The NEW 3G for "the bush" - Any news on its rollout?

Emjaye wrote:
> Michael wrote:
>
> > Nope. Let me ***** it out to you.
>
> Don't bother. You're just wasting peoples' time with your bull****.
>
> > The important fact is that CDMA is closing, not that 3G 850 is opening.
> >
> > If CDMA wasnt closing 3G 850 wouldnt exist.
>
> You make a point of explaining the ****ing obvious. Perhaps this is an
> attempt to divert attention from your bull****.
>
> I'd do a Rod Speed and reiterate IN CAPITALS what this whole thread is
> about, but it'd be pointless. You'd respond with your 2G mantra, again.
>
> Read the thread subject title, what I asked and have another think about
> your reply.
>
> Or, don't bother.
>
> Basically we (CDMA customers) don't give a **** about 2G, GSM or
> existing 3G services. We're only interested in what CDMA customers are
> expecting from new services, when it's due to be comissioned and what
> handsets we can expect to use.
>
> It's clear that you don't know, so stop with the bull****.
>
> Anyway, we spoke to a mate who runs a local Telstra shop (he has a
> couple of them). He was telling me that he expects the 850 Mhz 3G
> service to commence ops around our area, "possibly" in November. Telstra
> is currently testing a couple of different handsets, but doesn't have
> any details, but expects that all manufacturers will be producing them
> at some stage. And that they're uniquely "Australian" - that they won't
> be existing models used overseas, sort of like our bull**** digital TV
> service, and he wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't see any handsets for
> up to 2 years.
>
> I s'pose it's good business practice to keep the dealers in the dark. It
> also keeps the customers in the dark, that as their existing CDMA phones
> die, or when new customers come along, they'll be faced with an unknown,
> and hence will be persuaded to get on the CDMA network, thus generating
> more phone sales for the next year or two. It wouldn't do to allow the
> customer to be informed, thus able to make an informed decision as to
> what to do with his ailing CDMA phone.

All I can say is that your mate is wrong. The launch date is highly
confidential. The handset range is also a tightly kept secret. The
reason the dealers have not been told the dates is because they cant
kep their mouths shut.

You can rest assured that when the launch happens then you will have
all the information you can handle and more about the 850 network.
Until then - its commercial-in-confidence.

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"The handset range is also a tightly kept secret" - why for goodness sake?.
Maybe b/c the answer is 0.


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>
> Emjaye wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>
>> > Nope. Let me ***** it out to you.
>>
>> Don't bother. You're just wasting peoples' time with your bull****.
>>
>> > The important fact is that CDMA is closing, not that 3G 850 is opening.
>> >
>> > If CDMA wasnt closing 3G 850 wouldnt exist.
>>
>> You make a point of explaining the ****ing obvious. Perhaps this is an
>> attempt to divert attention from your bull****.
>>
>> I'd do a Rod Speed and reiterate IN CAPITALS what this whole thread is
>> about, but it'd be pointless. You'd respond with your 2G mantra, again.
>>
>> Read the thread subject title, what I asked and have another think about
>> your reply.
>>
>> Or, don't bother.
>>
>> Basically we (CDMA customers) don't give a **** about 2G, GSM or
>> existing 3G services. We're only interested in what CDMA customers are
>> expecting from new services, when it's due to be comissioned and what
>> handsets we can expect to use.
>>
>> It's clear that you don't know, so stop with the bull****.
>>
>> Anyway, we spoke to a mate who runs a local Telstra shop (he has a
>> couple of them). He was telling me that he expects the 850 Mhz 3G
>> service to commence ops around our area, "possibly" in November. Telstra
>> is currently testing a couple of different handsets, but doesn't have
>> any details, but expects that all manufacturers will be producing them
>> at some stage. And that they're uniquely "Australian" - that they won't
>> be existing models used overseas, sort of like our bull**** digital TV
>> service, and he wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't see any handsets for
>> up to 2 years.
>>
>> I s'pose it's good business practice to keep the dealers in the dark. It
>> also keeps the customers in the dark, that as their existing CDMA phones
>> die, or when new customers come along, they'll be faced with an unknown,
>> and hence will be persuaded to get on the CDMA network, thus generating
>> more phone sales for the next year or two. It wouldn't do to allow the
>> customer to be informed, thus able to make an informed decision as to
>> what to do with his ailing CDMA phone.
>
> All I can say is that your mate is wrong. The launch date is highly
> confidential. The handset range is also a tightly kept secret. The
> reason the dealers have not been told the dates is because they cant
> kep their mouths shut.
>
> You can rest assured that when the launch happens then you will have
> all the information you can handle and more about the 850 network.
> Until then - its commercial-in-confidence.
>

