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- 11-23-2007, 03:08 AM #16Allan ParkingtonGuest
Re: Next G covers all CDMA areas: Telstra
"Will Kemp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 03:06:52 +0000, Allan Parkington wrote:
>
>> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> > Yep, when you only ever quote the ones that have anything
>>> good to say about telstra, and never ever quote the ones that dont have
>>> anything good to say about telstra, ****wit.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Only to "balance up" the anti-telstra diatribe which infects this NG..
>> Someone needs to inject a voice of reason in this debate.
>
> You've got that completely arse about face, naturally! There was never
> anything like as much anti-telstra opinion on this ng or aus.comms before
> you started posting your crap! In fact, some of the people who balance up
> your nonsense were posting much more pro-telstra stuff before. The anti-
> telstra stuff is there to balance your propaganda, not the other way
> round!
No, I have been posting here for several years, just under a pseudonym. I
know what this group is like..
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- 11-23-2007, 06:46 AM #17SpokesGuest
Re: Next G covers all CDMA areas: Telstra
On Nov 22, 10:45 pm, "Allan Parkington"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Fromhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/22/2097871.htm
>
> Telstra says it's confident all its Territory customers currently using its
> CDMA network will have similar coverage on its new Next G network.
>
> The CDMA network will stop working on January 28.
>
> Telstra spokesman Geoff Booth says people still using the old network should
> buy their new handsets and other equipment as soon as they can.
>
> He says no matter where people live in the Territory, if they had CDMA
> coverage, they'll also have coverage under Next G.
>
> "We drove 12,000 kilometres testing the CDMA network versus the Next G
> network. We've declared to government that we have network equivalence and
> we are very, very confident that that is the case."
I like to see results by an independent tester before I'm convinced of
the network coverage.
At this stage it looks like Jan 28 is still the cut-off date.
Switch over to GSM/NextG or else you lose your CDMA number. Once its
gone, it's gone.
- 11-23-2007, 04:48 PM #18Rod SpeedGuest
Re: Next G covers all CDMA areas: Telstra
Spokes <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Nov 22, 10:45 pm, "Allan Parkington"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Fromhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/22/2097871.htm
>>
>> Telstra says it's confident all its Territory customers currently
>> using its CDMA network will have similar coverage on its new Next G
>> network.
>>
>> The CDMA network will stop working on January 28.
>>
>> Telstra spokesman Geoff Booth says people still using the old
>> network should buy their new handsets and other equipment as soon as
>> they can.
>>
>> He says no matter where people live in the Territory, if they had
>> CDMA coverage, they'll also have coverage under Next G.
>>
>> "We drove 12,000 kilometres testing the CDMA network versus the Next
>> G network. We've declared to government that we have network
>> equivalence and we are very, very confident that that is the case."
> I like to see results by an independent tester before I'm convinced of the network coverage.
> At this stage it looks like Jan 28 is still the cut-off date.
Unlikely that the ACMA will have decided that Telstra aint lying by then.
> Switch over to GSM/NextG or else you lose your CDMA number.
No need to do that for months, makes more sense to wait until we see what happens on that date.
> Once its gone, it's gone.
Wrong, the number doesnt evaporate when the cdma system is turned off.
- 11-23-2007, 04:49 PM #19Rod SpeedGuest
Re: Next G covers all CDMA areas: Telstra
Allan Parkington <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Will Kemp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 03:06:52 +0000, Allan Parkington wrote:
>>
>>> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> Yep, when you only ever quote the ones that have anything
>>>> good to say about telstra, and never ever quote the ones that dont
>>>> have anything good to say about telstra, ****wit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Only to "balance up" the anti-telstra diatribe which infects this
>>> NG.. Someone needs to inject a voice of reason in this debate.
>>
>> You've got that completely arse about face, naturally! There was
>> never anything like as much anti-telstra opinion on this ng or
>> aus.comms before you started posting your crap! In fact, some of the
>> people who balance up your nonsense were posting much more
>> pro-telstra stuff before. The anti- telstra stuff is there to
>> balance your propaganda, not the other way round!
> No,
Yep.
> I have been posting here for several years, just under a pseudonym. I know what this group is like..
You're lying about what this group is like, as always.
