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  1. #1
    Can 3G phones be unlocked to operate on any another network besides
    CDMA, please? Someone is selling a "3G" LG phone on eBay and it has
    the 3 logo on the phone and they reckon its been unlocked?

    In the USA they rate their phones for cochlear implant, hearing-aid
    capability, usually M4/T4 being the best, or M3/T3. Do any of the main
    manufacturers in Australia give information such as this, please?

    I am NOT finding the different manufacturers sites, Nokia, Motorola
    etc, very user friendly, is there a main site where all brands and
    networks are talked about?

    Being hearing impaired, one hearing aid, one cochlear implant, I
    havent been able to use a mobile phone before, but now I have the C.I.
    I can. The phone I am using is a Motorola L series that isnt
    compatible with my C.I. I want to buy a new mobile phone, preferably
    with the ratings I mentioned, but one that can be used on the GSM
    networks, Vodafone is my choice.

    Any help would be appreciated, thanks.

    Ted F.



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  2. #2
    Intel Inside
    Guest

    Re: 3G or not 3G?

    Ted,
    as a matter of interest, do you know how the comms with the cochlear implant
    work
    ie. is it a direct wireless connection or is the phone audio picked up by a
    microphone?


    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Can 3G phones be unlocked to operate on any another network besides
    > CDMA, please? Someone is selling a "3G" LG phone on eBay and it has
    > the 3 logo on the phone and they reckon its been unlocked?
    >
    > In the USA they rate their phones for cochlear implant, hearing-aid
    > capability, usually M4/T4 being the best, or M3/T3. Do any of the main
    > manufacturers in Australia give information such as this, please?
    >
    > I am NOT finding the different manufacturers sites, Nokia, Motorola
    > etc, very user friendly, is there a main site where all brands and
    > networks are talked about?
    >
    > Being hearing impaired, one hearing aid, one cochlear implant, I
    > havent been able to use a mobile phone before, but now I have the C.I.
    > I can. The phone I am using is a Motorola L series that isnt
    > compatible with my C.I. I want to buy a new mobile phone, preferably
    > with the ratings I mentioned, but one that can be used on the GSM
    > networks, Vodafone is my choice.
    >
    > Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
    >
    > Ted F.






  3. #3

    Re: 3G or not 3G?

    On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:27:37 GMT, "Intel Inside"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Ted,
    >as a matter of interest, do you know how the comms with the cochlear implant
    >work
    >ie. is it a direct wireless connection or is the phone audio picked up by a
    >microphone?
    >
    >


    I have the Freedom implant by Cochlear Australia.
    You can use the microphone, but it also has a built-in telecoil. I'm
    told that by using a CDMA phone such as one of the LG's with the
    telecoil, that I will get excellent reception. But I want to try and
    avoid CDMA if I can.

    Ted F.



  4. #4
    brian w edginton
    Guest

    Re: 3G or not 3G?

    On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:16:38 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

    >Can 3G phones be unlocked to operate on any another network besides
    >CDMA, please? Someone is selling a "3G" LG phone on eBay and it has
    >the 3 logo on the phone and they reckon its been unlocked?



    Can't speak for NextGen, but I have a Motorola V3X that works on GSM.
    Sold as a 3G phone. Won't work on NextGen, though. Wrong band.
    I use it as my regular phone on the Optus GSM network.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    If this was a perfect world, we, probably, wouldn't
    be in it.



  5. #5

    Re: 3G or not 3G?

    On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:08:30 GMT, brian w edginton
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:16:38 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >>Can 3G phones be unlocked to operate on any another network besides
    >>CDMA, please? Someone is selling a "3G" LG phone on eBay and it has
    >>the 3 logo on the phone and they reckon its been unlocked?

    >
    >
    >Can't speak for NextGen, but I have a Motorola V3X that works on GSM.
    >Sold as a 3G phone. Won't work on NextGen, though. Wrong band.
    >I use it as my regular phone on the Optus GSM network.


    But the Motorola V3x wasn't released solely as a CDMA phone in the
    first place was it? Did you use the phone originally on '3' and am now
    using the same phone on Optus after having it unlocked from '3'?

    Ted F.



  6. #6
    brian w edginton
    Guest

    Re: 3G or not 3G?

    On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 03:08:26 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

    >>Can't speak for NextGen, but I have a Motorola V3X that works on GSM.
    >>Sold as a 3G phone. Won't work on NextGen, though. Wrong band.
    >>I use it as my regular phone on the Optus GSM network.

    >
    >But the Motorola V3x wasn't released solely as a CDMA phone in the
    >first place was it? Did you use the phone originally on '3' and am now
    >using the same phone on Optus after having it unlocked from '3'?



