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  1. #16
    EnjoyDialup
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    Re: Indigenous Hunter reverse directory site.

    <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:44:02 +1000, Scornful <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:02:14 +0930, horacewachope wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> <http://www.privacylawyer.ca/blog/atom.xml>
    >>>
    >>> The Privacy Commissioner of Australia is poised to investigate a
    >>> controvertial "reverse directory" in that country.

    >>
    >>It will be interesting to read the results of the investigation, and to
    >>see how much it costs in taxpayer dollars.
    >>
    >>These politically correct clowns are impervious to rational thought.

    >
    > I'm more concerned about the "telecommunications industry sources" who
    > think that an "overseas computer hacker" has gained access to the
    > IPND to create the site.
    >
    > That's just mind numbingly STUPID.
    >
    > Anyone with even a modicum of knowledge about these sorts of things
    > (let alone a someone classed as a "telecommunications industry
    > source") , would know that it's far, far, far more likely that
    > someone's just stripped the data from a CD-ROM phone directory.
    >
    > The outdatedness of parts of it (together with the lack of any silent
    > numbers appearing in it) is a bit of a give-away.



    I found at least one number that I know to be silent in this database. Cant
    post it here for obvious reasons


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  2. #17
    Wolfgang Wildeblood
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    Re: Indigenous Hunter reverse directory site.

    EnjoyDialup wrote:
    > <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:44:02 +1000, Scornful <[email protected]>
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > >>On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:02:14 +0930, horacewachope wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>> <http://www.privacylawyer.ca/blog/atom.xml>
    > >>>
    > >>> The Privacy Commissioner of Australia is poised to investigate a
    > >>> controvertial "reverse directory" in that country.
    > >>
    > >>It will be interesting to read the results of the investigation, and to
    > >>see how much it costs in taxpayer dollars.
    > >>
    > >>These politically correct clowns are impervious to rational thought.

    > >
    > > I'm more concerned about the "telecommunications industry sources" who
    > > think that an "overseas computer hacker" has gained access to the
    > > IPND to create the site.
    > >
    > > That's just mind numbingly STUPID.
    > >
    > > Anyone with even a modicum of knowledge about these sorts of things
    > > (let alone a someone classed as a "telecommunications industry
    > > source") , would know that it's far, far, far more likely that
    > > someone's just stripped the data from a CD-ROM phone directory.
    > >
    > > The outdatedness of parts of it (together with the lack of any silent
    > > numbers appearing in it) is a bit of a give-away.

    >
    >
    > I found at least one number that I know to be silent in this database. Cant
    > post it here for obvious reasons


    Well I couldn't find no S Ghidella, so as far as I'm concerned, it's
    all much ado about nothing.




  3. #18
    Guest

    Re: Indigenous Hunter reverse directory site.

    > Women in particular are afraid that it'll make a good tool for stalkers

    ****en *****es.





  4. #19

    Re: Indigenous Hunter reverse directory site.

    On 25 May 2006 12:31:15 +0200, "EnjoyDialup" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    ><[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:44:02 +1000, Scornful <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:02:14 +0930, horacewachope wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> <http://www.privacylawyer.ca/blog/atom.xml>
    >>>>
    >>>> The Privacy Commissioner of Australia is poised to investigate a
    >>>> controvertial "reverse directory" in that country.
    >>>
    >>>It will be interesting to read the results of the investigation, and to
    >>>see how much it costs in taxpayer dollars.
    >>>
    >>>These politically correct clowns are impervious to rational thought.

    >>
    >> I'm more concerned about the "telecommunications industry sources" who
    >> think that an "overseas computer hacker" has gained access to the
    >> IPND to create the site.
    >>
    >> That's just mind numbingly STUPID.
    >>
    >> Anyone with even a modicum of knowledge about these sorts of things
    >> (let alone a someone classed as a "telecommunications industry
    >> source") , would know that it's far, far, far more likely that
    >> someone's just stripped the data from a CD-ROM phone directory.
    >>
    >> The outdatedness of parts of it (together with the lack of any silent
    >> numbers appearing in it) is a bit of a give-away.

