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- 07-13-2007, 11:40 AM #1mrripcurlGuest
I have always received international phone calls as Private Number so
presumed that Caller ID could not cross international boundaries.
Monday I got a call from NZ with the number clearly displayed! I'm on
Voda and the NZ number was a Telecom landline. Is this new? Is it a
fluke? Is it widespread? I emailed a friend in Europe who promptly
rang but his number didn't come thru, so is it restricted to just
certain telcos?
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- 07-13-2007, 06:45 PM #2Simon TemplarGuest
Re: International Caller ID
mrripcurl wrote:
> I have always received international phone calls as Private Number so
> presumed that Caller ID could not cross international boundaries.
> Monday I got a call from NZ with the number clearly displayed! I'm on
> Voda and the NZ number was a Telecom landline. Is this new? Is it a
> fluke? Is it widespread? I emailed a friend in Europe who promptly
> rang but his number didn't come thru, so is it restricted to just
> certain telcos?
Probably (as I've always suspected) just a matter of both and maybe any
intermediate networks having it enabled. Most of them are just too lazy
to enable such options.
--
The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may
belong to.
73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
<http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452>
- 07-14-2007, 10:37 AM #3mrripcurlGuest
Re: International Caller ID
On Jul 14, 10:45 am, Simon Templar <[email protected]> wrote:
> mrripcurl wrote:
> > I have always received international phone calls as Private Number so
> > presumed that Caller ID could not cross international boundaries.
> > Monday I got a call from NZ with the number clearly displayed! I'm on
> > Voda and the NZ number was a Telecom landline. Is this new? Is it a
> > fluke? Is it widespread? I emailed a friend in Europe who promptly
> > rang but his number didn't come thru, so is it restricted to just
> > certain telcos?
>
> Probably (as I've always suspected) just a matter of both and maybe any
> intermediate networks having it enabled. Most of them are just too lazy
> to enable such options.
>
> --
> The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may
> belong to.
>
> 73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
> <http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT...>
Yes, you are probably right. Just wonder why Telecom NZ turned it on.
Since last night I've got friends in Sth Africa, England, Dubai and
Shanghai to call me and all came thru Private Number. That same NZ
number called five days before and it was Private then (and no they
don't have their number suppressed), but revealed this week!
- 07-14-2007, 01:11 PM #4Rod SpeedGuest
Re: International Caller ID
mrripcurl <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jul 14, 10:45 am, Simon Templar <[email protected]> wrote:
>> mrripcurl wrote:
>>> I have always received international phone calls as Private Number
>>> so presumed that Caller ID could not cross international boundaries.
>>> Monday I got a call from NZ with the number clearly displayed! I'm
>>> on Voda and the NZ number was a Telecom landline. Is this new? Is
>>> it a fluke? Is it widespread? I emailed a friend in Europe who
>>> promptly rang but his number didn't come thru, so is it restricted
>>> to just certain telcos?
>>
>> Probably (as I've always suspected) just a matter of both and maybe
>> any intermediate networks having it enabled. Most of them are just
>> too lazy to enable such options.
>>
>> --
>> The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I
>> may belong to.
>>
>> 73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
>> <http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT...>
>
> Yes, you are probably right. Just wonder why Telecom NZ turned it on.
Likely because it was just as easy to turn it on as to turn it off.
> Since last night I've got friends in Sth Africa, England, Dubai and
> Shanghai to call me and all came thru Private Number. That same
> NZ number called five days before and it was Private then (and no
> they don't have their number suppressed), but revealed this week!
- 07-19-2007, 05:45 PM #5Guest
Re: International Caller ID
On Jul 15, 5:11 am, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote:
> mrripcurl <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Jul 14, 10:45 am, Simon Templar <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> mrripcurl wrote:
> >>> I have always received international phone calls as Private Number
> >>> so presumed that Caller ID could not cross international boundaries.
> >>> Monday I got a call from NZ with the number clearly displayed! I'm
> >>> on Voda and the NZ number was a Telecom landline. Is this new? Is
> >>> it a fluke? Is it widespread? I emailed a friend in Europe who
> >>> promptly rang but his number didn't come thru, so is it restricted
> >>> to just certain telcos?
>
> >> Probably (as I've always suspected) just a matter of both and maybe
> >> any intermediate networks having it enabled. Most of them are just
> >> too lazy to enable such options.
>
> >> --
> >> The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I
> >> may belong to.
>
> >> 73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
> >> <http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT...>
>
> > Yes, you are probably right. Just wonder why Telecom NZ turned it on.
>
> Likely because it was just as easy to turn it on as to turn it off.
>
>
>
> > Since last night I've got friends in Sth Africa, England, Dubai and
> > Shanghai to call me and all came thru Private Number. That same
> > NZ number called five days before and it was Private then (and no
> > they don't have their number suppressed), but revealed this week!- Hide quoted text -
>
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There is much behind the scenes work necessary to allow International
CLI into a domestic network.
