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  1. #31
    Michael
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    Re: Telstra warns on CDMA


    "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Alan Parkington <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Listen Roddles.. Telstra will close CDMA on 28-Jan.

    >
    > Even Telstra aint actually THAT stupid.


    Everything is still in the pipeline for Jan 28





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  2. #32
    Michael
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    Re: Telstra warns on CDMA


    "Marts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:8na9j3l0d1r0j93kd5ks9nmqc7tblv32mp@martz_57.com...
    > Alan Parkington wrote...
    >
    >> They have a right of refusal, but if they do nothing Telstra can close it
    >> on
    >> their own accord. The rule change was to allow them to stop it, not to
    >> give
    >> themselves the power to allow it. It's an important disctinction.

    >
    > Well, it seems to be pre-empting the government on this. At least one
    > district
    > in SE Victoria has had its CDMA service shut down as of Nov 1.


    load of crap. youve got a fault

    > I wonder how many other areas have also had their CDMA services terminated
    > before the Jan 08 deadline.


    precisely none





  3. #33
    who where
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    Re: Telstra warns on CDMA

    On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:04:14 GMT, "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> Alan Parkington <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Listen Roddles.. Telstra will close CDMA on 28-Jan.

    >>
    >> Even Telstra aint actually THAT stupid.

    >
    >Everything is still in the pipeline for Jan 28


    It may well be in the pipeline, but the "equivalence verifcation" program which
    was due to complete on Dec 18 *should-have* shown up the numerous holes in the
    "equivalence".

    If it didn't, the process is flawed.

    If it did, the NextG rollout isn't complete and won't be by Jan 28.



  4. #34
    Michael
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    Re: Telstra warns on CDMA


    "who where" <not [email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:04:14 GMT, "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]...
    >>> Alan Parkington <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Listen Roddles.. Telstra will close CDMA on 28-Jan.
    >>>
    >>> Even Telstra aint actually THAT stupid.

    >>
    >>Everything is still in the pipeline for Jan 28

    >
    > It may well be in the pipeline, but the "equivalence verifcation" program
    > which
    > was due to complete on Dec 18 *should-have* shown up the numerous holes in
    > the
    > "equivalence".


    Telstra's already announced equivalence has been reached. Yet to see whether
    the ACCC agrees





  5. #35
    Rod Speed
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    Re: Telstra warns on CDMA

    Michael <[email protected]> wrote
    > Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >> Alan Parkington <[email protected]> wrote


    >>> Listen Roddles.. Telstra will close CDMA on 28-Jan.


    >> Even Telstra aint actually THAT stupid.


    > Everything is still in the pipeline for Jan 28


    There is no pipeline, and even telstra aint actually stupid enough to shut it down on that day, you watch.





  6. #36
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Telstra warns on CDMA

    Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "who where" <not [email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:04:14 GMT, "Michael" <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>> Alan Parkington <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Listen Roddles.. Telstra will close CDMA on 28-Jan.
    >>>>
    >>>> Even Telstra aint actually THAT stupid.
    >>>
    >>> Everything is still in the pipeline for Jan 28

    >>
    >> It may well be in the pipeline, but the "equivalence verifcation"
    >> program which
    >> was due to complete on Dec 18 *should-have* shown up the numerous
    >> holes in the
    >> "equivalence".


    > Telstra's already announced equivalence has been reached.


    And no one believes that lie.

    > Yet to see whether the ACCC agrees


    It aint up to the ACCC, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.





  7. #37
    who where
    Guest

    Re: Telstra warns on CDMA

    On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:33:43 GMT, "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >"who where" <not [email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:04:14 GMT, "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>>"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected]...
    >>>> Alan Parkington <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Listen Roddles.. Telstra will close CDMA on 28-Jan.
    >>>>
    >>>> Even Telstra aint actually THAT stupid.
    >>>
    >>>Everything is still in the pipeline for Jan 28

    >>
    >> It may well be in the pipeline, but the "equivalence verifcation" program
    >> which
    >> was due to complete on Dec 18 *should-have* shown up the numerous holes in
    >> the
    >> "equivalence".

