Telstra to turn on 3G marvel next month

Kubalister wrote:
> You're more than welcome to wait. The rest of us can buy the imate
> JasJam next month for use with the new 850 band along with all the
> existing 2100 3GSM and GSM coverage.
>

They look like a real bargain at only USD999. The model advertised on
www.imatephonestore.com has 850, 900, 1800 and 1900 bands according to
their website. (I don't know how authoritative they are. I found them
using a Google search).

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"DaN" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> and now just a further 6-12month wait untill the handsets become avalible

The handsets are available on launch, dummy

Graeme Willox wrote:
> Kubalister wrote:
>> You're more than welcome to wait. The rest of us can buy the imate
>> JasJam next month for use with the new 850 band along with all the
>> existing 2100 3GSM and GSM coverage.
>>
>
> They look like a real bargain at only USD999. The model advertised on
> www.imatephonestore.com has 850, 900, 1800 and 1900 bands according to
> their website. (I don't know how authoritative they are. I found them
> using a Google search).

Those bands are the GSM/GPRS/EDGE bands that it supports. It
ADDITIONALLY supports the 850, 1900, 2100 3GSM bands. i.e. EVERY
GSM/3GSM band used globally so it's perfect for travelling.

http://www.clubimate.com/t-DETAILS_JASJAM.aspx

Kubalister wrote:
> Graeme Willox wrote:
>> Kubalister wrote:
>>> You're more than welcome to wait. The rest of us can buy the imate
>>> JasJam next month for use with the new 850 band along with all the
>>> existing 2100 3GSM and GSM coverage.
>>>
>>
>> They look like a real bargain at only USD999. The model advertised on
>> www.imatephonestore.com has 850, 900, 1800 and 1900 bands according to
>> their website. (I don't know how authoritative they are. I found
>> them using a Google search).
>
> Those bands are the GSM/GPRS/EDGE bands that it supports. It
> ADDITIONALLY supports the 850, 1900, 2100 3GSM bands. i.e. EVERY
> GSM/3GSM band used globally so it's perfect for travelling.
>
> http://www.clubimate.com/t-DETAILS_JASJAM.aspx

I think you're right. Looking through the specs they list, it would be
clearer if they didn't describe the 3G function of it as both WCDMA and
3GSM.

Graeme Willox wrote:
> Kubalister wrote:
>> Graeme Willox wrote:
>>> Kubalister wrote:
>>>> You're more than welcome to wait. The rest of us can buy the imate
>>>> JasJam next month for use with the new 850 band along with all the
>>>> existing 2100 3GSM and GSM coverage.
>>>>
>>>
>>> They look like a real bargain at only USD999. The model advertised
>>> on www.imatephonestore.com has 850, 900, 1800 and 1900 bands
>>> according to their website. (I don't know how authoritative they
>>> are. I found them using a Google search).
>>
>> Those bands are the GSM/GPRS/EDGE bands that it supports. It
>> ADDITIONALLY supports the 850, 1900, 2100 3GSM bands. i.e. EVERY
>> GSM/3GSM band used globally so it's perfect for travelling.
>>
>> http://www.clubimate.com/t-DETAILS_JASJAM.aspx
>
> I think you're right. Looking through the specs they list, it would be
> clearer if they didn't describe the 3G function of it as both WCDMA and
> 3GSM.

Labelling 3GSM as anything else is very confusing to people not aware of
the technology and standards.
Sure, it can also be called UMTS/W-CDMA, but the GSM association has
officially designated 3GSM as the correct marketing label for 3rd
generation GSM services using the UMTS/W-CDMA standard.
Merely calling it UMTS (as some handset manufacturers do) is confusing
as there are multiple variations of UMTS that have nothing to do with
the GSM standards and W-CDMA is just a label for a wider than usual CDMA
radio interface protocol.
For iMate to label the 3GSM band support as W-CDMA is as meaningless as
labelling the 2GSM band support as "TDMA".

Oh well, that's what you get when you combine clueless marketing droids
with engineers that can't write a single word in English.

Kubalister wrote:

> Labelling 3GSM as anything else is very confusing to people not aware of
> the technology and standards.

I accept everything else you say, but the term 3GSM could cause some
confusion for some people. Many people know of the distance limitation
of GSM. Calling it 3GSM will surely cause confusion about its range.
In rural areas, range would be the main reason many people would want to
connect to this new network.

I guess it's both GSM and WCDMA and neither. It would be nice if they'd
given it a better name, but I suppose that outside of Australia and
perhaps North America, there are few countries which use the existing
GSM where range is much of an issue.

Kubalister wrote:
> Graeme Willox wrote:
> > They look like a real bargain at only USD999. The model advertised on
> > www.imatephonestore.com has 850, 900, 1800 and 1900 bands according to
> > their website. (I don't know how authoritative they are. I found them
> > using a Google search).
>
> Those bands are the GSM/GPRS/EDGE bands that it supports. It
> ADDITIONALLY supports the 850, 1900, 2100 3GSM bands. i.e. EVERY
> GSM/3GSM band used globally so it's perfect for travelling.
>
> http://www.clubimate.com/t-DETAILS_JASJAM.aspx

And just to stuff them all up, the US spectrum auctions have been just
completed for frequencies that could be used for the new UMTS 1.7/2.1
band, which is incompatible with UMTS 2100. Americans always have to
do it differently.

