that specific location.

You can request just that, incoming calls, + outgoing emergency
for no line rental

"Graeme Willox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Pete wrote:
>> > Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number
>>
>> I'd be willing to bet that every call made to 000 or 112 from a mobile
>> phone without a SIM card is a hoax call. I'm afraid I just can't see
>> what benefit there is from allowing it.
>>
>> Peter
>
> I also don't see what the advantage in that is, especially given that any
> network will accept a 112 call even if there's a different network's sim
> in the phone.

Because there's no difference at the technical level.

Pete wrote:
> > Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number
>
> I'd be willing to bet that every call made to 000 or 112 from a mobile
> phone without a SIM card is a hoax call. I'm afraid I just can't see
> what benefit there is from allowing it.
>
> Peter

Many years ago I was on Optarse and required Emergency assistance and
called 112 repeatedly, the call would connect and disconnect. In the
end I had to remove the SIM card and put the phone back together in a
difficult situation requiring my physical intervention, the call went
straight through without a problem!

So it is required sometimes, the biggest problem is they are then unable
to call you back. At the time Optarse admitted blocking 112 calls to me
and refused to rectify the problem, I promptly told them to get ****ed
and they lost in excess of $500 in account fees that were never paid and
I was on another carrier the next day.



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Graeme Willox <[email protected]> wrote
> Michael wrote
>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Pete <[email protected]> wrote

>>>>> Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number

>>>> I'd be willing to bet that every call made to 000 or 112 from a mobile
>>>> phone without a SIM card is a hoax call.

>>> More fool you.

>>>> I'm afraid I just can't see what benefit there is from allowing it.

>>> It allows you to make an emergency call when the carrier
>>> your sim is with doesnt have coverage in that area, stupid.

>> It also allows you to use the mobile to make an emergency call if you dont
>> have a valid subscription

>> You can literally carry a SIMless mobile "for emergencies"

> I still don't see why they need to implement that.

They dont need to, they basically got leaned on to do that.

> If they're worried about emergencies, then phone companies should never be
> allowed to disconnect landline services from properties just in case there
> isn't any mobile coverage at that specific location.

Separate issue entirely. Quite a bit of the detail
with mobile networks is quite different to landlines.

Ed- <[email protected]> wrote:

>> I still don't see why they need to implement that. If they're
>> worried about emergencies, then phone companies should
>> never be allowed to disconnect landline services from properties
>> just in case there isn't any mobile coverage at that specific location.

> You can request just that, incoming calls,
> + outgoing emergency for no line rental

Anyone cant request that, only some qualify for that service.

Michael wrote:

>>I'd be willing to bet that every call made to 000 or 112 from a mobile
>>phone without a SIM card is a hoax call. I'm afraid I just can't see
>>what benefit there is from allowing it.

> I'd be willing to bet you are wrong

You have the numbers?

Peter