"Paul Day" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:22:03 GMT Michael may have written:
>> > And that's to the existing 3G service, not the new one, which is what
>> > we're trying to discuss here.
>>
>> Nope. Let me ***** it out to you.
>>
>> Therefore, we are referring to the CDMA migration offers.
>
> Not according to the topic of the thread and his previous question.
>
> Short of the long, you know nothing about the realse date of the 3G
> 850MHz network or the handsets that will be offerred and there is no

The release date and handsets are known.

> currently official product info or offers available for CDMA users to
> migrate to the _850MHz_ UMTS network.

That is correct.

"Paul Day" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:36:09 GMT Michael may have written:
>> The launch date is already known, and its not too far off
>
> The "known date" being July according to your "next month" post back in
> June?

No, that was referring to CDMA migration offers

"Emjaye" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Michael wrote:
>
>> Nope. Let me ***** it out to you.
>
> Don't bother. You're just wasting peoples' time with your bull****.
>
>> The important fact is that CDMA is closing, not that 3G 850 is opening.
>>
>> If CDMA wasnt closing 3G 850 wouldnt exist.
>
> You make a point of explaining the ****ing obvious. Perhaps this is an
> attempt to divert attention from your bull****.

I have to explain the obvious to ****wits like you, becuase you think that
CDMA is closing BECAUSE we have 3G 850, not the other way around

> Read the thread subject title, what I asked and have another think about
> your reply.

Since when has a subject title been relevant?

> Or, don't bother.
>
> Basically we (CDMA customers) don't give a **** about 2G, GSM or
> existing 3G services. We're only interested in what CDMA customers are

You dont speak for all CDMA customers, thanks very much. Ive just migrated
my four CDMA prepaids to GSm prepaids, thanks very much

> Anyway, we spoke to a mate who runs a local Telstra shop (he has a
> couple of them). He was telling me that he expects the 850 Mhz 3G
> service to commence ops around our area, "possibly" in November. Telstra

Your guy clearly has no idea

> is currently testing a couple of different handsets, but doesn't have

They arent testing them, thats long finished

> any details, but expects that all manufacturers will be producing them
> at some stage. And that they're uniquely "Australian" - that they won't
> be existing models used overseas, sort of like our bull**** digital TV

They are already used overseas.
Examples of 3G 850 handsets already used overseas have already been named in
other posts

> service, and he wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't see any handsets for
> up to 2 years.

Your mate is, well, a tosser

> I s'pose it's good business practice to keep the dealers in the dark. It
> also keeps the customers in the dark, that as their existing CDMA phones
> die, or when new customers come along, they'll be faced with an unknown,
> and hence will be persuaded to get on the CDMA network, thus generating

When everythings locked down, customers can know. The date is already locked
down

Do you think Optus, Telstra, or Vodafone "announce" when they are going to
commence selling a new Nokia handset?
No, they don't. They just bring it to the stores when its available and they
sell it.
ASAP.