    >
    >Telstra's already announced equivalence has been reached. Yet to see whether
    >the ACCC agrees


    Tel$tra's stated concept of equivalence - based on sheer area coverage - is
    different to everybody else's expectation that ALL the CDMA territory will be
    covered by NextG, which it ain't. The "equivalence verification" program was
    intended to demonstrate the latter. Maybe they've realised it isn't covering
    the CDMA territory



  8. #38
    Michael
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    Re: Telstra warns on CDMA

    >>>>>> Listen Roddles.. Telstra will close CDMA on 28-Jan.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Even Telstra aint actually THAT stupid.
    >>>>
    >>>>Everything is still in the pipeline for Jan 28
    >>>
    >>> It may well be in the pipeline, but the "equivalence verifcation"
    >>> program
    >>> which
    >>> was due to complete on Dec 18 *should-have* shown up the numerous holes
    >>> in
    >>> the
    >>> "equivalence".

    >>
    >>Telstra's already announced equivalence has been reached. Yet to see
    >>whether
    >>the ACCC agrees

    >
    > Tel$tra's stated concept of equivalence - based on sheer area coverage -
    > is
    > different to everybody else's expectation that ALL the CDMA territory will
    > be
    > covered by NextG, which it ain't. The "equivalence verification" program
    > was


    Which is a borked concept.

    Take a look at the GSM, then the CDMA, and then the 3G maps, for the same
    area, at ground level, and you will understand why

    > intended to demonstrate the latter. Maybe they've realised it isn't
    > covering
    > the CDMA territory


    It covers much more than the CDMA territory.





  9. #39
    Paul Day
    Guest

    Re: Telstra warns on CDMA

    On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:26:29 in aus.comms.mobile Michael may have written:
    > > Tel$tra's stated concept of equivalence - based on sheer area
    > > coverage - is different to everybody else's expectation that ALL the
    > > CDMA territory will be covered by NextG, which it ain't. The
    > > "equivalence verification" program was

    >
    > Which is a borked concept.


    Not if you're a consumer.

    > > intended to demonstrate the latter. Maybe they've realised it isn't
    > > covering the CDMA territory

    >
    > It covers much more than the CDMA territory.


    In raw coverage area, sure. But does it cover every square km of the
    country that CDMA currently provides coverage to when using similar
    MS equipment?

    PD

    --
    Paul Day
    http://www.enigma.id.au/



  10. #40
    who where
    Guest

    Re: Telstra warns on CDMA

    On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:26:29 GMT, "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>>>>>> Listen Roddles.. Telstra will close CDMA on 28-Jan.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Even Telstra aint actually THAT stupid.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Everything is still in the pipeline for Jan 28
    >>>>
    >>>> It may well be in the pipeline, but the "equivalence verifcation"
    >>>> program
    >>>> which
    >>>> was due to complete on Dec 18 *should-have* shown up the numerous holes
    >>>> in
    >>>> the
    >>>> "equivalence".
    >>>
    >>>Telstra's already announced equivalence has been reached. Yet to see
    >>>whether
    >>>the ACCC agrees

    >>
    >> Tel$tra's stated concept of equivalence - based on sheer area coverage -
    >> is
    >> different to everybody else's expectation that ALL the CDMA territory will
    >> be
    >> covered by NextG, which it ain't. The "equivalence verification" program
    >> was

    >
    >Which is a borked concept.


    I think everyone except the mouths at Tel$tra agrees on that.

    >Take a look at the GSM, then the CDMA, and then the 3G maps, for the same
    >area, at ground level, and you will understand why


    I know why. I know what their VP was supposed to do.

