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  1. #1
    thegoons
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    Telstra's now-we-are-talking propganda website keeps rambling on about the
    Government regulations and that the Government should be contributing more
    funding towards broadband. What a nonsense. The management knew what the
    regulations were when they took on the job, and I find it insulting that
    they should ask for Federal handouts to expand broadband. Telstra is an
    absolute disgrace and the reason why Australia is in the broadband "3rd
    world".



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  2. #2
    Nole Boaday
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    Re: Telstra Blaming Government

    thegoons wrote:
    > Telstra's now-we-are-talking propganda website keeps rambling on about the
    > Government regulations and that the Government should be contributing more
    > funding towards broadband. What a nonsense. The management knew what the
    > regulations were when they took on the job, and I find it insulting that
    > they should ask for Federal handouts to expand broadband. Telstra is an
    > absolute disgrace and the reason why Australia is in the broadband "3rd
    > world".


    The **** wits running Telstra are unbelievable. It's a sinking ship.
    They'll say ANYTHING.

    http://australianit.news.com.au/arti...E15306,00.html

    > TELSTRA has warned that Communications Minister Helen Coonan and the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission would face the "mother of all class actions" if a group of rival telecommunications companies were allowed to go ahead with plans for their own $3.6 billion high-speed broadband network.


    <snip>

    > Speaking at the Australia Unlimited forum, Mr Burgess rounded on Mr Kirk, a former captain of the New Zealand All Blacks.
    >
    > "If David Kirk thinks we have a broadband drought because there is too little competition, he has played too much football without a helmet," he said.


    Stupid ****wit. Kiwi's don't play RUGBY with helmets. Go back home to
    your American ****, ****wit.

    > Australia is way out of the loop with broadband...

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/busine...166895751.html

    > Telstra can't handle the concept of competition...

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...3-2702,00.html

    > More ****wit double-speak from Phil Burgess...

    http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...-31037,00.html

    'Govt rules slowing broadband: Telstra'...

    > Telstra public policy and communication general manager Phil Burgess today said the "disgusting" lack of high-speed services in Australia was due to the Federal Government's regulations demanding it could only be rolled out if there were two or more providers to ensure competition.

    <snip>
    > He said in Brisbane alone more than 20 exchanges could be turned on tomorrow, bringing 20MB high-speed broadband to more than 100,000 people but the Government would not give the telco the green light.
    >
    > Telstra was being "held hostage" to Optus and other foreign-owned companies until they decided to bring in broadband, he said.


    YOU STUPID ****ING LYING PIECE OF ****. If I had a machete, I'd ****ing
    stab it in the chest of P. Burgess and cut him from throat to arse.
    You'd end up with something like this:

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/f...wan-whale.html

    .... anyway, in reponse to his 'Govt rules slowing broadband: Telstra',
    it's been clearly stated..

    http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communi...9274159,00.htm

    and

    http://zdnet.com.au/news/communicati...9274161,00.htm


    What a terminal ****wit. He knows it.





  3. #3
    Nole Boaday
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Blaming Government

    thegoons wrote:
    > Telstra's now-we-are-talking propganda website keeps rambling on about the
    > Government regulations and that the Government should be contributing more
    > funding towards broadband. What a nonsense. The management knew what the
    > regulations were when they took on the job, and I find it insulting that
    > they should ask for Federal handouts to expand broadband. Telstra is an
    > absolute disgrace and the reason why Australia is in the broadband "3rd
    > world".


    The ****wits running Telstra are unbelievable. It's a sinking ship.
    They'll say ANYTHING.

    http://australianit.news.com.au/arti...E15306,00.html

    > TELSTRA has warned that Communications Minister Helen Coonan and the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission would face the "mother of all class actions" if a group of rival telecommunications companies were allowed to go ahead with plans for their own $3.6 billion high-speed broadband network.


    <snip>

    > Speaking at the Australia Unlimited forum, Mr Burgess rounded on Mr Kirk, a former captain of the New Zealand All Blacks.
    >
    > "If David Kirk thinks we have a broadband drought because there is too little competition, he has played too much football without a helmet," he said.