    >
    >
    >I found at least one number that I know to be silent in this database. Cant
    >post it here for obvious reasons


    Someone else just told me that a silent number belonging to them was
    listed as well.

    I don't know if it was silent at the time the data used on that site
    was collated, however.





  5. #20
    Kwyjibo.
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    Re: Indigenous Hunter reverse directory site.

    <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > <http://www.privacylawyer.ca/blog/atom.xml>
    >
    > The Privacy Commissioner of Australia is poised to investigate a
    > controvertial "reverse directory" in that country. The site,
    > www.boonghunter.com, provides names, addresses and numbers of
    > residents based on partial information, including just the streets
    > they live on.


    Surprised they didn't mention http://mazzanet.id.au/greypages.php



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  6. #21
    Kwyjibo.
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    Re: Indigenous Hunter reverse directory site.

    "Josh B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Thu, 25 May 2006 10:13:09 GMT, Kym Kim (Noturyulo) (or one of their
    > many personalities) said......
    >
    >
    >>> disturbed Telstra, which yesterday described it as "a gross invasion
    >>> of privacy".

    >>
    >> Pity Telstra are willing to sell exactly the same info if you can
    >> front up with enough cash.
    >>
    >>> Sensis, Telstra's online directory division, said it was "appalled"
    >>> by

    >>
    >> Pity Sensis are willing to sell exactly the same info if you can
    >> front up with enough cash.

    >
    > Telstra owns Sensis, so it's the same company.


    Really? What gave that away? Was it the bit that read "Sensis, Telstra's
    online directory division...."

    > HTH.


    You weren't any, as usual.

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  7. #22
    EnjoyDialup
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    Re: Indigenous Hunter reverse directory site.

    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On 25 May 2006 12:31:15 +0200, "EnjoyDialup" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >><[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]...
    >>> On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:44:02 +1000, Scornful <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:02:14 +0930, horacewachope wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> <http://www.privacylawyer.ca/blog/atom.xml>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> The Privacy Commissioner of Australia is poised to investigate a
    >>>>> controvertial "reverse directory" in that country.
    >>>>
    >>>>It will be interesting to read the results of the investigation, and to
    >>>>see how much it costs in taxpayer dollars.
    >>>>
    >>>>These politically correct clowns are impervious to rational thought.
    >>>
    >>> I'm more concerned about the "telecommunications industry sources" who
    >>> think that an "overseas computer hacker" has gained access to the
    >>> IPND to create the site.
    >>>
    >>> That's just mind numbingly STUPID.
    >>>
    >>> Anyone with even a modicum of knowledge about these sorts of things
    >>> (let alone a someone classed as a "telecommunications industry
    >>> source") , would know that it's far, far, far more likely that
    >>> someone's just stripped the data from a CD-ROM phone directory.
    >>>
    >>> The outdatedness of parts of it (together with the lack of any silent
    >>> numbers appearing in it) is a bit of a give-away.

    >>
    >>
    >>I found at least one number that I know to be silent in this database.
    >>Cant
    >>post it here for obvious reasons

    >
    > Someone else just told me that a silent number belonging to them was
    > listed as well.
    >
    > I don't know if it was silent at the time the data used on that site
    > was collated, however.


    The number I check has always been silent. So it would appear that some
    silent numbers are listed, while others are not according to wolfgang.

    The owner of the site has gone to some trouble to mask their identity and
    location. I would not be surprised if it was an Australian, despite the
    blurb to the contra on the site.

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  8. #23

    Re: Indigenous Hunter reverse directory site.