>> I s'pose it's good business practice to keep the dealers in the dark. It
>> also keeps the customers in the dark, that as their existing CDMA phones
>> die, or when new customers come along, they'll be faced with an unknown,
>> and hence will be persuaded to get on the CDMA network, thus generating
>> more phone sales for the next year or two. It wouldn't do to allow the
>> customer to be informed, thus able to make an informed decision as to
>> what to do with his ailing CDMA phone.
>
> All I can say is that your mate is wrong. The launch date is highly
> confidential. The handset range is also a tightly kept secret. The
> reason the dealers have not been told the dates is because they cant
> kep their mouths shut.

Correct. Most dealers dont work for Telstra (ie Telstra Corp Ltd), thus they
shouldnt know

> You can rest assured that when the launch happens then you will have
> all the information you can handle and more about the 850 network.
> Until then - its commercial-in-confidence.

And confidentiality agreements all around

Michael wrote:

>> You make a point of explaining the ****ing obvious. Perhaps this is an
>> attempt to divert attention from your bull****.
>
> I have to explain the obvious to ****wits like you, becuase you think
> that CDMA is closing BECAUSE we have 3G 850, not the other way around

What a tosser. I (and others) aren't talking about the whys of this.
We're merely asking when Telstra will be announcing the opening of the
new 3G network, and when we'll start to see phones becoming available
for it.

You really need to see a neurologist or something. It seems that you've
been zapped by your own phones.

>> Read the thread subject title, what I asked and have another think
>> about your reply.
>
> Since when has a subject title been relevant?

Because, cockhead, that's what we're talking about here.

> Your mate is, well, a tosser

If so, you and him are in good company, then.

You have no idea at all. But then it's pretty well your life story.

WHy - because it is comemrcialy sensitive and thats what the bosses
want.

\

Intel Inside wrote:
> "The handset range is also a tightly kept secret" - why for goodness sake?.
> Maybe b/c the answer is 0.
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Emjaye wrote:
> >> Michael wrote:
> >>
> >> > Nope. Let me ***** it out to you.
> >>
> >> Don't bother. You're just wasting peoples' time with your bull****.
> >>
> >> > The important fact is that CDMA is closing, not that 3G 850 is opening.
> >> >
> >> > If CDMA wasnt closing 3G 850 wouldnt exist.
> >>
> >> You make a point of explaining the ****ing obvious. Perhaps this is an
> >> attempt to divert attention from your bull****.
> >>
> >> I'd do a Rod Speed and reiterate IN CAPITALS what this whole thread is
> >> about, but it'd be pointless. You'd respond with your 2G mantra, again.
> >>
> >> Read the thread subject title, what I asked and have another think about
> >> your reply.
> >>
> >> Or, don't bother.
> >>
> >> Basically we (CDMA customers) don't give a **** about 2G, GSM or
> >> existing 3G services. We're only interested in what CDMA customers are
> >> expecting from new services, when it's due to be comissioned and what
> >> handsets we can expect to use.
> >>
> >> It's clear that you don't know, so stop with the bull****.
> >>
> >> Anyway, we spoke to a mate who runs a local Telstra shop (he has a
> >> couple of them). He was telling me that he expects the 850 Mhz 3G
> >> service to commence ops around our area, "possibly" in November. Telstra
> >> is currently testing a couple of different handsets, but doesn't have
> >> any details, but expects that all manufacturers will be producing them
> >> at some stage. And that they're uniquely "Australian" - that they won't
> >> be existing models used overseas, sort of like our bull**** digital TV
> >> service, and he wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't see any handsets for
> >> up to 2 years.
> >>
> >> I s'pose it's good business practice to keep the dealers in the dark. It
> >> also keeps the customers in the dark, that as their existing CDMA phones
> >> die, or when new customers come along, they'll be faced with an unknown,
> >> and hence will be persuaded to get on the CDMA network, thus generating
> >> more phone sales for the next year or two. It wouldn't do to allow the
> >> customer to be informed, thus able to make an informed decision as to
> >> what to do with his ailing CDMA phone.
> >
> > All I can say is that your mate is wrong. The launch date is highly
> > confidential. The handset range is also a tightly kept secret. The
> > reason the dealers have not been told the dates is because they cant
> > kep their mouths shut.
> >
> > You can rest assured that when the launch happens then you will have
> > all the information you can handle and more about the 850 network.
> > Until then - its commercial-in-confidence.
> >

You don't even understand basic grammar.


