Why can't you buy an outright phone outright and unlocked?

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:43:30 +1000, "Jeremy Quirke"
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>"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:44:00 +1000, Simon Templar <[email protected]>
>> typed furiously:
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>>>I Am Annoying wrote:
>>>> Why is it that you can't buy a mobile phone outright and unlocked?
>>>>
>>>> Sure a lot of the retailers now have phones with listed "outright
>>>> prices"
>>>> to boy outright but they are still either locked to a network or they
>>>> won't sell them unlocked?
>>>>
>>>> I was about to buy a particular LG flip phone which had memory cards
>>>> and MP3 and such and it had a listed "outright price" of $249 but when
>>>> asking the sales dude at 3 if they were locked to 3 he had to look in a
>>>> book and then says "uummm yep they're locked and we can't unlock
>>>> them"..
>>>>
>>>> So in short does anyone offer phones to buy completely outright and
>>>> unlocked to go with ANY CARRIER. As free choice should be available
>>>> to customers..
>>>
>>>This is something that pisses me off big time too! If they want to sell
>>>a phone "outright" then it should mean without conditions or obligation.
>>>
>>>Fair enough if you purchased it a "subsidised" price and obligated to
>>>remain on a particular network for a contract period.
>>>
>>>I don't believe they should hold you to ransom by locking you into their
>>>network, it would make far more sense to "encourage" you to want to stay
>>>with competitive prices and superior services and therefore NO NEED to
>>>lock phones and far too long contracts.
>>>
>>>I would like to see contracts that allow you to upgrade your handset
>>>every 12 months instead of 24 months. Then you can upgrade your handset
>>>as soon as it goes out of warranty, but "outright" should mean NOT being
>>>locked into a contract FULL STOP.
>>
>> The answer to that is easy. Don't buy it and make sure that the
>> *management* of the store knows why you are not buying it. The same
>> goes for DRM and Region Locked video equipment. If no one buys it then
>> they will be stuck with it.
>
>Nice idea, except it just doesn't work.
>
Only because idiots continue to buy the junk.
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:10:59 GMT, "Michael" <[email protected]> typed
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>"I Am Annoying" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Why is it that you can't buy a mobile phone outright and unlocked?
>
>You can. From every single carrier and store, just about
>
>> Sure a lot of the retailers now have phones with listed "outright prices"
>> to boy outright but they are still either locked to a network or they
>> won't sell them unlocked?
>
>No retailer that sells "outright phones" have them network locked (possibly
>3 is the exception)
>
>By common definition in Aus, "outright phones" are unlocked. Only prepaid
>phones are locked (and not always the case nowadays either(
>
>> I was about to buy a particular LG flip phone which had memory cards
>> and MP3 and such and it had a listed "outright price" of $249 but when
>> asking the sales dude at 3 if they were locked to 3 he had to look in a
>> book and then says "uummm yep they're locked and we can't unlock
>> them"..
>
>There you go, they are the only exception
>
>> So in short does anyone offer phones to buy completely outright and
>> unlocked to go with ANY CARRIER. As free choice should be available
>> to customers..
>
>Every one but 3
>
Then don't buy from 3. See. It's simple.
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:44:00 +1000, Simon Templar wrote:

> I would like to see contracts that allow you to upgrade your handset
> every 12 months instead of 24 months.

As would I. 12 month contracts used to be the norm, but now they're
virtually non-existent. Two years is way too long a contract commitment for
something as transitory as a mobile phone.

Anthony Horan wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:44:00 +1000, Simon Templar wrote:
>
>> I would like to see contracts that allow you to upgrade your handset
>> every 12 months instead of 24 months.
>
> As would I. 12 month contracts used to be the norm, but now they're
> virtually non-existent. Two years is way too long a contract commitment for
> something as transitory as a mobile phone.
Pay cash for the phone and have no contract at all with most anyone but
helstra.

Anthony Horan <[email protected]> wrote
> Simon Templar wrote

>> I would like to see contracts that allow you to upgrade
>> your handset every 12 months instead of 24 months.

> As would I. 12 month contracts used to be the norm, but now
> they're virtually non-existent. Two years is way too long a contract
> commitment for something as transitory as a mobile phone.

No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to have a contract.

And only a fool keeps changing their mobile phone every year.

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 02:15:00 +1000, atec77 <" atec77**"@hotmail.com>
typed furiously:

>Anthony Horan wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:44:00 +1000, Simon Templar wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to see contracts that allow you to upgrade your handset
>>> every 12 months instead of 24 months.
>>
>> As would I. 12 month contracts used to be the norm, but now they're
>> virtually non-existent. Two years is way too long a contract commitment for
>> something as transitory as a mobile phone.
>Pay cash for the phone and have no contract at all with most anyone but
>helstra.

