Daughter wants a Motorola V3 - is this phone good or bad?

"Emjaye T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Justin Case wrote:
>
>> Personal experience and an observation of others who have owned or used
>> them.........they don't make good GSM phones, simple!
>
> Well, Motorola must be doing something right. It's been in the mobile
> phone business longer than most and still enjoys healthy sales.
>
> Really, when you make claims like that, if you expect people to listen
> to you, you need to be a bit more substantive than just merely
> expressing your personal opinion.

What do you expect? Some kind of spreadsheet full of some kind of data?

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Emjaye T <[email protected]> wrote
> Justin Case wrote

>> Personal experience and an observation of others who have owned
>> or used them.........they don't make good GSM phones, simple!

> Well, Motorola must be doing something right.

Yes, its worked out that plenty buy phones without doing any real
research on how good a product the phone they are buying is.

> It's been in the mobile phone business longer
> than most and still enjoys healthy sales.

All that proves is that there are plenty of stupid suckers.

> Really, when you make claims like that, if you expect people
> to listen to you, you need to be a bit more substantive than
> just merely expressing your personal opinion.

Not when plenty of others say the same thing.

>> Personal experience and an observation of others who have owned or used
>> them.........they don't make good GSM phones, simple!
>
> Well, Motorola must be doing something right. It's been in the mobile
> phone business longer than most and still enjoys healthy sales.

The only reason Motorola survived was because they were the best with AMPS.
They rode their name very well indeed. With GSM, they brought out some very
"spiffy" looking phones. The only decent phone they brought out in that era
was the "L" series.

> Really, when you make claims like that, if you expect people to listen
> to you, you need to be a bit more substantive than just merely
> expressing your personal opinion.

Nothing to do with anyones personal opinion. When hardly anyone has a good
thing to say, except "but it looks good" you have to stand up and pay
attention. Why did the largest mobile phone wholesaler give Motorola the
flick? Do a Google on Motorola support companies, they are few and far
between.

"Emjaye T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Justin Case wrote:
>
>> Personal experience and an observation of others who have owned or used
>> them.........they don't make good GSM phones, simple!


> Well, Motorola must be doing something right. It's been in the mobile
> phone business longer than most and still enjoys healthy sales.
>
> Really, when you make claims like that, if you expect people to listen
> to you, you need to be a bit more substantive than just merely
> expressing your personal opinion.



Just because the sales are there doesn't necessarily make it a good product,
marketing plays a key roll here, and in my opinion and that of many others,
they are still crap. Perhaps you should do your own research on the facts
before shooting your mouth off, unless of course you are on Motorola's
payroll?

"Emjaye T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Justin Case wrote:
>
> > Keep away from Motorola, some here may disagree, but there would be
> > many that wouldn't.
>
> And this is based on, what?

Using, and selling, their crap phones.
Seeing the number of returns on them compared to comparable models in the
market.

I'll never forget the "Poron pads" that needed to be installed on Motorola
Jazz handsets
>
>

> And then there's the V3 that Virgin demonstrated to me. They turned it on
> and it took a good 25 to 30 seconds to boot up. Unless the lack of a SIM
in
> that particular phone has something to do with that, it's rather pathetic
> for a 21st century communications device...!

Not particularly relevant, these phones have a much bigger memory and take
longer to boot
>
>

"Emjaye T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Justin Case wrote:
>
> > Personal experience and an observation of others who have owned or used
> > them.........they don't make good GSM phones, simple!
>
> Well, Motorola must be doing something right. It's been in the mobile
> phone business longer than most and still enjoys healthy sales.

See the other post "yeah its a cool looking, but **** phone"

> Really, when you make claims like that, if you expect people to listen
> to you, you need to be a bit more substantive than just merely
> expressing your personal opinion.

They are personal opinions of those that have years of experience in the
telco industry.
Since 97 onwards (at least), theyve made **** GSM phones
>

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Emjaye T <[email protected]> wrote
> > Justin Case wrote
>
> >> Personal experience and an observation of others who have owned
> >> or used them.........they don't make good GSM phones, simple!
>
> > Well, Motorola must be doing something right.
>
> Yes, its worked out that plenty buy phones without doing any real
> research on how good a product the phone they are buying is.

Indeed, its hard to make such a judgement.

A new model comes out, what do you do? Wait 6 mths, and then ring the
nearest repair centre and ask how many are being sent back?

Nope, most people look at a phone and buy it.
They arent concerned about build quality

> > It's been in the mobile phone business longer
> > than most and still enjoys healthy sales.
>
> All that proves is that there are plenty of stupid suckers.

yup

Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
>> And then there's the V3 that Virgin demonstrated to me. They turned
>> it on and it took a good 25 to 30 seconds to boot up. Unless the
>> lack of a SIM in that particular phone has something to do with
>> that, it's rather pathetic for a 21st century communications
>> device...!