    >> intended to demonstrate the latter. Maybe they've realised it isn't
    >> covering
    >> the CDMA territory

    >
    >It covers much more than the CDMA territory.


    But it still doesn't cover ALL of the CDMA territory ....



  11. #41
    Michael
    Guest

    Re: Telstra warns on CDMA

    >> > Tel$tra's stated concept of equivalence - based on sheer area
    >> > coverage - is different to everybody else's expectation that ALL the
    >> > CDMA territory will be covered by NextG, which it ain't. The
    >> > "equivalence verification" program was

    >>
    >> Which is a borked concept.

    >
    > Not if you're a consumer.


    Which I am, and its the only relevant demonstration of equivalence for me as
    a consumer

    >> > intended to demonstrate the latter. Maybe they've realised it isn't
    >> > covering the CDMA territory

    >>
    >> It covers much more than the CDMA territory.

    >
    > In raw coverage area, sure. But does it cover every square km of the
    > country that CDMA currently provides coverage to when using similar
    > MS equipment?


    Nope, which is what I said in the other post when I told others to look at a
    coverage map

    And GSM doesnt cover everything that AMPS did, nor did CDMA cover everything
    that AMPS did.






  12. #42
    Michael
    Guest

    Re: Telstra warns on CDMA

    >>> Tel$tra's stated concept of equivalence - based on sheer area coverage -
    >>> is
    >>> different to everybody else's expectation that ALL the CDMA territory
    >>> will
    >>> be
    >>> covered by NextG, which it ain't. The "equivalence verification"
    >>> program
    >>> was

    >>
    >>Which is a borked concept.

    >
    > I think everyone except the mouths at Tel$tra agrees on that.
    >
    >>Take a look at the GSM, then the CDMA, and then the 3G maps, for the same
    >>area, at ground level, and you will understand why

    >
    > I know why. I know what their VP was supposed to do.
    >
    >>> intended to demonstrate the latter. Maybe they've realised it isn't
    >>> covering
    >>> the CDMA territory

    >>
    >>It covers much more than the CDMA territory.

    >
    > But it still doesn't cover ALL of the CDMA territory ....


    Which is irrelevant.

    And due to the sheer amount of coverage of NextG over CDMA, there are more
    places covered by NextG (but not by CDMA) than the reverse./





  13. #43
    Paul Day
    Guest

    Re: Telstra warns on CDMA

    On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:54:25 in aus.comms.mobile Michael may have written:
    > And GSM doesnt cover everything that AMPS did, nor did CDMA cover
    > everything that AMPS did.


    Which is why a large number of AMPS BSs were left on for long after CDMA
    was activated and why the handsets were dual AMPS/CDMA-95, no?

    PD

    --
    Paul Day
    http://www.enigma.id.au/



  14. #44
    Paul Day
    Guest

    Re: Telstra warns on CDMA

    On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:55:11 in aus.comms.mobile Michael may have written:
    > >>It covers much more than the CDMA territory.

    > >
    > > But it still doesn't cover ALL of the CDMA territory ....

    >
    > Which is irrelevant.


    ....not if you're about to lose your one source of mobile coverage.

    PD

    --
    Paul Day
    http://www.enigma.id.au/



  15. #45
    Michael
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    Re: Telstra warns on CDMA


    "Paul Day" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:54:25 in aus.comms.mobile Michael may have written:
    >> And GSM doesnt cover everything that AMPS did, nor did CDMA cover
    >> everything that AMPS did.

    >
    > Which is why a large number of AMPS BSs were left on for long after CDMA
    > was activated and why the handsets were dual AMPS/CDMA-95, no?


    Sorry, you've become a bit forgetful in your old age.

    AMPS was switched off on a regional basis, not everything went at once.

    there was no "piecemeal" closure of individual bases.

    and when AMPS was completely closed this sentence STILL applied ">> And GSM
    doesnt cover everything that AMPS did, nor did CDMA cover
    >> everything that AMPS did."







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