"Graeme Willox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Kubalister wrote:
>
>> Labelling 3GSM as anything else is very confusing to people not aware of
>> the technology and standards.
>
> I accept everything else you say, but the term 3GSM could cause some
> confusion for some people. Many people know of the distance limitation of
> GSM. Calling it 3GSM will surely cause confusion about its range.

Nope

mabs wrote:
> And just to stuff them all up, the US spectrum auctions have been just
> completed for frequencies that could be used for the new UMTS 1.7/2.1
> band, which is incompatible with UMTS 2100. Americans always have to
> do it differently.

Exactly and then they whine about not being able to take their phones
overseas. They think the Universe revolves around them but they are
mistaken.


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On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:51:21 GMT Michael may have written:
> >> Labelling 3GSM as anything else is very confusing to people not
> >> aware of the technology and standards.
> >
> > I accept everything else you say, but the term 3GSM could cause some
> > confusion for some people. Many people know of the distance
> > limitation of GSM. Calling it 3GSM will surely cause confusion
> > about its range.
>
> Nope

Of course it will. You're average user might know about GSM's distance
limit but is far less likely to know that 3GSM is based on CDMA, not
TDMA.

PD

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Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/

"Paul Day" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:51:21 GMT Michael may have written:
>> >> Labelling 3GSM as anything else is very confusing to people not
>> >> aware of the technology and standards.
>> >
>> > I accept everything else you say, but the term 3GSM could cause some
>> > confusion for some people. Many people know of the distance
>> > limitation of GSM. Calling it 3GSM will surely cause confusion
>> > about its range.
>>
>> Nope
>
> Of course it will. You're average user might know about GSM's distance
> limit but is far less likely to know that 3GSM is based on CDMA, not
> TDMA.

Average Joe doesn't care for acronyms, they dont call it "GSM". They call it
"digital", "CDMA", and now "3G"
Youre out of touch with the common man

Paul Day wrote:

> Of course it will. You're average user might know about GSM's distance
> limit but is far less likely to know that 3GSM is based on CDMA, not
> TDMA.

And most users won't know what the **** TDMA, WCDMA, UTMS and all these
other abbreviations that people are throwing about there, mean.

I certainly don't, and I don't really care. As long as when I rock up to
a phone dealer, say that I want a phone that I can use anywhere outside
of the major metro centres, the dealer can supply me with an appropriate
phone.

When I'm trying to find out exactly what's available for either the
current or the new 3G service, I'm fronted with an array of
techno-babbleish terms that really don't tell me anything. And some
sites don't even tell you what freqs that their phones operate on.

The marketting people really have a long way to go with respect to
making this more easily understood, and hence, (and more importantly),
for the consumer to be able to make an informed choice as to what
product he or she needs, not what the dealer's going to sell them.
There's a difference between buying something, and having something sold
to you.

"Emjaye" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Paul Day wrote:
>
>> Of course it will. You're average user might know about GSM's distance
>> limit but is far less likely to know that 3GSM is based on CDMA, not
>> TDMA.
>
> And most users won't know what the **** TDMA, WCDMA, UTMS and all these
> other abbreviations that people are throwing about there, mean.

Agreed

Michael wrote:
> "Emjaye" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Paul Day wrote:
>>
>>> Of course it will. You're average user might know about GSM's distance
>>> limit but is far less likely to know that 3GSM is based on CDMA, not
>>> TDMA.
>> And most users won't know what the **** TDMA, WCDMA, UTMS and all these
>> other abbreviations that people are throwing about there, mean.
>
> Agreed
>
>
>
Most people won't know what those abbreviations mean. Many people know
about the 35 km limit with standard GSM services. Most GSM phones have
GSM printed on them somewhere. If a service is identified as 3GSM,
there is definately room for confusion. They're producing two different
products with two very similar names.

If there's no chance of similar names causing confusion, we could just
call it AMPS, and naturally everyone would know that this AMPS was
totally different from the original AMPS

"Graeme Willox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Michael wrote:
>> "Emjaye" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Paul Day wrote:
>>>
>>>> Of course it will. You're average user might know about GSM's distance
>>>> limit but is far less likely to know that 3GSM is based on CDMA, not
>>>> TDMA.
>>> And most users won't know what the **** TDMA, WCDMA, UTMS and all these
>>> other abbreviations that people are throwing about there, mean.
>>
>> Agreed
>>
>>
>>
> Most people won't know what those abbreviations mean. Many people know
> about the 35 km limit with standard GSM services. Most GSM phones have

Very few people know of a hard limit, and the actual km. They know it just
doesnt work as well as AMPS or CDMA does

> GSM printed on them somewhere. If a service is identified as 3GSM, there
> is definately room for confusion. They're producing two different

No room for confusion

> products with two very similar names.
>
> If there's no chance of similar names causing confusion, we could just
> call it AMPS, and naturally everyone would know that this AMPS was totally
> different from the original AMPS

That would be completely ****ed