- 11-23-2007, 08:02 PM #20Rod SpeedGuest
Re: Next G covers all CDMA areas: Telstra
popeye <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:48:13 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Spokes <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Nov 22, 10:45 pm, "Allan Parkington"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Fromhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/22/2097871.htm
>>>>
>>>> Telstra says it's confident all its Territory customers currently
>>>> using its CDMA network will have similar coverage on its new Next G
>>>> network.
>>>>
>>>> The CDMA network will stop working on January 28.
>>>>
>>>> Telstra spokesman Geoff Booth says people still using the old
>>>> network should buy their new handsets and other equipment as soon
>>>> as they can.
>>>>
>>>> He says no matter where people live in the Territory, if they had
>>>> CDMA coverage, they'll also have coverage under Next G.
>>>>
>>>> "We drove 12,000 kilometres testing the CDMA network versus the
>>>> Next G network. We've declared to government that we have network
>>>> equivalence and we are very, very confident that that is the case."
>>
>>> I like to see results by an independent tester before I'm convinced
>>> of the network coverage.
>>
>>> At this stage it looks like Jan 28 is still the cut-off date.
>>
>> Unlikely that the ACMA will have decided that Telstra aint lying by
>> then.
>>
>>> Switch over to GSM/NextG or else you lose your CDMA number.
>>
>> No need to do that for months, makes more sense to wait until we see
>> what happens on that date.
>>
>>> Once its gone, it's gone.
>>
>> Wrong, the number doesnt evaporate when the cdma system is turned
>> off.
>
> No, but Tel$ra - being the bastards they are - will lock it up to penalise you.
The TIO wont let them do that, and telstra doesnt get any say what so ever on MNP rules.
> CDMA numbers they treat as THEIR property.
They cant.
> When I requested (through Optarse) the currently_not_in_use
> CDMA number with the same last 6 digits as my GSM service,
> Telst$ra advised Optarse that I could have it for a fee of $75.
> So I tossed that idea and went with a random number instead.
Different matter entirely, thats not your old number being available for
reuse on a different network after the cdma system has been turned off.
> Later enquiry for that requested number found it was
> listed as "reserved" - Tel$tra had indeed locked it up.
> Still available if I wanted to pay their fee of course.
See above.
- 11-23-2007, 08:48 PM #21popeyeGuest
Re: Next G covers all CDMA areas: Telstra
On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:48:13 +1100, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Spokes <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Nov 22, 10:45 pm, "Allan Parkington"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Fromhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/22/2097871.htm
>>>
>>> Telstra says it's confident all its Territory customers currently
>>> using its CDMA network will have similar coverage on its new Next G
>>> network.
>>>
>>> The CDMA network will stop working on January 28.
>>>
>>> Telstra spokesman Geoff Booth says people still using the old
>>> network should buy their new handsets and other equipment as soon as
>>> they can.
>>>
>>> He says no matter where people live in the Territory, if they had
>>> CDMA coverage, they'll also have coverage under Next G.
>>>
>>> "We drove 12,000 kilometres testing the CDMA network versus the Next
>>> G network. We've declared to government that we have network
>>> equivalence and we are very, very confident that that is the case."
>
>> I like to see results by an independent tester before I'm convinced of the network coverage.
>
>> At this stage it looks like Jan 28 is still the cut-off date.
>
>Unlikely that the ACMA will have decided that Telstra aint lying by then.
>
>> Switch over to GSM/NextG or else you lose your CDMA number.
>
>No need to do that for months, makes more sense to wait until we see what happens on that date.
>
>> Once its gone, it's gone.
>
>Wrong, the number doesnt evaporate when the cdma system is turned off.
No, but Tel$ra - being the bastards they are - will lock it up to penalise you.
CDMA numbers they treat as THEIR property. When I requested (through Optarse)
the currently_not_in_use CDMA number with the same last 6 digits as my GSM
service, Telst$ra advised Optarse that I could have it for a fee of $75. So I
tossed that idea and went with a random number instead.
Later enquiry for that requested number found it was listed as "reserved" -
Tel$tra had indeed locked it up. Still available if I wanted to pay their fee
of course.
- 11-24-2007, 01:53 AM #22Core2DuoGuest
Re: Next G covers all CDMA areas: Telstra
"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Allan Parkington <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Will Kemp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 03:06:52 +0000, Allan Parkington wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> Yep, when you only ever quote the ones that have anything
>>>>> good to say about telstra, and never ever quote the ones that dont
>>>>> have anything good to say about telstra, ****wit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Only to "balance up" the anti-telstra diatribe which infects this
>>>> NG.. Someone needs to inject a voice of reason in this debate.