"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Emjaye" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Michael wrote:
>>
>>> Nope. Let me ***** it out to you.
>>
>> Don't bother. You're just wasting peoples' time with your bull****.
>>
>>> The important fact is that CDMA is closing, not that 3G 850 is opening.
>>>
>>> If CDMA wasnt closing 3G 850 wouldnt exist.
>>
>> You make a point of explaining the ****ing obvious. Perhaps this is an
>> attempt to divert attention from your bull****.
>
> I have to explain the obvious to ****wits like you, becuase you think that
> CDMA is closing BECAUSE we have 3G 850, not the other way around
>
>> Read the thread subject title, what I asked and have another think about
>> your reply.
>
> Since when has a subject title been relevant?
>
>> Or, don't bother.
>>
>> Basically we (CDMA customers) don't give a **** about 2G, GSM or
>> existing 3G services. We're only interested in what CDMA customers are
>
> You dont speak for all CDMA customers, thanks very much. Ive just migrated
> my four CDMA prepaids to GSm prepaids, thanks very much
>
>> Anyway, we spoke to a mate who runs a local Telstra shop (he has a
>> couple of them). He was telling me that he expects the 850 Mhz 3G
>> service to commence ops around our area, "possibly" in November. Telstra
>
> Your guy clearly has no idea
>
>> is currently testing a couple of different handsets, but doesn't have
>
> They arent testing them, thats long finished
>
>> any details, but expects that all manufacturers will be producing them
>> at some stage. And that they're uniquely "Australian" - that they won't
>> be existing models used overseas, sort of like our bull**** digital TV
>
> They are already used overseas.
> Examples of 3G 850 handsets already used overseas have already been named
> in other posts
>
>> service, and he wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't see any handsets for
>> up to 2 years.
>
> Your mate is, well, a tosser
>
>> I s'pose it's good business practice to keep the dealers in the dark. It
>> also keeps the customers in the dark, that as their existing CDMA phones
>> die, or when new customers come along, they'll be faced with an unknown,
>> and hence will be persuaded to get on the CDMA network, thus generating
>
> When everythings locked down, customers can know. The date is already
> locked down
>
> Do you think Optus, Telstra, or Vodafone "announce" when they are going to
> commence selling a new Nokia handset?
> No, they don't. They just bring it to the stores when its available and
> they sell it.
> ASAP.
>
>
>

Michael wrote:
> "Emjaye" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>> Basically we (CDMA customers) don't give a **** about 2G, GSM or
>> existing 3G services. We're only interested in what CDMA customers are
>
> You dont speak for all CDMA customers, thanks very much. Ive just migrated
> my four CDMA prepaids to GSm prepaids, thanks very much

He does speak for many, if not most CDMA customers whose only concern is
whether we'll still be able to make calls in the same places that we can
with CDMA. One of the major reasons they built the CDMA network was to
overcome the range shortcomings of GSM.

Paul said....

> Are you talking upgrades from CDMA to a new _850Mhz UMTS-capable_
> handset?

I don't think that he knows what he's talking about. He seems to have
this huge problem comprehending the fact that we're talking about the
yet to be opened 3G service that is to replace the existing CDMA
service. For some weird reason, he is fixated on the existing services,
whether they be GSM/2G or 3G (2100Mhz).

He made this bull**** claim nearly 2 months ago that we'll be hearing
news of the new service (I quoted it back to him in another note), so I
asked him what the go was. He then went off at a tangent rabbiting about
existing services. All those mobiles that he supposedly uses must have
fried his brain or something.