    Stupid ****wit. Kiwi's don't play RUGBY with helmets. Go back home to
    your American ****, ****wit.

    > Australia is way out of the loop with broadband...

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/busine...166895751.html

    > Telstra can't handle the concept of competition...

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...3-2702,00.html

    > More ****wit double-speak from Phil Burgess...

    http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...-31037,00.html

    'Govt rules slowing broadband: Telstra'...

    > Telstra public policy and communication general manager Phil Burgess today said the "disgusting" lack of high-speed services in Australia was due to the Federal Government's regulations demanding it could only be rolled out if there were two or more providers to ensure competition.

    <snip>
    > He said in Brisbane alone more than 20 exchanges could be turned on tomorrow, bringing 20MB high-speed broadband to more than 100,000 people but the Government would not give the telco the green light.
    >
    > Telstra was being "held hostage" to Optus and other foreign-owned companies until they decided to bring in broadband, he said.


    YOU STUPID ****ING LYING PIECE OF ****. If I had a machete, I'd ****ing
    stab it in the chest of P. Burgess and cut him from throat to arse.
    You'd end up with something like this:

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/f...wan-whale.html

    .... anyway, in reponse to his 'Govt rules slowing broadband: Telstra',
    it's been clearly stated..

    http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communi...9274159,00.htm

    and

    http://zdnet.com.au/news/communicati...9274161,00.htm


    What a terminal ****wit. He knows it.




  4. #4
    Nole Boaday
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Blaming Government

    thegoons wrote:
    > Telstra's now-we-are-talking propganda website keeps rambling on about the
    > Government regulations and that the Government should be contributing more
    > funding towards broadband. What a nonsense. The management knew what the
    > regulations were when they took on the job, and I find it insulting that
    > they should ask for Federal handouts to expand broadband. Telstra is an
    > absolute disgrace and the reason why Australia is in the broadband "3rd
    > world".


    The ****wits running Telstra are unbelievable. It's a sinking ship.
    They'll say ANYTHING.

    http://australianit.news.com.au/arti...E15306,00.html

    > TELSTRA has warned that Communications Minister Helen Coonan and the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission would face the "mother of all class actions" if a group of rival telecommunications companies were allowed to go ahead with plans for their own $3.6 billion high-speed broadband network.


    <snip>

    > Speaking at the Australia Unlimited forum, Mr Burgess rounded on Mr Kirk, a former captain of the New Zealand All Blacks.
    >
    > "If David Kirk thinks we have a broadband drought because there is too little competition, he has played too much football without a helmet," he said.


    Stupid ****wit. Kiwi's don't play RUGBY with helmets. Go back home to
    your American, ****wit.

    > Australia is way out of the loop with broadband...

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/busine...166895751.html

    > Telstra can't handle the concept of competition...

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...3-2702,00.html

    > More ****wit double-speak from Phil Burgess...

    http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...-31037,00.html

    'Govt rules slowing broadband: Telstra'...

    > Telstra public policy and communication general manager Phil Burgess today said the "disgusting" lack of high-speed services in Australia was due to the Federal Government's regulations demanding it could only be rolled out if there were two or more providers to ensure competition.

    <snip>
    > He said in Brisbane alone more than 20 exchanges could be turned on tomorrow, bringing 20MB high-speed broadband to more than 100,000 people but the Government would not give the telco the green light.
    >
    > Telstra was being "held hostage" to Optus and other foreign-owned companies until they decided to bring in broadband, he said.


    YOU STUPID ****ING LYING PIECE OF ****. If I had a machete, I'd ****ing
    stab it in the chest of P. Burgess and cut him from throat to arse.
    You'd end up with something like this:

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/f...wan-whale.html

    .... anyway, in reponse to his 'Govt rules slowing broadband: Telstra',
    it's been clearly stated..

    http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communi...9274159,00.htm

    and

    http://zdnet.com.au/news/communicati...9274161,00.htm


    What a terminal ****wit. He knows it.



