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  1. #1
    MJT
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    My daughter and son-in-law signed up with Three (3) for a $30 a month
    capped plan on 3G. the plan also includes an LG fliptop phone.

    I was having a play with one of the phones today and in particular the
    internet bit. They're down visiting, so they're out of the 3G area, but
    auto-roams with Telstra. The browsing bit looks impressive, albeit a bit
    slow. I think that it's faster when they're on a 3G network.

    However, they're not overly rapt in the phones. My s-i-l's phone
    occasionally has to be reset as it has locked up. I don't think that my
    daughter's has been any problems yet. The buttons are a tad small,
    though.

    I'm wondering - what would be the phone to get in the flip-phone range?
    Nokia, Motorola, what?

    Also, I wonder when Telstra or whoever will start rolling out 3G
    services to take over the CDMA network outside of the cities. In
    particular I'm interested in Victoria.



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  2. #2
    Jonathan Wilson
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    Re: Fliptop Mobiles and 3G

    > I'm wondering - what would be the phone to get in the flip-phone range?
    > Nokia, Motorola, what?

    Do you want low-end or high-end?
    What features do you want? Camera? MP3 Player? Internet?



  3. #3
    A User
    Guest

    Re: Fliptop Mobiles and 3G

    On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:07:58 +1000, MJT <[email protected]> wrote:

    >My daughter and son-in-law signed up with Three (3) for a $30 a month
    >capped plan on 3G. the plan also includes an LG fliptop phone.
    >
    >I was having a play with one of the phones today and in particular the
    >internet bit. They're down visiting, so they're out of the 3G area, but
    >auto-roams with Telstra. The browsing bit looks impressive, albeit a bit
    >slow. I think that it's faster when they're on a 3G network.
    >
    >However, they're not overly rapt in the phones. My s-i-l's phone
    >occasionally has to be reset as it has locked up. I don't think that my
    >daughter's has been any problems yet. The buttons are a tad small,
    >though.
    >


    Welcome to 3's world..

    >I'm wondering - what would be the phone to get in the flip-phone range?
    >Nokia, Motorola, what?
    >
    >Also, I wonder when Telstra or whoever will start rolling out 3G
    >services to take over the CDMA network outside of the cities. In
    >particular I'm interested in Victoria.


    Several years. Not handsets yet. Voda and Optus are rolling it out
    now, albeit the Telstra one will be incompatible with current
    handsets.



  4. #4
    Jonathan Wilson
    Guest

    Re: Fliptop Mobiles and 3G

    > Several years. Not handsets yet. Voda and Optus are rolling it out
    > now, albeit the Telstra one will be incompatible with current
    > handsets.

    Why would Telstra be rolling out anything other than bog standard UMTS 3G?
    What would <insert standard> give Telstra that UMTS doesnt?



  5. #5
    A User
    Guest

    Re: Fliptop Mobiles and 3G

    On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:53:45 +0800, Jonathan Wilson
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> Several years. Not handsets yet. Voda and Optus are rolling it out
    >> now, albeit the Telstra one will be incompatible with current
    >> handsets.

    >Why would Telstra be rolling out anything other than bog standard UMTS 3G?
    >What would <insert standard> give Telstra that UMTS doesnt?


    Telstra is rolling out an 3g 850mhz network. Don't ask me why....
    Maybe there are advantages, other than marketing. The current 3g
    network is 2100mhz and handsets are plentiful.

    It's allowed as part of the standard, but no one has done it yet.
    Telstra are doing it on their own.



  6. #6
    John Henderson
    Guest

    Re: Fliptop Mobiles and 3G

    A User wrote:

    > Telstra is rolling out an 3g 850mhz network. Don't ask me
    > why....


    It's to give coverage equivalent to the current CDMA. 850 mHz
    has superior characteristics to 2100 in this respect.

    John



  7. #7
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Fliptop Mobiles and 3G

    John Henderson <[email protected]> wrote
    > A User wrote


    >> Telstra is rolling out an 3g 850mhz network. Don't ask me why....


    > It's to give coverage equivalent to the current CDMA.


    Nope, its because they have those frequencys already.

    > 850 mHz has superior characteristics to 2100 in this respect.


    That aint the reason they are doing that terminal stupidity.





  8. #8
    Michael
    Guest

    Re: Fliptop Mobiles and 3G

    > Welcome to 3's world..
    >
    > >I'm wondering - what would be the phone to get in the flip-phone range?
    > >Nokia, Motorola, what?
    > >
    > >Also, I wonder when Telstra or whoever will start rolling out 3G
    > >services to take over the CDMA network outside of the cities. In
    > >particular I'm interested in Victoria.

    >
    > Several years. Not handsets yet. Voda and Optus are rolling it out
    > now, albeit the Telstra one will be incompatible with current
    > handsets.