"Graeme Willox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Michael wrote:
>> "Emjaye" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>> Basically we (CDMA customers) don't give a **** about 2G, GSM or
>>> existing 3G services. We're only interested in what CDMA customers are
>>
>> You dont speak for all CDMA customers, thanks very much. Ive just
>> migrated my four CDMA prepaids to GSm prepaids, thanks very much
>
> He does speak for many, if not most CDMA customers whose only concern is
> whether we'll still be able to make calls in the same places that we can
> with CDMA. One of the major reasons they built the CDMA network was to
> overcome the range shortcomings of GSM.

No, they built the CDMA network to replace the AMPS network, nothing to do
with the GSM network. Both networks have always had different intended uses,
advantages and disadvantages,.

If they alledgedly "built CDMA to overcome GSM limitations", then they would
have waited for AMPS to close, they would have built CDMA much earlier.

once again, you fail in the causuality test

"Emjaye" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Paul said....
>
>> Are you talking upgrades from CDMA to a new _850Mhz UMTS-capable_
>> handset?
>
> I don't think that he knows what he's talking about. He seems to have
> this huge problem comprehending the fact that we're talking about the
> yet to be opened 3G service that is to replace the existing CDMA
> service. For some weird reason, he is fixated on the existing services,
> whether they be GSM/2G or 3G (2100Mhz).
>
> He made this bull**** claim nearly 2 months ago that we'll be hearing
> news of the new service (I quoted it back to him in another note), so I

Youve heard plenty about the new services already, and you will hear more
shortly

Michael wrote:
> "Graeme Willox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Michael wrote:
>>> "Emjaye" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> Basically we (CDMA customers) don't give a **** about 2G, GSM or
>>>> existing 3G services. We're only interested in what CDMA customers are
>>> You dont speak for all CDMA customers, thanks very much. Ive just
>>> migrated my four CDMA prepaids to GSm prepaids, thanks very much
>> He does speak for many, if not most CDMA customers whose only concern is
>> whether we'll still be able to make calls in the same places that we can
>> with CDMA. One of the major reasons they built the CDMA network was to
>> overcome the range shortcomings of GSM.
>
> No, they built the CDMA network to replace the AMPS network, nothing to do
> with the GSM network. Both networks have always had different intended uses,
> advantages and disadvantages,.

They told people they were building GSM to replace AMPS. Are you saying
that they lied? CDMA was only announced after people in country areas
started complaining about the lack of performance of GSM. If GSM had
been able to provide even close to the same coverage that AMPS did,
there would never have been a reason to build a CDMA network in
Australia in the first place.
>
> If they alledgedly "built CDMA to overcome GSM limitations", then they would
> have waited for AMPS to close, they would have built CDMA much earlier.

If they'd really had such a structured timeframe for the construction of
the CDMA network, it surely wouldn't have taken so long for "advanced
features" such as SMS and data transfer to be implemented. Perhaps the
Telstra Shop employees who sold me my first CDMA phone lied to me when
they advised me when these "advanced" features would be available, but
the implementation of them was postponed several times. It seems
obvious to me that the rollout of the CDMA network was not as planned as
it could have been. I don't think they could have rolled it out any
earlier because I don't think they'd even determined the need for it any
earlier.

Michael wrote:

>> He made this bull**** claim nearly 2 months ago that we'll be hearing
>> news of the new service (I quoted it back to him in another note), so I
>
> Youve heard plenty about the new services already, and you will hear
> more shortly

You said that 2 months ago, that by now we'd be hearing "more". Well,
two months on, and we have not heard "more". In fact, the local Telstra
dealers (we have a few around here) keep pushing the opening date out
and out. So, they either are as much out of the loop as the Telstra
customers, or that they're getting correct info, and Telstra is pushing
the date out.

Whatever, the end result is the same - those who are in the same boat as
myself who need to get new phones, are being advised to hold out for a
little longer.

My beef with you is that you made a specific statement. It hasn't
eventuated, and you go on about irrelevant migration offers.