    On 25 May 2006 15:37:28 +0200, "EnjoyDialup" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    ><[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> On 25 May 2006 12:31:15 +0200, "EnjoyDialup" <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>><[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected]...
    >>>> On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:44:02 +1000, Scornful <[email protected]>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:02:14 +0930, horacewachope wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> <http://www.privacylawyer.ca/blog/atom.xml>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> The Privacy Commissioner of Australia is poised to investigate a
    >>>>>> controvertial "reverse directory" in that country.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>It will be interesting to read the results of the investigation, and to
    >>>>>see how much it costs in taxpayer dollars.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>These politically correct clowns are impervious to rational thought.
    >>>>
    >>>> I'm more concerned about the "telecommunications industry sources" who
    >>>> think that an "overseas computer hacker" has gained access to the
    >>>> IPND to create the site.
    >>>>
    >>>> That's just mind numbingly STUPID.
    >>>>
    >>>> Anyone with even a modicum of knowledge about these sorts of things
    >>>> (let alone a someone classed as a "telecommunications industry
    >>>> source") , would know that it's far, far, far more likely that
    >>>> someone's just stripped the data from a CD-ROM phone directory.
    >>>>
    >>>> The outdatedness of parts of it (together with the lack of any silent
    >>>> numbers appearing in it) is a bit of a give-away.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>I found at least one number that I know to be silent in this database.
    >>>Cant
    >>>post it here for obvious reasons

    >>
    >> Someone else just told me that a silent number belonging to them was
    >> listed as well.
    >>
    >> I don't know if it was silent at the time the data used on that site
    >> was collated, however.

    >
    >The number I check has always been silent. So it would appear that some
    >silent numbers are listed, while others are not according to wolfgang.


    It'd be far more likely that Telstra has made a mistake, and the
    number isn't actually "listed" as a silent number.

    Incidentally, no silent number that I've checked (out of about a
    dozen) has appeared.

    >The owner of the site has gone to some trouble to mask their identity and
    >location. I would not be surprised if it was an Australian, despite the
    >blurb to the contra on the site.


    What trouble did he or she go to? Not putting "name and location" up
    on the site (when "name and location" has no relevance to the
    "service" the site is offering)? Wow. That's some trouble.

    Furthermore, it appears that the owner was quite happy to call the
    solicitor from the ALS, which is not something that someone trying to
    "mask their identity" would be.

    The media/Telstra/government reaction to this site has been
    over-the-top.

    Precisely the same information (subject to the silent number
    controversy) has been available on CD for years.





  9. #24

    Re: Indigenous Hunter reverse directory site.

    On Thu, 25 May 2006 10:09:27 GMT, "Kym Kim \(Noturyulo\)"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >>> >> The Privacy Commissioner of Australia is poised to investigate a
    >>> >> controvertial "reverse directory" in that country.
    >>> >
    >>> >It will be interesting to read the results of the investigation, and to
    >>> >see how much it costs in taxpayer dollars.
    >>> >
    >>> >These politically correct clowns are impervious to rational thought.
    >>>

    >
    >>> Anyone with even a modicum of knowledge about these sorts of things
    >>> (let alone a someone classed as a "telecommunications industry
    >>> source") , would know that it's far, far, far more likely that
    >>> someone's just stripped the data from a CD-ROM phone directory.

    >>
    >> You can confirm that by the age of the data.

    >
    >It's pretty obvious how they did it because private numbers aren't listed.
    >Plus how could they hack in and get a 2 year old copy??


    I'm glad SOMEONE has finally raised these points, Kym Kim.

    They were crying out for raising.




  10. #25

    Re: Indigenous Hunter reverse directory site.

    On Thu, 25 May 2006 10:12:19 GMT, "Big LN" <[email protected]> wrote:

    ><[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >>
    >> <http://www.privacylawyer.ca/blog/atom.xml>
    >>
    >> The Privacy Commissioner of Australia is poised to investigate a
    >> controvertial "reverse directory" in that country. The site,
    >> www.boonghunter.com, provides names, addresses and numbers of
    >> residents based on partial information, including just the streets
    >> they live on. Women in particular are afraid that it'll make a good
    >> tool for stalkers. The Advertiser: Women fear website puts them in
    >> danger [23may06]. By MICHAEL OWEN 23may06 AN unauthorised telephone
    >> directory website has alarmed women, who fear it will increase the
    >> risk of stalking and endanger women and children seeking refuge from
    >> domestic violence. The website - www.boonghunter.com - also has
    >> disturbed Telstra, which yesterday described it as "a gross invasion
    >> of privacy". The website and the source of its information was last
    >> night under investigation by federal authorities, including the
    >> Australian Communications and Media Authority and the Office of the
    >> Federal Privacy Commissioner.
    >>
    >> Sensis, Telstra's online directory division, said it was "appalled" by
    >> the website, which provides "reverse search" access to address and
    >> telephone numbers of individuals. "Unlike the White Pages directory,
    >> where you need to know the name of the person you are searching for
    >> before you can find their details, reverse searching enables people to
    >> search for your private details without knowing who you are," Sensis
    >> Corporate Affairs Manager Karina White said. "For example, you can
    >> find out someone's personal details just by knowing the street they
    >> live on. "Whoever is behind this website has no regard for
    >> Australians' rights to have their personal contact information handled
    >> responsibly and with respect." Karen Barnes, chairperson of the
    >> Kilburn-based Women's Housing Association, was concerned for the
    >> safety and security of women and children trying to flee abusive
    >> situations. "We will be pursuing a formal inquiry to try and get this
    >> website closed down," Ms Barnes said.
    >>
    >> Telecommunications industry sources last night said initial inquiries
    >> indicated an overseas computer hacker had gained access to the
    >> Integrated Public Number Database, which contains the names,
    >> addresses, phone numbers and phone location of all residential and
    >> business customers in the country. The database is managed by Telstra
    >> on behalf of the telecommunications industry. The INPD is used by
    >> telcos to develop their own directories and is also available to
    >> authorised members of the Australian police and emergency services.
    >> ACMA last night confirmed it had started investigating the source of
    >> the information on the website. Privacy Commissioner Karen Curtis was
    >> last night preparing to launch a formal investigation. The domain
    >> http://www.boonghunter.com is being redirected to
    >> http://www.indigenoushunter.com/. I understand the term "boong" (which
    >> I must confess I've never heard before) is an offensive term used to
    >> refer to aboriginal Australians.

    >
    >Welcome to lunchtime. The whole front page of this arvo's Melbourne
    >newspaper was dedicated to this story plus half of Page 4.


    I was too busy eating lunch to read the paper. What did you have?




  11. #26
    Wolfgang Wildeblood
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    Re: Indigenous Hunter reverse directory site.

    EnjoyDialup wrote:

    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Someone else just told me that a silent number belonging to them was
    >> listed as well.
    >>
    >> I don't know if it was silent at the time the data used on that site
    >> was collated, however.

    >
    > The number I check has always been silent. So it would appear that some
    > silent numbers are listed, while others are not according to wolfgang.


    The way to demonstrate that the database is only partial (by which I
    mean VERY incomplete) is simply to dump a whole street. Since there are
    very few houses without a telephone these days, you should get a result
    for almost every house.

    Try entering Walder Rd and postcode 2170. That street has at least 100
    houses, a small shopping centre and a retirement village, but returns
    only 61 results. Do you really believe there are that many
    unlisted/silent numbers?




  12. #27

    Re: Indigenous Hunter reverse directory site.

    On Thu, 25 May 2006 19:55:52 +1000, "ant" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Michael wrote:
    >> "Wolfgang Wildeblood" <[email protected]> wrote in
    >> message news:[email protected]...
    >>> [email protected] wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> <http://www.privacylawyer.ca/blog/atom.xml>
    >>>
    >>>> The website - www.boonghunter.com - also has
    >>>> disturbed Telstra, which yesterday described it as "a gross invasion
    >>>> of privacy".
    >>>
    >>> Odd they didn't consider it a "gross invasion of privacy" when they
    >>> sold that database to all the direct marketing firms? Perhaps they
    >>> mean an invasion of their private revenue stream?

    >>
    >> Agreed

    >
    >Too right. I get Spam calls every day, and they all use the apellation on my
    >Telstra bills, and it's used no where else! Although often they announce
    >that they ARE from Telstra.