    No, Ted. It is, basically, a GSM phone.
    But it was marketed as 3G.
    I was simply trying to say that there ARE 3G phones that will work on
    the GSM system.
    If early buyers were as pissed as I was to discover the V3 was not
    compatible with NextGen, I suspect there will be a few on EBay about
    now.
    A fine phone, BTW.....much better than the one Telstra sent me when I
    complained about being mislead. A plastic VTE.
    I don't have access to 3, here. Thought it was GSM based,
    anyway......but I have no idea. But someone, here, said it was when
    I posted about the matter a week or so back.

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    If this was a perfect world, we, probably, wouldn't
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  7. #7
    Paul Day
    Guest

    Re: 3G or not 3G?

    On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 03:08:26 GMT [email protected] may have written:
    > But the Motorola V3x wasn't released solely as a CDMA phone in the
    > first place was it? Did you use the phone originally on '3' and am now
    > using the same phone on Optus after having it unlocked from '3'?


    Don't let the fact that 3GSM (UMTS) uses W-CDMA as its underlying radio
    technology confuse you into thinking it's "CDMA" (cdmaONE, CDMA95,
    CDMA2000, CDMA 1x, CDMA EV-DO etc etc) - the 2G/2.5G/2.75G Qualcomm
    competitor to GSM.

    PD

    --
    Paul Day
    Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/



  8. #8
    brian w edginton
    Guest

    Re: 3G or not 3G?

    On 30 Oct 2006 04:54:11 +0800, Paul Day <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 03:08:26 GMT [email protected] may have written:
    >> But the Motorola V3x wasn't released solely as a CDMA phone in the
    >> first place was it? Did you use the phone originally on '3' and am now
    >> using the same phone on Optus after having it unlocked from '3'?

    >
    >Don't let the fact that 3GSM (UMTS) uses W-CDMA as its underlying radio
    >technology confuse you into thinking it's "CDMA" (cdmaONE, CDMA95,
    >CDMA2000, CDMA 1x, CDMA EV-DO etc etc) - the 2G/2.5G/2.75G Qualcomm
    >competitor to GSM.
    >
    >PD


    Thanks, Paul.

    I don't think has had his original question answered yet, though....I
    had a shot but wasn't sure.
    As far as I can tell, Ted was asking if a 3g phone from the 3 network
    is gonna work on an "old" GSM net?

    I have done a little research and am convinced it will. After all, 3
    users had to rely on roaming to Telstra's GSM network to get coverage
    outside of 3s area.

    As I said, my Mororola does it....sure, is not a 3 phone, but it's 3G
    band is, I think, the same as 3s.
    Actually, I see 3 is offering the V3x on their website.

    Ted has, probably, realized, now, Telstra's NextGen operates on a much
    different band than does 3s 3G.

    I hope I haven't muddied the waters any further.

    Any feedback, Ted?
    -------------------------------------------------------------------


    If this was a perfect world, we, probably, wouldn't
    be in it.



  9. #9
    Paul Day
    Guest

    Re: 3G or not 3G?

    On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:16:38 GMT [email protected] may have written:
    > Can 3G phones be unlocked


    Generally, yes - either legitimately or illegitimately.

    > to operate on any another network besides CDMA, please?


    Hm, you appear to be getting confused here. "CDMA" implies the Qualcomm
    CDMA mobile standard that Telstra _currently_ runs at 850MHz. CDMA,
    cdmaone, CDMA95, CDMA2000, CDMA 1xRTT, CDMA EV-DO etc etc.

    However, 3GSM (UMTS) uses W-CDMA as its underlying radio, as opposed to
    GSM's TDMA. Don't let this confuse you into thinking 3GSM/UMTS is in any
    way interchangable with CDMA.

    Finally, there's the whole bands issue. In the vast majority of the
    world GSM runs on 900MHz and 1800MHz. In North America they use 1900MHz
    and then 850MHz. 3GSM on the other hand, the majority of deployments use
    1900MHz/2100MHz (including the Three/Telstra and Vodafone/Optus 3GSM
    networks here in Australia). Telstra have also just released a 3GSM
    network using 850MHz which they're marketting as "NextG", for which
    there are only a handful of handsets.

    Telstra's CDMA network (due to be closed early 2008 now they've
    deployed/ing NextG) runs on 850MHz too, sharing with NextG, using the
    old analog spectrum.

    > Someone is selling a "3G" LG phone on eBay and it has the 3 logo on
    > the phone and they reckon its been unlocked?


    Then it's quite possible it _has_. I don't know what Three's stance on
    unlocking is (ie, they'll do it for a fee etc etc) as I've never used
    them. But there's nothing stopping the person getting it unlocked
    through other means so it'll take anotehr operator's SIM card.

    PD

    --
    Paul Day
    Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/



  10. #10
    Paul Day
    Guest

    Re: 3G or not 3G?