    Not exactly. Only for those that are in an 850 3G area, not a 2100 3G area





  9. #9
    Michael
    Guest

    Re: Fliptop Mobiles and 3G


    "Jonathan Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > > Several years. Not handsets yet. Voda and Optus are rolling it out
    > > now, albeit the Telstra one will be incompatible with current
    > > handsets.

    > Why would Telstra be rolling out anything other than bog standard UMTS 3G?
    > What would <insert standard> give Telstra that UMTS doesnt?


    Its bog standard, just on the 850mhz band (when CDMA is replaced)

    the 2100mhz 3G is bog standard





  10. #10
    Michael
    Guest

    Re: Fliptop Mobiles and 3G


    "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > John Henderson <[email protected]> wrote
    > > A User wrote

    >
    > >> Telstra is rolling out an 3g 850mhz network. Don't ask me why....

    >
    > > It's to give coverage equivalent to the current CDMA.

    >
    > Nope, its because they have those frequencys already.


    Crap.
    If that was the case, they would just turn off CDMA and put a 2100mhz 3G
    service on each base station

    Then you would have holes of coverage because the 850mhz is better for
    propogation in those areas

    > > 850 mHz has superior characteristics to 2100 in this respect.

    >
    > That aint the reason they are doing that terminal stupidity.


    Its the ONLY reason they are doing it
    >
    >






  11. #11
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Fliptop Mobiles and 3G

    Michael <[email protected]> wrote
    > Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >> John Henderson <[email protected]> wrote
    >>> A User wrote


    >>>> Telstra is rolling out an 3g 850mhz network. Don't ask me why....


    >>> It's to give coverage equivalent to the current CDMA.


    >> Nope, its because they have those frequencys already.


    > Crap.


    No need to obsess about what you deal with every day,
    you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.

    > If that was the case, they would just turn off CDMA
    > and put a 2100mhz 3G service on each base station


    Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
    never ever had a ****ing clue about anything at all, ever.

    > Then you would have holes of coverage because
    > the 850mhz is better for propogation in those areas


    Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
    never ever had a ****ing clue about anything at all, ever.

    >>> 850 mHz has superior characteristics to 2100 in this respect.


    >> That aint the reason they are doing that terminal stupidity.


    > Its the ONLY reason they are doing it


    Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
    never ever had a ****ing clue about anything at all, ever.





  12. #12
    A User
    Guest

    Re: Fliptop Mobiles and 3G

    On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:17:08 +1000, John Henderson
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >A User wrote:
    >
    >> Telstra is rolling out an 3g 850mhz network. Don't ask me
    >> why....

    >
    >It's to give coverage equivalent to the current CDMA. 850 mHz
    >has superior characteristics to 2100 in this respect.
    >
    >John


    That has nothing to do with propagation at that frequency, GSM is
    based on a 35km cell size. I believe 3G is is based on WCDMA? I might
    be wrong.



  13. #13
    John Henderson
    Guest

    Re: Fliptop Mobiles and 3G

    A User wrote:

    > That has nothing to do with propagation at that frequency, GSM
    > is based on a 35km cell size. I believe 3G is is based on
    > WCDMA? I might be wrong.


    Because it "bends" better around topographic features, the
    choice of a lower frequency for rural areas has a lot to do
    with propagation over longer distances. Cingular (US) and
    Telstra seem to be pushing for 850 mHz to become a UMTS 3G
    standard.

    I'm not sure what your point about GSM is.

    John



  14. #14
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Fliptop Mobiles and 3G

    John Henderson <[email protected]> wrote:
    > A User wrote:
    >
    >> That has nothing to do with propagation at that frequency, GSM
    >> is based on a 35km cell size. I believe 3G is is based on
    >> WCDMA? I might be wrong.


    > Because it "bends" better around topographic features, the
    > choice of a lower frequency for rural areas has a lot to do
    > with propagation over longer distances.


    Its MUCH more complicated than that.

    > Cingular (US) and Telstra seem to be pushing
    > for 850 mHz to become a UMTS 3G standard.


    More fool them.





  15. #15
    A User
    Guest

    Re: Fliptop Mobiles and 3G

    On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:38:53 +1000, John Henderson
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >A User wrote:
    >
    >> That has nothing to do with propagation at that frequency, GSM
    >> is based on a 35km cell size. I believe 3G is is based on
    >> WCDMA? I might be wrong.

    >
    >Because it "bends" better around topographic features, the
    >choice of a lower frequency for rural areas has a lot to do
    >with propagation over longer distances. Cingular (US) and
    >Telstra seem to be pushing for 850 mHz to become a UMTS 3G
    >standard.
    >


    Tell me your reference for it to "bend". Is there a physics text book
    you could refer to? What is the techincal term? You thinking
    tropospehric scatter may be? I don't think the propogation is
    significantly different.

    >I'm not sure what your point about GSM is.
    >


    >John




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