    An which appellation would that be? Mr anthony? Ms antoinette? Miss
    antonia?





  13. #28
    Mike
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    Re: Indigenous Hunter reverse directory site.

    [email protected] wrote:
    > Women in particular are afraid that it'll make a good
    > tool for stalkers. The Advertiser: Women fear website puts them in


    Won't somebody think of the children!
    I'm sure this could be used as a tool by paedophiles!
    And we know they are trading data with the evil terrorists.



  14. #29
    Mike
    Guest

    Re: Indigenous Hunter reverse directory site.

    Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:
    >
    > The way to demonstrate that the database is only partial (by which I
    > mean VERY incomplete) is simply to dump a whole street.


    Its not as simple as that. The database is badly indexed.
    For example, for one person I tried, I got nothing for his street
    or phone number. But giving his name, I got the listing. Still
    can't get his neighbors.
    So a partial listing of a street doesn't mean there is no data.



  15. #30
    EnjoyDialup
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    Re: Indigenous Hunter reverse directory site.

    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On 25 May 2006 15:37:28 +0200, "EnjoyDialup" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >><[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]...
    >>> On 25 May 2006 12:31:15 +0200, "EnjoyDialup" <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>><[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>news:[email protected]...
    >>>>> On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:44:02 +1000, Scornful <[email protected]>
    >>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:02:14 +0930, horacewachope wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> <http://www.privacylawyer.ca/blog/atom.xml>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> The Privacy Commissioner of Australia is poised to investigate a
    >>>>>>> controvertial "reverse directory" in that country.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>It will be interesting to read the results of the investigation, and
    >>>>>>to
    >>>>>>see how much it costs in taxpayer dollars.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>These politically correct clowns are impervious to rational thought.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I'm more concerned about the "telecommunications industry sources" who
    >>>>> think that an "overseas computer hacker" has gained access to the
    >>>>> IPND to create the site.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> That's just mind numbingly STUPID.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Anyone with even a modicum of knowledge about these sorts of things
    >>>>> (let alone a someone classed as a "telecommunications industry
    >>>>> source") , would know that it's far, far, far more likely that
    >>>>> someone's just stripped the data from a CD-ROM phone directory.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> The outdatedness of parts of it (together with the lack of any silent
    >>>>> numbers appearing in it) is a bit of a give-away.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>I found at least one number that I know to be silent in this database.
    >>>>Cant
    >>>>post it here for obvious reasons
    >>>
    >>> Someone else just told me that a silent number belonging to them was
    >>> listed as well.
    >>>
    >>> I don't know if it was silent at the time the data used on that site
    >>> was collated, however.

    >>
    >>The number I check has always been silent. So it would appear that some
    >>silent numbers are listed, while others are not according to wolfgang.

    >
    > It'd be far more likely that Telstra has made a mistake, and the
    > number isn't actually "listed" as a silent number.


    Nope the number was always correctly listed as silent. I have check it
    using the online whitepages on a number of occasions.


    > Incidentally, no silent number that I've checked (out of about a
    > dozen) has appeared.


    Lucky you.


    >>The owner of the site has gone to some trouble to mask their identity and
    >>location. I would not be surprised if it was an Australian, despite the
    >>blurb to the contra on the site.

    >
    > What trouble did he or she go to? Not putting "name and location" up
    > on the site (when "name and location" has no relevance to the
    > "service" the site is offering)? Wow. That's some trouble.


    You need to do a lot more than just read the webpage to find what measures
    he has taken to hide his identity.


    > Furthermore, it appears that the owner was quite happy to call the
    > solicitor from the ALS, which is not something that someone trying to
    > "mask their identity" would be.


    So what? I can call anyone on a public phone without having to worry about
    them tracing me.


    > The media/Telstra/government reaction to this site has been
    > over-the-top.
    >
    > Precisely the same information (subject to the silent number
    > controversy) has been available on CD for years.


    The information that was available on cd though DTMS was pulled from the
    market after telstra took them to court.



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