    On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:02:33 GMT brian w edginton may have written:
    > I don't think has had his original question answered yet, though....I
    > had a shot but wasn't sure. As far as I can tell, Ted was asking if a
    > 3g phone from the 3 network is gonna work on an "old" GSM net?


    Ah, was he? If that's the case then "yes". Three themselves let their
    handsets roam onto Telstra's 900/1800Mhz 2.5G GSM network.

    3GSM is the way forward for GSM, so the handsets currently all seem to
    come with at least 900/1800MHz GSM, lots with 1900MHz (for North
    America) and some even with 850MHz.

    That's one reason 3GSM handsets have generally been bigger: They'll have
    the bits to do both 3GMS/UMTS/W-CDMA at 2100/1900MHz and GSM/TDMA at
    900/1800/1900MHz.

    > I have done a little research and am convinced it will. After all, 3
    > users had to rely on roaming to Telstra's GSM network to get coverage
    > outside of 3s area.


    Correct. Used to be Voda back in the early days IIRC.

    > As I said, my Mororola does it....sure, is not a 3 phone, but it's 3G
    > band is, I think, the same as 3s.


    Correct. Telstra's original "3G" network was/is actually Three's "3G"
    network. Three is all marketting and heavily branded & locked handsets,
    but at the end of the day they're still a plain old UMTS network running
    on 1900/2100MHz like the vast majority of 3GSM networks.

    > Ted has, probably, realized, now, Telstra's NextGen operates on a much
    > different band than does 3s 3G.


    Correct, NextG = 3GSM/UMTS/W-CDMA on 850MHz and also has HSDPA switched
    on (high-speed 3.5G data).

    > I hope I haven't muddied the waters any further.


    Nothing's ever simple.

    PD

    --
    Paul Day
    Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/



  11. #11
    brian w edginton
    Guest

    Re: 3G or not 3G?

    On 30 Oct 2006 07:12:47 +0800, Paul Day <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:02:33 GMT brian w edginton may have written:
    >> I don't think has had his original question answered yet, though....I
    >> had a shot but wasn't sure. As far as I can tell, Ted was asking if a
    >> 3g phone from the 3 network is gonna work on an "old" GSM net?

    >
    >Ah, was he? If that's the case then "yes". Three themselves let their
    >handsets roam onto Telstra's 900/1800Mhz 2.5G GSM network.
    >
    >3GSM is the way forward for GSM, so the handsets currently all seem to
    >come with at least 900/1800MHz GSM, lots with 1900MHz (for North
    >America) and some even with 850MHz.
    >
    >That's one reason 3GSM handsets have generally been bigger: They'll have
    >the bits to do both 3GMS/UMTS/W-CDMA at 2100/1900MHz and GSM/TDMA at
    >900/1800/1900MHz.
    >
    >> I have done a little research and am convinced it will. After all, 3
    >> users had to rely on roaming to Telstra's GSM network to get coverage
    >> outside of 3s area.

    >
    >Correct. Used to be Voda back in the early days IIRC.
    >
    >> As I said, my Mororola does it....sure, is not a 3 phone, but it's 3G
    >> band is, I think, the same as 3s.

    >
    >Correct. Telstra's original "3G" network was/is actually Three's "3G"
    >network. Three is all marketting and heavily branded & locked handsets,
    >but at the end of the day they're still a plain old UMTS network running
    >on 1900/2100MHz like the vast majority of 3GSM networks.
    >
    >> Ted has, probably, realized, now, Telstra's NextGen operates on a much
    >> different band than does 3s 3G.

    >
    >Correct, NextG = 3GSM/UMTS/W-CDMA on 850MHz and also has HSDPA switched
    >on (high-speed 3.5G data).
    >
    >> I hope I haven't muddied the waters any further.

    >
    >Nothing's ever simple.
    >
    >PD



    Thanks, Paul.
    Nicely sorted.
    I have learnt a lot.
    Sometimes, it IS worth coming here

    ________________________________________


    If this was a perfect world, we, probably, wouldn't
    be in it.



  12. #12
    Simon Templar
    Guest

    Re: 3G or not 3G?

    Paul Day wrote:
    > Then it's quite possible it _has_. I don't know what Three's stance on
    > unlocking is (ie, they'll do it for a fee etc etc) as I've never used
    > them. But there's nothing stopping the person getting it unlocked
    > through other means so it'll take anotehr operator's SIM card.
    >
    > PD


    LG phones are easily unlocked. Refer to
    <http://search.ebay.com.au/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&shortcut=0&from=R41&query=LG+unlock&category0=&Submit=Search>


    --
    The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may
    belong to.

    73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
    <http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452>




  13. #13

    Re: 3G or not 3G?