>>>
>>> You've got that completely arse about face, naturally! There was
>>> never anything like as much anti-telstra opinion on this ng or
>>> aus.comms before you started posting your crap! In fact, some of the
>>> people who balance up your nonsense were posting much more
>>> pro-telstra stuff before. The anti- telstra stuff is there to
>>> balance your propaganda, not the other way round!
>
>> No,
>
> Yep.
>
>> I have been posting here for several years, just under a pseudonym. I
>> know what this group is like..
>
> You're lying about what this group is like, as always.
>
You should know. You stuffed it up.
- 11-24-2007, 11:52 AM #23Rod SpeedGuest
Re: Next G covers all CDMA areas: Telstra
Core2Duo <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Allan Parkington <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "Will Kemp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 03:06:52 +0000, Allan Parkington wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>> Yep, when you only ever quote the ones that have anything
>>>>>> good to say about telstra, and never ever quote the ones that
>>>>>> dont have anything good to say about telstra, ****wit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Only to "balance up" the anti-telstra diatribe which infects this
>>>>> NG.. Someone needs to inject a voice of reason in this debate.
>>>>
>>>> You've got that completely arse about face, naturally! There was
>>>> never anything like as much anti-telstra opinion on this ng or
>>>> aus.comms before you started posting your crap! In fact, some of
>>>> the people who balance up your nonsense were posting much more
>>>> pro-telstra stuff before. The anti- telstra stuff is there to
>>>> balance your propaganda, not the other way round!
>>
>>> No,
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>>> I have been posting here for several years, just under a pseudonym.
>>> I know what this group is like..
>>
>> You're lying about what this group is like, as always.
>>
>
> You should know. You stuffed it up.
Irrelevant to his bare faced lies. Even someone as stupid as
you should have noticed Mikey sticking up for telstra in here.
- 11-25-2007, 05:28 AM #24MichaelGuest
Re: Next G covers all CDMA areas: Telstra
>> The CDMA network will stop working on January 28.
>>
> Nope, it will stop working when the government tells them they can do
> that.
It gets turned off on 28/1/8 UNLESS the Govt directly orders them not to.
No evidence yet that they will. They have set themself up legally to do it,
but no guarantee they will
I reckon they will be silent
- 11-25-2007, 05:28 AM #25MichaelGuest
Re: Next G covers all CDMA areas: Telstra
"Jonathan Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> No government should be telling a private business that it has to maintain
> a service (i.e CDMA) that it no longer wishes to maintain. Telstra is a
> private business and has the right to decide to stop offering services
> just like any other private business.
Agreed
> The government should butt out and let the marketplace sort itself out. If
Agreed
> if the market wants eggs. If an airline stops flying to a given airport,
> another airline will come in and fly to that airport if the market wants
> to fly to that airport. And if Telstra stops providing cellphone service
> to a given location, another carrier will step in and provide that service
> if the market wants cell service in that location.
Agreed
- 11-25-2007, 05:29 AM #26MichaelGuest
Re: Next G covers all CDMA areas: Telstra
"thegoons" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Jonathan Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> No government should be telling a private business that it has to
>> maintain a service (i.e CDMA) that it no longer wishes to maintain.
>> Telstra is a private business and has the right to decide to stop
>> offering services just like any other private business.
>
> Wrong answer. As a telco, Telstra needs to hold a carrier licence, and the
> Commonwealth can add conditions or requirements that the licence holders
> needs to meet.
No one is claiming the Govt is acting illegally, just claiming they should
**** off and keep their sticky fingers out
>> Any private business should be free to stop offering any product or
>> service without government interference. For example, an airline should
>> be free to discontinue any routes that it decides to discontinue, a
>> retail store should be free to stop carrying any item that it currently
>> carries. And, like those other businesses, a mobile phone provider should
>> be free to stop supporting any networks, protocols, technologies, phones
>> or services that they choose to stop supporting.
