Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!

"atec 77" <"atec 77 at hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
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> Sandgroper wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Yeah , I reckon that little Johnny Howard's broadband proposal is just
>> outright crap and just a patch up job for the election just to keep the
>> voters happy.
> SHows how little you understand cretin
>> ( will it be a "core" or "non core" promise ? )
> it's fact , now like it or kill your self in protest helstra stooge.
>>

Telstra stooge ?????
That's just goes to show how clueless you are , you are too stupid ( or
lazy ) to check out my headers that show that I am NOT with Telstra , but
with iiNet.

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David Z <[email protected]> wrote:

>> You know if you live in the country you should expect to be a little isolated from the rest of
>> the planet.

>> That's why most people go to live in the country after all, to get away from us loud city types.

In practice plenty of them do use it for daily business transactions.

>> So why do you want to go and connect them all up just like they're living in the city?

Because they like the lifestyle and want the convenience of decent broadband too.

> You raise a good point.

Nope.

> City people need fast broadband connection
> partly because of the fast pace of city life.

Fantasy. The ONLY thing the newer broadband in the citys will do is
allow you to download high resolution movies in a reasonable time.

Its terminally stupid to be spending billions for that capability.

> In the country this is not so much an issue.

Mindlessly silly, the same consideration applys with the movies
and its much harder for many of them to pick the DVD up in person.

Cobber wrote:
> Broadband Decision
> To: Helen (Senator) Coonan ([email protected])
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:31:40 AM
>
> Senator Helen Coonan - Minister for Communications

Another email that will go straight to the bin.

> Two years to roll out all of that broadband? That's absolute rubbish
and you
> know it! You must think that there are a lot of dumb people out here.
This
> ridiculous estimate will blow out dramatically as soon as the
election is
> over.

Actually. Optus have put in place a lot of the hardware, and rolling out
wireless doesn't take a lot of time. Two years is absolutely possible.

>
> And as for saddling country people with completely untried WiMax
wireless
> technology - shame on you.

Eh? You call over rollouts in 100 different countries, and a successful
large scale roll out in Canada to do much the same thing we're going to
do here - called 'untested'?

The only people that sprout on about WiMAX being untested are either
****wits from 'Now we are talking' or the GSM camp.


> You have just abandoned a key constituency - the
> entire country population of Australia. Radio transmission is never
as good
> as fixed line and you know it.

Tell that to all the people who Telstra is migrating over the the WLL
service. A good wireless connection will piss of a rotting copper line
any day.

> Just think of the difference in call quality
> between fixed line and mobile. Country people will end up with a
> considerably slower second rate service which will be affected by a
number
> of variables including the weather, while city people will travel first
> class on high speed fibre!

Garbage. Rolling out fibre to the country is unfeasible. You willing to
pay the $15bn+ or so to cover only 70% of the population using Telstra's
rotting copper lines?

Ever heard of 'competition'?

> Why don't you just come out and say that you
> don't care about the speed and quality of service for country people?

What, 12mbps is 'not caring'?

You seriously are a terminal ****wit.

> I guess that honesty simply doesn't serve your political agenda,
particularly
> with an election coming on, huh?

Like Ruddite not admitting he doesn't know what productivity is, or not
admitting that he's a pupped opposition led by the Unions?

> Great work Senator! I hope you enjoy being in Opposition come December.

She'll be back, and ****wits like you will be working in their to be
ununionised workshop no longer.

Sandgroper wrote:
> As Kevin Rudd says , it will be a TWO TIER system in and the country people
> will get the rough end of the pineapple jammed right up their arse.

Oh and everything Kevin Ruddite says is fact is it?

Looks like we have another ****wit lefty here - just declare your
elegance before posting would you nex time.

Kevin Rudd doesn't even know what PRODUCTIVITY means. Good luck having a
government paying for a broadband rollout when the country's in a
recession - which'll happen if Rud****wit gets voted it by the mass of
sour-graps unionists (Got SFA chance otherwise).


> Using wireless access for country users in going to be crap , it will be
> patchy and at reduced speeds particularly if there are hills and mountain
> ranges between the user and the exchange , not to mention anything about
> congestion by users.

How many Telstra copper lines do you know run over hills and mountain
ranges to service one person?

Hint: it's between and 0 0.00.


> In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like for mobile
> phone towers all over the place.

That's why you roll out a NLOS system, ****wit.

> And another thing that really sucks is that the Liberal Gov flogged off
> Telstra for a big profit and now they are going to be paying a foreign owned
> company , Optus to implement this crap broadband system at the taxpayers
> expense.