  5. #5
    Nole Boaday
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Blaming Government

    thegoons wrote:
    > Telstra's now-we-are-talking propganda website keeps rambling on about the
    > Government regulations and that the Government should be contributing more
    > funding towards broadband. What a nonsense. The management knew what the
    > regulations were when they took on the job, and I find it insulting that
    > they should ask for Federal handouts to expand broadband. Telstra is an
    > absolute disgrace and the reason why Australia is in the broadband "3rd
    > world".


    The ****wits running Telstra are unbelievable. It's a sinking ship.
    They'll say ANYTHING.

    http://australianit.news.com.au/arti...E15306,00.html

    > TELSTRA has warned that Communications Minister Helen Coonan and the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission would face the "mother of all class actions" if a group of rival telecommunications companies were allowed to go ahead with plans for their own $3.6 billion high-speed broadband network.


    <snip>

    > Speaking at the Australia Unlimited forum, Mr Burgess rounded on Mr Kirk, a former captain of the New Zealand All Blacks.
    >
    > "If David Kirk thinks we have a broadband drought because there is too little competition, he has played too much football without a helmet," he said.


    Stupid ****wit. Kiwi's don't play RUGBY with helmets. Go back home to
    America, ****wit.

    > Australia is way out of the loop with broadband...

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/busine...166895751.html

    > Telstra can't handle the concept of competition...

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...3-2702,00.html

    > More ****wit double-speak from Phil Burgess...

    http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...-31037,00.html

    'Govt rules slowing broadband: Telstra'...

    > Telstra public policy and communication general manager Phil Burgess today said the "disgusting" lack of high-speed services in Australia was due to the Federal Government's regulations demanding it could only be rolled out if there were two or more providers to ensure competition.

    <snip>
    > He said in Brisbane alone more than 20 exchanges could be turned on tomorrow, bringing 20MB high-speed broadband to more than 100,000 people but the Government would not give the telco the green light.
    >
    > Telstra was being "held hostage" to Optus and other foreign-owned companies until they decided to bring in broadband, he said.


    YOU STUPID ****ING LYING PIECE OF ****. If I had a machete, I'd ****ing
    stab it in the chest of P. Burgess and cut him from throat to arse.

    You'd then end up with something like this:

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/f...wan-whale.html

    .... anyway, in response to his 'Govt rules slowing broadband: Telstra',
    it's been clearly stated..

    http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communi...9274159,00.htm

    and

    http://zdnet.com.au/news/communicati...9274161,00.htm


    What a terminal ****wit. He knows it. Telstra's ****ed unless they can
    get total control of the whole of Australia's infrastructure (Yay, lets
    go back to the Telecom days!), they know it.



  6. #6
    Nole Boaday
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Blaming Government

    thegoons wrote:
    > Telstra's now-we-are-talking propganda website keeps rambling on about the
    > Government regulations and that the Government should be contributing more
    > funding towards broadband. What a nonsense. The management knew what the
    > regulations were when they took on the job, and I find it insulting that
    > they should ask for Federal handouts to expand broadband. Telstra is an
    > absolute disgrace and the reason why Australia is in the broadband "3rd
    > world".


    The ****wits running Telstra are unbelievable. It's a sinking ship.
    They'll say ANYTHING.

    http://australianit.news.com.au/arti...E15306,00.html

    > TELSTRA has warned that Communications Minister Helen Coonan and the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission would face the "mother of all class actions" if a group of rival telecommunications companies were allowed to go ahead with plans for their own $3.6 billion high-speed broadband network.


    <snip>

    > Speaking at the Australia Unlimited forum, Mr Burgess rounded on Mr Kirk, a former captain of the New Zealand All Blacks.
    >
    > "If David Kirk thinks we have a broadband drought because there is too little competition, he has played too much football without a helmet," he said.


    Stupid ****wit. Kiwi's don't play RUGBY with helmets. Go back home to
    America, ****wit.

    > Australia is way out of the loop with broadband...

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/busine...166895751.html

    > Telstra can't handle the concept of competition...