Most of the PSTN in incapable of correctly handling Int CLI, and so
the type of destination has to be considered if the CLI is in Int
format. If the destination is not capable, then the CLI must be
suppressed. Diverted calls, where the original CLI is Int format is
another headache.
It sounds pretty easy, but it's been a nightmare to do the little bit
we've got.
Consider, how would you display an international CLI on the your home
phone, in a format capable of being re-dialled, hmm? There's no '+'
key on my home phone, and PSTN switches still accept the old loop
disconnect decadic dialling too. No '+' there either.
If you get CLI, enjoy it, but don't bag the fact that you don't ALWAYS
get it.
The easiest way to make it universally available would be to build an
entire new network, worldwide, and that ain't gonna happen anytime
soon.
- 07-20-2007, 06:28 AM #6Michael JGuest
Re: International Caller ID
Yer, good post.
Telstra are doing lots behind the scenes to deliver international caller ID
soon, reliably, in and out of the country
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Jul 15, 5:11 am, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> mrripcurl <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > On Jul 14, 10:45 am, Simon Templar <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> mrripcurl wrote:
>> >>> I have always received international phone calls as Private Number
>> >>> so presumed that Caller ID could not cross international boundaries.
>> >>> Monday I got a call from NZ with the number clearly displayed! I'm
>> >>> on Voda and the NZ number was a Telecom landline. Is this new? Is
>> >>> it a fluke? Is it widespread? I emailed a friend in Europe who
>> >>> promptly rang but his number didn't come thru, so is it restricted
>> >>> to just certain telcos?
>>
>> >> Probably (as I've always suspected) just a matter of both and maybe
>> >> any intermediate networks having it enabled. Most of them are just
>> >> too lazy to enable such options.
>>
>> >> --
>> >> The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I
>> >> may belong to.
>>
>> >> 73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
>> >> <http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT...>
>>
>> > Yes, you are probably right. Just wonder why Telecom NZ turned it on.
>>
>> Likely because it was just as easy to turn it on as to turn it off.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Since last night I've got friends in Sth Africa, England, Dubai and
>> > Shanghai to call me and all came thru Private Number. That same
>> > NZ number called five days before and it was Private then (and no
>> > they don't have their number suppressed), but revealed this week!- Hide
>> > quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> There is much behind the scenes work necessary to allow International
> CLI into a domestic network.
> Most of the PSTN in incapable of correctly handling Int CLI, and so
> the type of destination has to be considered if the CLI is in Int
> format. If the destination is not capable, then the CLI must be
> suppressed. Diverted calls, where the original CLI is Int format is
> another headache.
> It sounds pretty easy, but it's been a nightmare to do the little bit
> we've got.
> Consider, how would you display an international CLI on the your home
> phone, in a format capable of being re-dialled, hmm? There's no '+'
> key on my home phone, and PSTN switches still accept the old loop
> disconnect decadic dialling too. No '+' there either.
> If you get CLI, enjoy it, but don't bag the fact that you don't ALWAYS
> get it.
> The easiest way to make it universally available would be to build an
> entire new network, worldwide, and that ain't gonna happen anytime
> soon.
>
- 07-29-2007, 03:52 AM #7MartsGuest
Re: International Caller ID
mrripcurl wrote...
>I have always received international phone calls as Private Number so
>presumed that Caller ID could not cross international boundaries.
>Monday I got a call from NZ with the number clearly displayed! I'm on
>Voda and the NZ number was a Telecom landline. Is this new? Is it a
>fluke? Is it widespread? I emailed a friend in Europe who promptly
>rang but his number didn't come thru, so is it restricted to just
>certain telcos?
If they're introducing this, then this will be ****hot. We have rellos
overseas, so when they call us the caller ID says "Overseas". (the
Panasonic cordless pronounces it as "omerrty".
So if we can start getting the CLID from overseas calls then this'll be
brilliant. We could, once and for all, ignore all the overseas calls that
we receive that don't have recognisable numbers, or that are blocked. Save
us jumping up for the phone each time we get a call from OS, as we don't
know if it's the kids calling or some curry muncher trying to sell us a
phone service.
--
There are only two ways of dealing with women, and neither of them work.
- 07-29-2007, 03:56 AM #8MartsGuest
Re: International Caller ID
[email protected] wrote...
>Consider, how would you display an international CLI on the your home
>phone, in a format capable of being re-dialled, hmm? There's no '+'
What's the + symbol got to do with it? When we dial OS we simply dial 0011
followed by the country ID and the number.
--
Women do come with instructions. Just ask them.
- 07-29-2007, 07:12 PM #9Paul DayGuest
Re: International Caller ID
On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:56:03 +1000 Marts may have written:
> >Consider, how would you display an international CLI on the your home
> >phone, in a format capable of being re-dialled, hmm? There's no '+'
>
> What's the + symbol got to do with it? When we dial OS we simply dial 0011
> followed by the country ID and the number.