An even better idea. Don't pay cash or anything. Don't get a phone.
That way you get a little peace in your life.
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 05:03:13 +1000, "Rod Speed"
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>Anthony Horan <[email protected]> wrote
>> Simon Templar wrote
>
>>> I would like to see contracts that allow you to upgrade
>>> your handset every 12 months instead of 24 months.
>
>> As would I. 12 month contracts used to be the norm, but now
>> they're virtually non-existent. Two years is way too long a contract
>> commitment for something as transitory as a mobile phone.
>
>No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to have a contract.
>
>And only a fool keeps changing their mobile phone every year.
>
I couldn't agree more. I've never had a mobile phone and I'm not going
to buy one.
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> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 05:03:13 +1000, "Rod Speed"
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>>Anthony Horan <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Simon Templar wrote
>>
>>>> I would like to see contracts that allow you to upgrade
>>>> your handset every 12 months instead of 24 months.
>>
>>> As would I. 12 month contracts used to be the norm, but now
>>> they're virtually non-existent. Two years is way too long a contract
>>> commitment for something as transitory as a mobile phone.
>>
>>No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to have a contract.
>>
>>And only a fool keeps changing their mobile phone every year.
>>
> I couldn't agree more. I've never had a mobile phone and I'm not going
> to buy one.
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So WTF are you doing here ?

Michael wrote:

> > I don't believe they should hold you to ransom by locking you into their
> > network, it would make far more sense to "encourage" you to want to stay
> > with competitive prices and superior services and therefore NO NEED to
> > lock phones and far too long contracts.
>
> Thats just ridiculous.
>
> I'd go out and buy 100 phones for $1 if that was the case, sell them all on
> ebay for $100 each
>
> >
> > I would like to see contracts that allow you to upgrade your handset
> > every 12 months instead of 24 months. Then you can upgrade your handset
>
> Would you be prepared to pay $200 upfront insted of $0?



Yes

David <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 05:03:13 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <[email protected]> typed furiously:
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>> Anthony Horan <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Simon Templar wrote
>>
>>>> I would like to see contracts that allow you to upgrade
>>>> your handset every 12 months instead of 24 months.
>>
>>> As would I. 12 month contracts used to be the norm, but now
>>> they're virtually non-existent. Two years is way too long a contract
>>> commitment for something as transitory as a mobile phone.
>>
>> No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to have a
>> contract.
>>
>> And only a fool keeps changing their mobile phone every year.

> I couldn't agree more. I've never had a mobile phone and I'm not going
> to buy one.

More fool you. They cost peanuts if you have a clue.

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:10:14 +1000, "J5" <[email protected]> typed
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>"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 05:03:13 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <[email protected]> typed furiously:
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>>>Anthony Horan <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> Simon Templar wrote
>>>
>>>>> I would like to see contracts that allow you to upgrade
>>>>> your handset every 12 months instead of 24 months.
>>>
>>>> As would I. 12 month contracts used to be the norm, but now
>>>> they're virtually non-existent. Two years is way too long a contract
>>>> commitment for something as transitory as a mobile phone.
>>>
>>>No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to have a contract.
>>>
>>>And only a fool keeps changing their mobile phone every year.
>>>
>> I couldn't agree more. I've never had a mobile phone and I'm not going
>> to buy one.
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>So WTF are you doing here ?
>
I'm in aus.general. Where did you think I was?
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:00:40 +1000, "Rod Speed"
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>David <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 05:03:13 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <[email protected]> typed furiously:
>>
>>> Anthony Horan <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> Simon Templar wrote
>>>
>>>>> I would like to see contracts that allow you to upgrade
>>>>> your handset every 12 months instead of 24 months.
>>>
>>>> As would I. 12 month contracts used to be the norm, but now
>>>> they're virtually non-existent. Two years is way too long a contract
>>>> commitment for something as transitory as a mobile phone.
>>>
>>> No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to have a
>>> contract.
>>>
>>> And only a fool keeps changing their mobile phone every year.
>
>> I couldn't agree more. I've never had a mobile phone and I'm not going
>> to buy one.
>
>More fool you. They cost peanuts if you have a clue.
>
I don't want to be contactable at all times. If I'm out why would I
want to be pestered with phone call after phone call?
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Good side note for people like David.

How do you cope with no mobile phone? I mean like getting messages
from people or keeping in touch on appointments, or meetings with
people?






John

"I Am Annoying, Very Annoying" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> Good side note for people like David.
>
> How do you cope with no mobile phone? I mean like getting messages
> from people or keeping in touch on appointments, or meetings with
> people?
>
Same way we did until a couple of years ago I guess. When you think about
your use, unless you are the sort who has a lot of meetings etc it's other
people who usually want to call you. I feel lost if I forget mine but really
I'm not going to answer it while I'm driving nor while I'm in the office I'm
going to attend, nor at the pictures etc.. only spend about $20/month and
most of those calls I could have avoided.

I Am Annoying, Very Annoying wrote:
> Michael wrote:
>
>>> I don't believe they should hold you to ransom by locking you into their
>>> network, it would make far more sense to "encourage" you to want to stay
>>> with competitive prices and superior services and therefore NO NEED to
>>> lock phones and far too long contracts.
>> Thats just ridiculous.
>>
>> I'd go out and buy 100 phones for $1 if that was the case, sell them all on
>> ebay for $100 each
>>
>>> I would like to see contracts that allow you to upgrade your handset
>>> every 12 months instead of 24 months. Then you can upgrade your handset
>> Would you be prepared to pay $200 upfront insted of $0?
>
> Yes

I would also.


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