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...3-2702,00.html

    > More ****wit double-speak from Phil Burgess...

    http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...-31037,00.html

    'Govt rules slowing broadband: Telstra'...

    > Telstra public policy and communication general manager Phil Burgess today said the "disgusting" lack of high-speed services in Australia was due to the Federal Government's regulations demanding it could only be rolled out if there were two or more providers to ensure competition.

    <snip>
    > He said in Brisbane alone more than 20 exchanges could be turned on tomorrow, bringing 20MB high-speed broadband to more than 100,000 people but the Government would not give the telco the green light.
    >
    > Telstra was being "held hostage" to Optus and other foreign-owned companies until they decided to bring in broadband, he said.


    YOU STUPID ****ING LYING PIECE OF ****. If I had a machete, I'd ****ing
    stab it in the chest of P. Burgess and cut him from throat to arse.

    You'd then end up with something like this:

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/f...wan-whale.html

    .... anyway, in response to his 'Govt rules slowing broadband: Telstra',
    it's been clearly stated..

    http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communi...9274159,00.htm

    and

    http://zdnet.com.au/news/communicati...9274161,00.htm


    What a terminal ****wit. He knows it. Telstra's ****ed unless they can
    get total control of the whole of Australia's infrastructure (Yay, lets
    go back to the Telecom days!), they know it.



  7. #7
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Blaming Government


    Nole Boaday <[email protected]> wrote
    > thegoons wrote


    >> Telstra's now-we-are-talking propganda website keeps rambling on about the Government regulations
    >> and that the Government should be contributing more funding towards broadband. What a nonsense.
    >> The management knew what the regulations were when they took on the job, and I find it insulting
    >> that they should ask for Federal handouts to expand broadband. Telstra is an absolute disgrace
    >> and the reason why Australia is in the broadband "3rd world".


    > The ****wits running Telstra are unbelievable.


    Nope, nothing unbelievable about what that fool gets up to given his history.

    > It's a sinking ship.


    Like hell it is. It STILL generates one of the biggest profits in the entire
    country, and leaves all its competition combined for dead profit wise.

    It aint sinking and wont sink either.

    > They'll say ANYTHING.


    Sure, but that what you'd expect from bull**** artists like that.

    > http://australianit.news.com.au/arti...E15306,00.html


    >> TELSTRA has warned that Communications Minister Helen Coonan and the Australian Competition and
    >> Consumer Commission would face the "mother of all class actions" if a group of rival
    >> telecommunications companies were allowed to go ahead with plans for their own $3.6 billion
    >> high-speed broadband network.


    Pure piss and wind. They aint gotta legal leg to stand on.

    >> Speaking at the Australia Unlimited forum, Mr Burgess rounded on Mr Kirk, a former captain of the
    >> New Zealand All Blacks.


    >> "If David Kirk thinks we have a broadband drought because there is too little competition, he has
    >> played too much football without a helmet," he said.


    That stupid hippo has never ever fooled anyone at all.

    Thats why he had to show up here, his only hope of
    any employment was to keep giving the Mex head jobs.

    > Stupid ****wit. Kiwi's don't play RUGBY with helmets.


    Or any other type of football either.

    > Go back home to America, ****wit.


    >> Australia is way out of the loop with broadband...

    > http://www.theage.com.au/news/busine...166895751.html


    >> Telstra can't handle the concept of competition...

    > http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...3-2702,00.html


    >> More ****wit double-speak from Phil Burgess...

    > http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...-31037,00.html


    > 'Govt rules slowing broadband: Telstra'...


    Pure piss and wind and no one buys it.

    >> Telstra public policy and communication general manager Phil Burgess today said the "disgusting"
    >> lack of high-speed services in Australia was due to the Federal Government's regulations
    >> demanding it could only be rolled out if there were two or more providers to ensure competition.


    >> He said in Brisbane alone more than 20 exchanges could be turned on tomorrow, bringing 20MB
    >> high-speed broadband to more than 100,000 people but the Government would not give the telco the
    >> green light.