That doesn't make sense you dickhead. If they flogged off Telstra, then
THAT paid for it, not the shareholders.

> Hopeful all these arsehole Liberals will be unemployed by Christmas 2007.

Unlikely. Most people care about an economy that can be managed and low
unemployment, unlike what you'd infer from the extreme minority of
****wits that reside on NTTP groups.

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:50:16 +0800, "Sandgroper"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Cobber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Broadband Decision
>> To: Helen (Senator) Coonan ([email protected])
>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:31:40 AM
>>
>> Senator Helen Coonan - Minister for Communications
>>
>> Two years to roll out all of your new broadband two tier plan? That's
>> absolute rubbish and you know it! You must think that there are a lot of
>> dumb people out here. This ridiculous estimate will blow out dramatically
>> as soon as the election is over.
>>
>> And as for saddling country people with completely untried WiMax wireless
>> technology - shame on you. You have just abandoned a key constituency -
>> the entire country population of Australia. Radio transmission is never as
>> good as fixed line and you know it. Just think of the difference in call
>> quality between fixed line and mobile. Country people will end up with a
>> considerably slower second rate service which will be affected by a number
>> of variables including the weather, while city people will travel first
>> class on high speed fibre! Why don't you just come out and say that you
>> don't care about the speed and quality of service for country people's
>> internet? I guess that honesty simply doesn't serve your political agenda,
>> particularly with an election coming on, huh?
>>
>> The Optus proposal will provide broadband to 426 country exchanges whereas
>> the Telstra plan was going to reach over 1500 exchanges! So how come you
>> didn't mention that? And as you know, Optus is 100% owned by the
>> Singaporean government, so you have just given a foreign govt a huge
>> financial leg up. Duh!
>>
>> It's hard to see how you could have stuffed this up more even if you tried
>> and the tragedy is that it took the Govt of which you are a member, 11
>> years to do it and then only because the Rudd Federal Opposition actually
>> forced you to make a decision.
>>
>> Brilliant work Senator! I hope you enjoy being in Opposition come
>> December.
>
>Yeah , I reckon that little Johnny Howard's broadband proposal is just
>outright crap and just a patch up job for the election just to keep the
>voters happy.
>( will it be a "core" or "non core" promise ? )
>
>As Kevin Rudd says , it will be a TWO TIER system in and the country people
>will get the rough end of the pineapple jammed right up their arse.
>
>Using wireless access for country users in going to be crap , it will be
>patchy and at reduced speeds particularly if there are hills and mountain
>ranges between the user and the exchange , not to mention anything about
>congestion by users.
>
>In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like for mobile
>phone towers all over the place.
>
>And another thing that really sucks is that the Liberal Gov flogged off
>Telstra for a big profit and now they are going to be paying a foreign owned
>company , Optus to implement this crap broadband system at the taxpayers
>expense .
>
>Also little Johnny Howard should get that fat ugly ***** Helen Coonan to
>stop dribbling crap about technology she knows nothing about , it was quit
>obvious on TV the other night that she knows stuff all about the technology
>she is trying to flog to the aust people.
>
>Hopeful all these arsehole Liberals will be unemployed by Christmas 2007.


Sandy,

You were'nt that fat, loud foul mouthed prick on the TV report last
night, were you ??

Something to do with building sites !!

In article <4677ef86$0$22407$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
01.iinet.net.au>, [email protected] says...
>
> "atec 77" <"atec 77 at hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
> news:4677b03a$0$1184$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
> > Sandgroper wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Yeah , I reckon that little Johnny Howard's broadband proposal is just
> >> outright crap and just a patch up job for the election just to keep the
> >> voters happy.
> > SHows how little you understand cretin
> >> ( will it be a "core" or "non core" promise ? )
> > it's fact , now like it or kill your self in protest helstra stooge.
> >>
>
> Telstra stooge ?????
> That's just goes to show how clueless you are , you are too stupid ( or
> lazy ) to check out my headers that show that I am NOT with Telstra , but
> with iiNet.
>
> < snipped the rest of the pro liberal drivel and silly comments >
>
>
>
>
Ok then foolish ill-informed twat , what ever