You might. Those of us with mobiles who roam prefer to use the method
that works seamlessly in all countries: +
PD
--
Paul Day
- 07-30-2007, 03:21 AM #10Michael JGuest
Re: International Caller ID
"Marts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> mrripcurl wrote...
>
>>I have always received international phone calls as Private Number so
>>presumed that Caller ID could not cross international boundaries.
>>Monday I got a call from NZ with the number clearly displayed! I'm on
>>Voda and the NZ number was a Telecom landline. Is this new? Is it a
>>fluke? Is it widespread? I emailed a friend in Europe who promptly
>>rang but his number didn't come thru, so is it restricted to just
>>certain telcos?
>
> If they're introducing this, then this will be ****hot. We have rellos
> overseas, so when they call us the caller ID says "Overseas". (the
> Panasonic cordless pronounces it as "omerrty".
Omerta? They mafioso?
- 07-30-2007, 03:21 AM #11Michael JGuest
Re: International Caller ID
"Marts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] wrote...
>
>
>>Consider, how would you display an international CLI on the your home
>>phone, in a format capable of being re-dialled, hmm? There's no '+'
>
> What's the + symbol got to do with it? When we dial OS we simply dial 0011
> followed by the country ID and the number.
Whatcha on about? On a mobile the convention is + <country code> <etc etc
etc>
0011 also works
>
> --
> Women do come with instructions. Just ask them.
- 07-30-2007, 03:50 AM #12Rod SpeedGuest
Re: International Caller ID
Michael J <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Marts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> mrripcurl wrote...
>>
>>> I have always received international phone calls as Private Number
>>> so presumed that Caller ID could not cross international boundaries.
>>> Monday I got a call from NZ with the number clearly displayed! I'm
>>> on Voda and the NZ number was a Telecom landline. Is this new? Is
>>> it a fluke? Is it widespread? I emailed a friend in Europe who
>>> promptly rang but his number didn't come thru, so is it restricted
>>> to just certain telcos?
>>
>> If they're introducing this, then this will be ****hot. We have
>> rellos overseas, so when they call us the caller ID says "Overseas".
>> (the Panasonic cordless pronounces it as "omerrty".
>
> Omerta? They mafioso?
mafiosi, stupid.
- 07-30-2007, 04:55 AM #13Paul DayGuest
Re: International Caller ID
On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:21:58 GMT Michael J may have written:
> > What's the + symbol got to do with it? When we dial OS we simply dial 0011
> > followed by the country ID and the number.
>
> Whatcha on about? On a mobile
"on a GSM mobile"
Not on a CDMA. Somewhat annoying when roaming with a CDMA mobile (yes,
some people do it...)
> the convention is + <country code> <etc etc
> etc>
>
> 0011 also works
"0011 also works in Australia"
PD
--
Paul Day
- 07-30-2007, 11:31 PM #14Guest
Re: International Caller ID
>
> What's the + symbol got to do with it? When we dial OS we simply dial 0011
> followed by the country ID and the number.
OK, try this. You get a call and the Caller ID says 01112129993838.
Where has it come from, eh?
Now, if it presented as + 12129993838 you could redial it, and end up
in New York USA, but only if you could send '+'
So, maybe we need something which sees '+' but converts that to 0011
in Australia for CLI presentation. The 011 used in USA is useless to
us here.
When you dial a number with a gsm phone, not only are the digits sent,
but information such as TON (Type Of Number) is sent as well. It
defaults to "Unknown" which means "take all the digits and analyse
them as you like".
But, if you dial '+' the TON is sent as "International" along with the
digits, and switch can analyse them accordingly.
So we have a solution for gsm phones, as they understand the '+' or
TON info.
But a pstn phone, or a PABX extension for that matter, is a whole
different ballgame.
If a CLI display shows +<cli>, the pstn phone is incapable of sending
TON International to call back.
So, the switch either has to "know" there is only a dumb terminal out
there, and translate the TON to unknown, and add a prefix of 0011, or
hope that the CLI display hardware can do the conversion.
A real can of worms here!
Be happy any time you get International CLI, 'cause it's not easy to
do.
- 08-02-2007, 08:16 AM #15Michael JGuest
Re: International Caller ID
"Paul Day" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:21:58 GMT Michael J may have written:
>> > What's the + symbol got to do with it? When we dial OS we simply dial
>> > 0011
>> > followed by the country ID and the number.
>>
>> Whatcha on about? On a mobile
>
> "on a GSM mobile"
>
> Not on a CDMA. Somewhat annoying when roaming with a CDMA mobile (yes,
> some people do it...)
>
>> the convention is + <country code> <etc etc
>> etc>
>>
>> 0011 also works
>
> "0011 also works in Australia"
"aus.comms.mobile", fool
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