    Bare faced lie that no one is stupid enough to buy.

    >> Telstra was being "held hostage" to Optus and other foreign-owned companies until they decided to
    >> bring in broadband, he said.


    > YOU STUPID ****ING LYING PIECE OF ****. If I had a machete, I'd ****ing stab it in the chest of P.
    > Burgess and cut him from throat to arse.


    You'd get drowned in the lard spewing out the cut.

    > You'd then end up with something like this:


    > http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/f...wan-whale.html


    > ... anyway, in response to his 'Govt rules slowing broadband: Telstra',
    > it's been clearly stated..


    http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communi...9274159,00.htm

    > and


    > http://zdnet.com.au/news/communicati...9274161,00.htm


    > What a terminal ****wit.


    Oi, where's my royaltys ?

    > He knows it.


    I doubt it.

    > Telstra's ****ed unless they can get total control of the whole of Australia's infrastructure


    No it isnt. And its never gunna happen anyway.

    > (Yay, lets go back to the Telecom days!), they know it.


    No they dont. They just want to have some bits of
    their operation sheltered from the competition laws.

    They aint gunna get it, no matter how much piss and wind they spew.





  8. #8
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Blaming Government


    thegoons <[email protected]> wrote

    > Telstra's now-we-are-talking propganda website keeps rambling on about the Government regulations
    > and that the Government should be contributing more funding towards broadband. What a nonsense.
    > The management knew what the regulations were when they took on the job, and I find it insulting
    > that they should ask for Federal handouts to expand broadband. Telstra is an absolute disgrace and
    > the reason why Australia is in the broadband "3rd world".


    Pigs arse it is.





  9. #9
    Nole Boaday
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Blaming Government

    Rod Speed wrote:
    > Nole Boaday <[email protected]> wrote
    >> Telstra's ****ed unless they can get total control of the whole of

    Australia's infrastructure
    >
    > No it isnt. And its never gunna happen anyway.
    >
    >> (Yay, lets go back to the Telecom days!), they know it.

    >
    > No they dont. They just want to have some bits of
    > their operation sheltered from the competition laws.
    >
    > They aint gunna get it, no matter how much piss and wind they spew.


    Except if Labour get voted in the next election. What a bunch of ****ing
    idiots Rudd and Union Co. are...

    > From the AFR, 9 February 07, Page 1.
    >
    > Telstra's two main unions are backing the company's campaign for lighter regulation and will lobby Kevin Rudd to change Labor's telecommunications policy before this year's federal election.
    >
    > Opposition communications spokesman Stephen Conroy told the Australian Financial Review that Australia was not getting the level of investment in telecommunications infrastructure it needed.
    >

    So there you have it, not only does nowwearetalking spit the same
    garbage every day, we have the unions and hence labour following the line.



  10. #10
    James Bell
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Blaming Government


    "Nole Boaday" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > thegoons wrote:
    >> Telstra's now-we-are-talking propganda website keeps rambling on about
    >> the Government regulations and that the Government should be contributing
    >> more funding towards broadband.


    I'll explain it to you in simple terms, mong. Telstra is a private company,
    who like any private company, must put the interests of its shareholders
    first. It's not the PMG, it's not a quango.

    Like any private company, it lobbies government to improve its market
    position. You don't have to use Telstra, you have a choice. I merely gently
    recommend that people use Telstra because any profits stay in Australia.
    They don't go to prop up some corrupt, nepotistic, human-right crushing
    regime in Singapore, and they don't go to prop up some unwashed Londoners.

    Telstra offer great service - sure, you could save a few cents by using the
    foreign muck, but only if you like having your calls answered in Mumbai or
    Manila and you're willing to sell the future of this great country, and
    future of your kids jobs, up the river.





  11. #11
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Blaming Government

    Nole Boaday <[email protected]> wrote
    > Rod Speed wrote
    >> Nole Boaday <[email protected]> wrote


    >>> Telstra's ****ed unless they can get total control of the whole of Australia's infrastructure


    >> No it isnt. And its never gunna happen anyway.