Clockmeister wrote:
> "Sandgroper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Sandgroper <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Yeah , I reckon that little Johnny Howard's broadband proposal is just
>>>> outright crap and just a patch up job for the election just to keep the
>>>> voters happy.
>>> More fool you.
>>>
>>>> ( will it be a "core" or "non core" promise ? )
>>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of your flagrant political
>>> bias.
>>>
>>>> As Kevin Rudd says , it will be a TWO TIER system in
>>> There is even with the dud's scheme, ****wit.
>>>
>>>> and the country people will get the rough end of the pineapple jammed
>>>> right up their arse.
>>> Easy to claim, bigot boy.
>>>
>>>> Using wireless access for country users in going to be crap ,
>>> It aint just wireless for the country users, ****wit.
>>>
>>>> it will be patchy and at reduced speeds particularly if there are hills
>>>> and mountain ranges between the user and the exchange ,
>>> Not a ****ing clue, as always.
>>>
>>>> not to mention anything about congestion by users.
>>> How odd that it works fine in the capital citys.
>>>
>>>> In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like for
>>>> mobile phone towers all over the place.
>>> Nope, JUST where that makes sense instead
>>> of the adsl2+ thats also part of the new decision.
>>>
>>>> And another thing that really sucks is that the Liberal Gov flogged off
>>>> Telstra for a big profit and now they are going to be paying a foreign
>>>> owned company , Optus to implement this crap broadband system at the
>>>> taxpayers expense .
>>> Pity about the adsl thats already been extensively rolled out, fool.
>>>
>>>> Also little Johnny Howard should get that fat ugly ***** Helen Coonan
>>>> to stop dribbling crap about technology she knows nothing about ,
>>> You in spades.
>>>
>>>> it was quit obvious on TV the other night that she knows stuff all about
>>>> the technology she is trying to flog to the aust people.
>>> You in spades.
>>>
>>>> Hopeful all these arsehole Liberals will be unemployed by Christmas
>>>> 2007.
>>> Not a chance, you watch.
>>>
>>> And your union goons wont be ruling the roost, either.
>> ROFL
>> It looks like Roodles the newsbot has upgraded some of his software
>> library and has included some new dictionary words and phrases .... Wow !
>> Pity he can't be programmed to edit the posts and to snip out all the
>> previous posts/replies.
>>
>>
>>
>> PS
>> Not only is Roodles a badly programmed newsbot , but he is also a LIBERAL
>> party newsbot as well !!
>>
>
> Ofcourse he is, Rod is a Liberal party apologist and an Alan Jones wannabe.
>
> Rod can relate well to the Liberal party because Rod himself is an outright
> liar, just like his mate Howard.
>
>
>
>
>
>
as opposed to your self the ultimate penis puller ?

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Fantasy. The ONLY thing the newer broadband in the citys will do is
> allow you to download high resolution movies in a reasonable time.
>


Rod once again you trot out crap support your bogus claim that "high speed
net in the country is only so farmers can watch high speed porn"

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>> And as you know, Optus is 100% owned by the Singaporean government,
>
> Who gives a flying red **** ?


You will Roddles.. once your kids are kowtowing to our new Singaporean
overlords..

"Cobber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Broadband Decision
> To: Helen (Senator) Coonan ([email protected])
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:31:40 AM
>
> Senator Helen Coonan - Minister for Communications
>
> Two years to roll out all of your new broadband two tier plan? That's
> absolute rubbish and you know it! You must think that there are a lot of
> dumb people out here. This ridiculous estimate will blow out dramatically
> as soon as the election is over.
It sure will.. look at every other government initiative.. you have to
double the estimate to be even close

>
> And as for saddling country people with completely untried WiMax wireless
> technology - shame on you.
Yes funny they don't mention that in the fine print.. and notice also they
never mention the woeful speed in the headlines?


> Country people will end up with a considerably slower second rate service
> which will be affected by a number of variables including the weather,
> while city people will travel first class on high speed fibre!
Exactly.. one of the key points of the Telstra proposal


> And as you know, Optus is 100% owned by the Singaporean government, so you
> have just given a foreign govt a huge financial leg up. Duh!
Yes once again our kids' future is being sold out for a few measly bucks..
how many apprenticeships for young Aussies is Optarse providing?


> Brilliant work Senator! I hope you enjoy being in Opposition come
> December.
We live in hope, fellow patriot

"James Bell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
>
> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Fantasy. The ONLY thing the newer broadband in the citys will do is
>> allow you to download high resolution movies in a reasonable time.
>>
>
>
> Rod once again you trot out crap support your bogus claim that "high speed
> net in the country is only so farmers can watch high speed porn"

High speed porn? Is that what happens when your hand slips off your cock and
hits the Fast Forward button?