> Not particularly relevant,

Wrong, as always.

> these phones have a much bigger memory and take longer to boot

Pathetic, really.

Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Emjaye T <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Justin Case wrote
>>
>>>> Personal experience and an observation of others who have owned
>>>> or used them.........they don't make good GSM phones, simple!
>>
>>> Well, Motorola must be doing something right.
>>
>> Yes, its worked out that plenty buy phones without doing any real
>> research on how good a product the phone they are buying is.
>
> Indeed, its hard to make such a judgement.
>
> A new model comes out, what do you do? Wait 6 mths, and then ring the
> nearest repair centre and ask how many are being sent back?
>
> Nope, most people look at a phone and buy it.
> They arent concerned about build quality

It aint just about build quality, cretin.

>>> It's been in the mobile phone business longer
>>> than most and still enjoys healthy sales.
>>
>> All that proves is that there are plenty of stupid suckers.
>
> yup

Stop yupping, child.

> >>> It's been in the mobile phone business longer
> >>> than most and still enjoys healthy sales.
> >>
> >> All that proves is that there are plenty of stupid suckers.
> >
> > yup
>
> Stop yupping, child.

Nup
>
>

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:54:45 GMT, Michael wrote:

>> And then there's the V3 that Virgin demonstrated to me. They turned it on
>> and it took a good 25 to 30 seconds to boot up. Unless the lack of a SIM in
>> that particular phone has something to do with that, it's rather pathetic
>> for a 21st century communications device...!
>
> Not particularly relevant, these phones have a much bigger memory and take
> longer to boot

If you apply that sort of logic, my PC - with its 2GB of RAM - should take
a few hours to boot.

The amount of memory in a phone is irrelevant. The V3's boot time - at
least, the one I saw booting - is ludicrously slow, making a Commodore 64
look like a Cray by comparison.

"Anthony Horan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:54:45 GMT, Michael wrote:
>
> >> And then there's the V3 that Virgin demonstrated to me. They turned it
on
> >> and it took a good 25 to 30 seconds to boot up. Unless the lack of a
SIM in
> >> that particular phone has something to do with that, it's rather
pathetic
> >> for a 21st century communications device...!
> >
> > Not particularly relevant, these phones have a much bigger memory and
take
> > longer to boot
>
> If you apply that sort of logic, my PC - with its 2GB of RAM - should take
> a few hours to boot.

No, thats not the answer you get when applying my comments

Noturyulo\ said....

>> Really, when you make claims like that, if you expect people to listen
>> to you, you need to be a bit more substantive than just merely
>> expressing your personal opinion.
>
> What do you expect? Some kind of spreadsheet full of some kind of data?

It would be a start, yes. People make all sorts of claims about all
sorts of things on the internet and in Usenet in particular. When
someone's trying to do decent research, and in this case, the fellow
wants to know how good the Motorola phones are, he's being forced to
take at face value, some anonymous poster's opinion about what he thinks
of the brand.

Then you get the types who argue the other guy's opinion, and then it
goes on and on, tit for tat.

It can be ****ing frustrating at times. At least the web based forums do
offer some moderation in this respect. Not sure if the info is any
better, though, but it has to be better than what we often see in here.

Justin said....

> Just because the sales are there doesn't necessarily make it a good
> product, marketing plays a key roll here, and in my opinion and that of
> many others, they are still crap. Perhaps you should do your own
> research on the facts before shooting your mouth off, unless of course
> you are on Motorola's payroll?

What's the matter? Taking umbrage at being asked to substantiate your
claims, perhaps? Whatever, it's up to you whether or not you wish to.
Just don't get upset if people ignore you.

Hey, let's take the Motorola V3x that Telstra's pushing on a $20 plan,
nothing up front. In your view, why do you think that it's rubbish? What
makes it a poor quality product? What can a potential buyer look at to
see whether or not it is worth considering?

And no, I don't work for any mobile phone company.

I personally own a Nokia 2280 CDMA phone which is two years old and
which is approaching the end of its servicable life. So, I too will be
in the market for a new phone in the next 12 months or so as they phase
out CDMA and phase in this new 3G service.

Throwaway lines like "Motonoklgsageicsson phones are rubbish. All my
moites and me reckon this so don't buy 'em" do nothing to help those out
there looking for a phone to make a good consumer decision.

If you think that a phone is a piece crap, tell us why. Or perhaps point
us to somewhere that has reviews of the products. That's all.