    >>> (Yay, lets go back to the Telecom days!), they know it.


    >> No they dont. They just want to have some bits of
    >> their operation sheltered from the competition laws.


    >> They aint gunna get it, no matter how much piss and wind they spew.


    > Except if Labour get voted in the next election.


    It wont happen even then.

    > What a bunch of ****ing idiots Rudd and Union Co. are...


    Sure, but I doubt the voters will actually be stupid enough to actually elect them.

    They vote govts out in this country, and I dont believe that the voters
    will actually be stupid enough to do that in the next federal election.

    >> From the AFR, 9 February 07, Page 1.


    >> Telstra's two main unions are backing the company's campaign for lighter regulation and will
    >> lobby Kevin Rudd to change Labor's
    >> telecommunications policy before this year's federal election.


    >> Opposition communications spokesman Stephen Conroy told the
    >> Australian Financial Review that Australia was not getting the level
    >> of investment in telecommunications infrastructure it needed.


    > So there you have it, not only does nowwearetalking spit the same garbage every day, we have the
    > unions and hence labour following the line.


    And almost none of the voters take any notice of it at all.

    They vote on much more fundamental issues than that.





  12. #12
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Blaming Government

    James Bell <[email protected]> wrote
    > Nole Boaday <[email protected]> wrote
    >> thegoons wrote


    >>> Telstra's now-we-are-talking propganda website keeps rambling on about the Government
    >>> regulations and that the Government should be contributing more funding towards broadband.


    > I'll explain it to you in simple terms, mong. Telstra is a private
    > company, who like any private company, must put the interests of its shareholders first. It's not
    > the PMG, it's not a quango.


    > Like any private company, it lobbies government to improve its market
    > position. You don't have to use Telstra, you have a choice. I merely gently recommend that people
    > use Telstra because any profits stay in Australia.


    No they dont when its dividends to foreign shareholders.

    And their competitors make **** all profits anyway.

    > They don't go to prop up some corrupt, nepotistic, human-right crushing regime in Singapore, and
    > they don't go to prop up some unwashed Londoners.


    Vodafone makes no real profits, so there aint no propping up.

    Its actually the stupid poms stupid enough to prop up the local operation.

    Fine by me.

    > Telstra offer great service - sure, you could save a few cents by using the foreign muck, but only
    > if you like having your calls
    > answered in Mumbai or Manila and you're willing to sell the future of this great country, and
    > future of your kids jobs, up the river.


    Any kid with a clue can get a job with an unemployment rate of less than 5%





  13. #13
    thegoons
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Blaming Government


    "Nole Boaday" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    http://australianit.news.com.au/arti...E15306,00.html
    >
    >> TELSTRA has warned that Communications Minister Helen Coonan and the
    >> Australian Competition and Consumer Commission would face the "mother of
    >> all class actions" if a group of rival telecommunications companies were
    >> allowed to go ahead with plans for their own $3.6 billion high-speed
    >> broadband network.


    Pity for Telstra that Coonan and ACCC are indemnified by the Crown, hence
    their class action intimidation is nothing more than hot-air waffle.



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  14. #14
    Nole Boaday
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Blaming Government

    James Bell wrote:
    > Telstra offer great service - sure, you could save a few cents by using the
    > foreign muck, but only if you like having your calls answered in Mumbai or
    > Manila and you're willing to sell the future of this great country, and
    > future of your kids jobs, up the river.


    Eh? Telco competition stimulate the economy and create more jobs then
    Telstra's piss-weak call centers could ever create.

    **** off communist scum.



  15. #15
    Michael J
    Guest

    Re: Telstra Blaming Government

    >> Telstra offer great service - sure, you could save a few cents by using
    >> the foreign muck, but only if you like having your calls
    >> answered in Mumbai or Manila and you're willing to sell the future of
    >> this great country, and future of your kids jobs, up the river.

    >
    > Any kid with a clue can get a job with an unemployment rate of less than
    > 5%


    Agreed. its only the unemployable in that 5%
    >
    >






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