>
> That would be fine, however Telstra is an ex-government monopoly that
> would stomp on all competition otherwise.
crap
>> The only time the government should step in is if a company is abusing
>> its power to ensure that services are not provided to people that want
>> said
>
> Telstra has along history of abusing power; th TIO figures are plain
> enought to demonstrate this.
crap. on a per SIO basis, Telstra's figures are great.
- 11-25-2007, 05:34 AM #27MichaelGuest
Re: Next G covers all CDMA areas: Telstra
"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jonathan Wilson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> No government should be telling a private business that it has to
>> maintain a service (i.e CDMA) that it no longer wishes to maintain.
>
> Wrong when its a monopoly that the govt has partially funded.
30 or so bases out of 1500(?) is nothing.
And they werent "govt funded" per se, they were Govt projects that the Govt
tendered, on a basis that the Govt pays the capital cost and Telstra the
ongoings.
Which gave unviable country towns real mobile coverage for the first time.
A win-win scenario
> If telstra didnt like that, it shouldnt have accepted any govt funding.
It wasnt up to them
They tendered and the Govt gets to decide.
>> Telstra is a private business and has the right to decide to stop
>> offering services just like any other private business.
>
> Any other private business cant necessarily do that unless they
> are prepared to offer a full refund to those who they didnt inform
> that they were only going to be providing that particular service
> until it suited them to shaft their customers by turning it off.
Crap ****.
I walk into Coles and they no longer sell the bread I like. I dont have any
right to complain.
If I was under a contract to buy my bread there, they would release me from
it. just like telstra is doing, voluntarily, in the sense that they will
waive your ETC now, even though the network isnt ending today
>> For example, an airline should be free to discontinue any routes that it
>> decides to discontinue,
>
> Depends on whether the govt has funded that route.
Which the Govt hasnt done for telstra in any way
>> a retail store should be free to stop carrying any item that it currently
>> carries. And, like those other businesses, a mobile phone provider should
>> be free to stop supporting any networks, protocols, technologies, phones
>> or services that they choose to stop supporting.
>
> Not if they didnt make it clear to the suckers they flogged that network
> to that it could be turned off at any time on a whim and the customers
I dont think ~2 years lead time is a whim.
When you buy a phone on contract you buy it on the basis that the network
must exist ONLY FOR THE LENGTH of the contract.
And if it doesnt, you get to break the contract and walk.
Thats what will happen with CDMA closure. There is no implied "network
lifespan"
>> If a private business does not provide services that consumers want,
>> someone else will step in and provide it as long as the demand is there.
>> e.g. if a shop stops selling eggs, someone else will step in and start
>> selling eggs if the market wants eggs.
>
> Then there's the real world where the govt chose to hand
> great piles of money to telstra to put in cdma bases where
It was a fart in the bath
> telstra would not otherwise bother to put in a base. And
> telstra was very happy to accept that money and spend it.
Because without that money the area was unviable
- 11-25-2007, 05:35 AM #28MichaelGuest
Re: Next G covers all CDMA areas: Telstra
>> The CDMA network will stop working on January 28.
>
> Bare faced lie.
>
>> Telstra spokesman Geoff Booth says people still using the old network
>> should buy their new handsets and other equipment as soon as they can.
>
> What the **** is the point of not waiting till Jan ?
Because the last offer may not be the best offer.
Beat the rush.
>> He says no matter where people live in the Territory, if they had CDMA
>> coverage, they'll also have coverage under Next G.
>
> Easy to claim. Hell of lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
Easy. Check the coverage maps
- 11-25-2007, 05:35 AM #29MichaelGuest
Re: Next G covers all CDMA areas: Telstra
"Will Kemp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 03:06:52 +0000, Allan Parkington wrote:
>
>> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> > Yep, when you only ever quote the ones that have anything
>>> good to say about telstra, and never ever quote the ones that dont have
>>> anything good to say about telstra, ****wit.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Only to "balance up" the anti-telstra diatribe which infects this NG..
>> Someone needs to inject a voice of reason in this debate.
>
> You've got that completely arse about face, naturally! There was never
> anything like as much anti-telstra opinion on this ng or aus.comms before
> you started posting your crap! In fact, some of the people who balance up
You are right. He's a waste of space
- 11-25-2007, 05:36 AM #30MichaelGuest
Re: Next G covers all CDMA areas: Telstra
> No, I have been posting here for several years, just under a pseudonym. I
> know what this group is like..
use your real name or piss orf
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