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"atec 77" <"atec 77 at hotmai dot .com"> wrote in message
news:4678ab6d$0$1182$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
> Clockmeister wrote:
>> "Sandgroper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Sandgroper <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Yeah , I reckon that little Johnny Howard's broadband proposal is just
>>>>> outright crap and just a patch up job for the election just to keep
>>>>> the voters happy.
>>>> More fool you.
>>>>
>>>>> ( will it be a "core" or "non core" promise ? )
>>>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of your flagrant political
>>>> bias.
>>>>
>>>>> As Kevin Rudd says , it will be a TWO TIER system in
>>>> There is even with the dud's scheme, ****wit.
>>>>
>>>>> and the country people will get the rough end of the pineapple jammed
>>>>> right up their arse.
>>>> Easy to claim, bigot boy.
>>>>
>>>>> Using wireless access for country users in going to be crap ,
>>>> It aint just wireless for the country users, ****wit.
>>>>
>>>>> it will be patchy and at reduced speeds particularly if there are
>>>>> hills and mountain ranges between the user and the exchange ,
>>>> Not a ****ing clue, as always.
>>>>
>>>>> not to mention anything about congestion by users.
>>>> How odd that it works fine in the capital citys.
>>>>
>>>>> In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like for
>>>>> mobile phone towers all over the place.
>>>> Nope, JUST where that makes sense instead
>>>> of the adsl2+ thats also part of the new decision.
>>>>
>>>>> And another thing that really sucks is that the Liberal Gov flogged
>>>>> off Telstra for a big profit and now they are going to be paying a
>>>>> foreign owned company , Optus to implement this crap broadband system
>>>>> at the taxpayers expense .
>>>> Pity about the adsl thats already been extensively rolled out, fool.
>>>>
>>>>> Also little Johnny Howard should get that fat ugly ***** Helen Coonan
>>>>> to stop dribbling crap about technology she knows nothing about ,
>>>> You in spades.
>>>>
>>>>> it was quit obvious on TV the other night that she knows stuff all
>>>>> about the technology she is trying to flog to the aust people.
>>>> You in spades.
>>>>
>>>>> Hopeful all these arsehole Liberals will be unemployed by Christmas
>>>>> 2007.
>>>> Not a chance, you watch.
>>>>
>>>> And your union goons wont be ruling the roost, either.
>>> ROFL
>>> It looks like Roodles the newsbot has upgraded some of his software
>>> library and has included some new dictionary words and phrases .... Wow
>>> !
>>> Pity he can't be programmed to edit the posts and to snip out all the
>>> previous posts/replies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PS
>>> Not only is Roodles a badly programmed newsbot , but he is also a
>>> LIBERAL party newsbot as well !!
>>>
>>
>> Ofcourse he is, Rod is a Liberal party apologist and an Alan Jones
>> wannabe.
>>
>> Rod can relate well to the Liberal party because Rod himself is an
>> outright liar, just like his mate Howard.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> as opposed to your self the ultimate penis puller ?

Nobody cares what you think, lowlife.

1) We pay the same taxes, we want the same infrastructure.
2) She's already spent the bribes!!!
3) The business community already owns most, if not all of the tax-payer's
assests and just want to suck the profit out of the easy to service areas
and not provide the service to the rest of the country.
I think when (if) Rudd and Labor get in, then they should nationalise
health, rail, Qantas, water, electricity and communications! **** the greedy
business types!
And they should have some sort of "Peoples" bank, lets call it "The
Commomwealth Bank" !
We ALL used to have shares in most of these services and they were flogged
off to little jonnies mates! now he's flogging the rest of us to overseas
interests!

Signed, Wonko the REALLY angry!!