    On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:16:38 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

    >
    >In the USA they rate their phones for cochlear implant, hearing-aid
    >capability, usually M4/T4 being the best, or M3/T3. Do any of the main
    >manufacturers in Australia give information such as this, please?
    >
    >I am NOT finding the different manufacturers sites, Nokia, Motorola
    >etc, very user friendly, is there a main site where all brands and
    >networks are talked about?
    >
    >Being hearing impaired, one hearing aid, one cochlear implant, I
    >havent been able to use a mobile phone before, but now I have the C.I.
    >I can. The phone I am using is a Motorola L series that isnt
    >compatible with my C.I. I want to buy a new mobile phone, preferably
    >with the ratings I mentioned, but one that can be used on the GSM
    >networks, Vodafone is my choice.


    I sent this email to Nokia USA:

    Can you tell me which Nokia phones for sale in AUSTRALIA, have the
    M4/T4 and M3/T3 rating please, as compatibility with hearing aids and
    cochlear implants?

    Apologies, I had to randomly put in a US zip code to get your system
    to accept my message.

    IF there is a website pertinent to Australia with the same information
    I am looking for, please send that too.


    They replied:

    Thank you for e-mailing the Nokia Care Contact Center.

    We appreciate your inquiry in regards to the available Nokia phones
    that have the M4/T4 and M3/T3 rating in Australia and to the
    Australian web site.

    Ted, we regret that we are unable to fulfill your request regarding
    International products. At this time, NokiaUSA provides Customer
    Service for phones that are sold and supported in the United States
    only. You may find complete information on Nokia products around the
    world at www.nokia.com, our International web site.

    Here, you will find product demos, as well as new product development
    and news release information. This site's information is in English,
    and you can download or view user guides and catalogs for many Nokia
    mobile phones.

    you can also access the Australian web site using the following URL
    link: http://www.nokia.com.au/nokia/0,,78328,00.html

    We hope this information is helpful to you.

    If you have any additional questions, please contact us.

    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    I appreciated their reply, but I didnt think it was very helpful.
    Their site isnt user friendly and getting information as regards
    mobile phones in Australia is non existent.
    This information is freely available in the US:

    http://www.nokiaaccessibility.com/hac.html

    As you can see, they have NINETEEN different Nokia models that it
    might be worth me looking at, IF they were available here. Why cant we
    get the same kind of information in Australia from ALL the phone
    manufacturers?

    Digital hearing aids and cochlear implants are opening up the mobile
    phone market to hearing impaired people who wouldnt normally have been
    customers and the major manufacturers over here are missing the boat.
    We want to know that their products are compatible with our expensive
    equipment :-)

    Thanks to all who tried to help with my problems. Please excuse my
    naivety as regards telecommunications, its a new world for me.

    Ted F.





    >
    >Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
    >
    >Ted F.






  14. #14

    Re: 3G or not 3G?

    > On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:16:38 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    > I appreciated their reply, but I didnt think it was very helpful.
    > Their site isnt user friendly and getting information as regards
    > mobile phones in Australia is non existent.
    > This information is freely available in the US:
    >
    > http://www.nokiaaccessibility.com/hac.html
    >

    Well Ted,
    I think that the best idea is to call them. I find that it is a faster
    turnaround time. Sometimes I have to get an answer straightaway and
    callin them is the best option.
    The number is 1300 366 733.
    I hope this helps. If you are really stuck, I have a friend with a
    C.I. and he might have some more info.
    If you need to get hold of me go to
    http://www.aussiephonebrokers.com.au and then to contact.
    PS.
    This is my first ever post, so I hope this comes out right ...




  15. #15

    Re: 3G or not 3G?

    On 31 Oct 2006 14:43:58 -0800, [email protected]
    wrote:

    >> On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:16:38 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
    >>
    >> I appreciated their reply, but I didnt think it was very helpful.
    >> Their site isnt user friendly and getting information as regards
    >> mobile phones in Australia is non existent.
    >> This information is freely available in the US:
    >>
    >> http://www.nokiaaccessibility.com/hac.html
    >>

    >Well Ted,
    >I think that the best idea is to call them. I find that it is a faster
    >turnaround time. Sometimes I have to get an answer straightaway and
    >callin them is the best option.
    >The number is 1300 366 733.


    Thanks for trying to be helpful. In case you missed the earlier post,
    I am still deaf :-) The C.I. now enables me to use a compatible phone,
    my home phone isnt much good for me either. I am trying to locate a
    mobile phone so that I am able to do things like this for myself.


    >I hope this helps. If you are really stuck, I have a friend with a
    >C.I. and he might have some more info.
    >If you need to get hold of me go to
    >http://www.aussiephonebrokers.com.au and then to contact.
    >PS.
    >This is my first ever post, so I hope this comes out right ...



    The post came out OK, thanks.

    Ted F.



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