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Swampfox <noidea@whocaresanyway> wrote:
>> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Sandgroper <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> "Cobber" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> Broadband Decision
>>>>> To: Helen (Senator) Coonan
>>>>> ([email protected])
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:31:40 AM
>>>>>
>>>>> Senator Helen Coonan - Minister for
>>>>> Communications
>>>>>
>>>>> Two years to roll out all of your new broadband
>>>>> two tier plan? That's
>>>>> absolute rubbish and you know it! You must think
>>>>> that there are a
>>>>> lot of dumb people out here. This ridiculous
>>>>> estimate will blow out
>>>>> dramatically as soon as the election is over.
>>>>>
>>>>> And as for saddling country people with
>>>>> completely
>>>>> untried WiMax
>>>>> wireless technology - shame on you. You have
>>>>> just
>>>>> abandoned a key
>>>>> constituency - the entire country population of
>>>>> Australia. Radio
>>>>> transmission is never as good as fixed line and
>>>>> you know it. Just
>>>>> think of the difference in call quality between
>>>>> fixed line and
>>>>> mobile. Country people will end up with a
>>>>> considerably slower second
>>>>> rate service which will be affected by a number
>>>>> of
>>>>> variables
>>>>> including the weather, while city people will
>>>>> travel first class on
>>>>> high speed fibre! Why don't you just come out
>>>>> and
>>>>> say that you don't
>>>>> care about the speed and quality of service for
>>>>> country people's
>>>>> internet? I guess that honesty simply doesn't
>>>>> serve your political
>>>>> agenda, particularly with an election coming on,
>>>>> huh? The Optus proposal will provide broadband
>>>>> to
>>>>> 426 country exchanges
>>>>> whereas the Telstra plan was going to reach over
>>>>> 1500 exchanges! So
>>>>> how come you didn't mention that? And as you
>>>>> know,
>>>>> Optus is 100%
>>>>> owned by the Singaporean government, so you have
>>>>> just given a
>>>>> foreign govt a huge financial leg up. Duh!
>>>>>
>>>>> It's hard to see how you could have stuffed this
>>>>> up more even if you
>>>>> tried and the tragedy is that it took the Govt
>>>>> of
>>>>> which you are a
>>>>> member, 11 years to do it and then only because
>>>>> the Rudd Federal
>>>>> Opposition actually forced you to make a
>>>>> decision.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brilliant work Senator! I hope you enjoy being
>>>>> in
>>>>> Opposition come December.
>>>
>>>> Yeah , I reckon that little Johnny Howard's
>>>> broadband proposal is just outright crap and just
>>>> a
>>>> patch up job for the election just to keep the
>>>> voters happy.
>>>
>>> More fool you.
>>>
>>>> ( will it be a "core" or "non core" promise ? )
>>>
>>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of
>>> your
>>> flagrant political bias.
>>>
>>>> As Kevin Rudd says , it will be a TWO TIER system
>>>> in
>>>
>>> There is even with the dud's scheme, ****wit.
>>>
>>>> and the country people will get the rough end of
>>>> the pineapple jammed right up their arse.
>>>
>>> Easy to claim, bigot boy.
>>>
>>>> Using wireless access for country users in going
>>>> to
>>>> be crap ,
>>>
>>> It aint just wireless for the country users,
>>> ****wit.
>>>
>>>> it will be patchy and at reduced speeds
>>>> particularly if there are hills and mountain
>>>> ranges
>>>> between the user and the exchange ,
>>>
>>> Not a ****ing clue, as always.
>>>
>>>> not to mention anything about congestion by
>>>> users.
>>>
>>> How odd that it works fine in the capital citys.
>>>
>>>> In short they would have to set up line of sight
>>>> towers just like for mobile phone towers all over
>>>> the place.
>>>
>>> Nope, JUST where that makes sense instead
>>> of the adsl2+ thats also part of the new decision.
>>>
>>>> And another thing that really sucks is that the
>>>> Liberal Gov flogged off Telstra for a big profit
>>>> and now they are going to be paying a foreign
>>>> owned
>>>> company , Optus to implement this crap broadband
>>>> system at the taxpayers expense .
>>>
>>> Pity about the adsl thats already been extensively
>>> rolled out, fool.
>>>
>>>> Also little Johnny Howard should get that fat
>>>> ugly
>>>> ***** Helen Coonan
>>>> to stop dribbling crap about technology she knows
>>>> nothing about ,
>>>
>>> You in spades.
>>>
>>>> it was quit obvious on TV the other night that
>>>> she
>>>> knows stuff all about the technology she is
>>>> trying
>>>> to flog to the aust people.
>>>
>>> You in spades.
>>>
>>>> Hopeful all these arsehole Liberals will be
>>>> unemployed by Christmas 2007.
>>>
>>> Not a chance, you watch.
>>>
>>> And your union goons wont be ruling the roost,
>>> either.
>>
>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of
>> your
>> flagrant political bias.
>
> Cant even manage its own lines, or anything else at
> all either.

Why use my own lines, when yours were perfectly
appropriate?

>>> And as you know, Optus is 100% owned by the Singaporean government,
>>
>> Who gives a flying red **** ?
>
>
> You will Roddles.. once your kids are kowtowing to our new Singaporean
> overlords..

Get your hand off it little Jimmy.