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  1. #16
    Snapper
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    Re: Ping Simon Templar - Prepaid Wireless Data

    Michael wrote...

    > >> CYS - NextG is very fast

    > >
    > > CYS?

    >
    > Check Your Settings - your phone is ****ed if NextG is slow.


    I have. Settings are correct. NextG is slow. And none of your bull**** "spin"
    will fix that.

    > > Fact remains that very few people who own mobiles for personal use make
    > > use of the 3G or NextG services, other than say, for MMS'ing. And cost is

    >
    > Bull****. MOST do.


    References? Certainly, an article in the papers the other day suggests
    otherwise.





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  2. #17
    Michael
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    Re: Ping Simon Templar - Prepaid Wireless Data


    "Polly the Parrot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:20080510142310.207207ff@dhcppc1...
    > On Sat, 10 May 2008 03:36:37 GMT "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls ten
    >> years ago. Line rental went up, and calls went down. A local call is
    >> 22c now, compared to 25c years ago.

    >
    > Competition wouldn't have been the cause by any chance?


    Competition changed line rental for $11.65 to $30 in about 7-10 years????





  3. #18
    Michael
    Guest

    Re: Ping Simon Templar - Prepaid Wireless Data


    "Snapper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Michael wrote...
    >
    >> >> CYS - NextG is very fast
    >> >
    >> > CYS?

    >>
    >> Check Your Settings - your phone is ****ed if NextG is slow.

    >
    > I have. Settings are correct. NextG is slow. And none of your bull****
    > "spin"
    > will fix that.


    Works fine for everyone I know. Get your phone repaired or replaced






  4. #19
    Michael
    Guest

    Re: Ping Simon Templar - Prepaid Wireless Data

    >> > Fact remains that very few people who own mobiles for personal use make
    >> > use of the 3G or NextG services, other than say, for MMS'ing. And cost
    >> > is

    >>
    >> Bull****. MOST do.

    >
    > References? Certainly, an article in the papers the other day suggests
    > otherwise.


    Its just people who cant CYS who dont make use of the 3G services





  5. #20
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Ping Simon Templar - Prepaid Wireless Data

    Michael <[email protected]> wrote
    > Polly the Parrot <[email protected]> wrote
    >> Michael <[email protected]> wrote


    >>> Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls ten years ago. Line rental went up, and calls went
    >>> down. A local call is 22c now, compared to 25c years ago.


    >> Competition wouldn't have been the cause by any chance?


    > Competition changed line rental for $11.65 to $30 in about 7-10 years????


    Nope, the lack of competition is what did that.





  6. #21
    Michael
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    Re: Ping Simon Templar - Prepaid Wireless Data


    "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Michael <[email protected]> wrote
    >> Polly the Parrot <[email protected]> wrote
    >>> Michael <[email protected]> wrote

    >
    >>>> Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls ten
    >>>> years ago. Line rental went up, and calls went down. A local call is
    >>>> 22c now, compared to 25c years ago.

    >
    >>> Competition wouldn't have been the cause by any chance?

    >
    >> Competition changed line rental for $11.65 to $30 in about 7-10 years????

    >
    > Nope, the lack of competition is what did that.


    We've had heaps of competition in line rental over the years.

    Cost rebalancing (approved by the ACCC) is what cuased line rental to go
    from 11.65 to 30, with calls dropping from 25 to 22c, over 7-10 years

    In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved

    >
    >






  7. #22
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Ping Simon Templar - Prepaid Wireless Data

    Michael <[email protected]> wrote
    > Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >> Michael <[email protected]> wrote
    >>> Polly the Parrot <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>> Michael <[email protected]> wrote


    >>>>> Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls
    >>>>> ten years ago. Line rental went up, and calls went down. A local
    >>>>> call is 22c now, compared to 25c years ago.


    >>>> Competition wouldn't have been the cause by any chance?


    >>> Competition changed line rental for $11.65 to $30 in about 7-10 years????


    >> Nope, the lack of competition is what did that.


    > We've had heaps of competition in line rental over the years.


    Pig ignorant lie. There was no competition in line rent when resellers
    got shafted by telstra with that tippling in the line rent they paid telstra,
    you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.

    > Cost rebalancing (approved by the ACCC) is what cuased line rental to
    > go from 11.65 to 30, with calls dropping from 25 to 22c, over 7-10 years


    Irrelevant to whether there was any real competition on the
    line rent, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.

    > In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved


    Another pig ignorant lie.





  8. #23
    Michael
    Guest

    Re: Ping Simon Templar - Prepaid Wireless Data

    >>>>>> Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls
    >>>>>> ten years ago. Line rental went up, and calls went down. A local
    >>>>>> call is 22c now, compared to 25c years ago.

    >
    >>>>> Competition wouldn't have been the cause by any chance?

    >
    >>>> Competition changed line rental for $11.65 to $30 in about 7-10
    >>>> years????

    >
    >>> Nope, the lack of competition is what did that.

    >
    >> We've had heaps of competition in line rental over the years.

    >
    > Pig ignorant lie. There was no competition in line rent when resellers


    Clearly there was competition given the fact that you just claimed there was
    a reseller

    >> Cost rebalancing (approved by the ACCC) is what cuased line rental to
    >> go from 11.65 to 30, with calls dropping from 25 to 22c, over 7-10 years

    >
    > Irrelevant to whether there was any real competition on the
    > line rent, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.


    See above

    >> In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved

    >
    > Another pig ignorant lie.


    Mine hasnt moved. Has yours?
    >
    >






  9. #24
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Ping Simon Templar - Prepaid Wireless Data

    Michael <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>>>>>> Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local
    >>>>>>> calls ten years ago. Line rental went up, and calls went down.
    >>>>>>> A local call is 22c now, compared to 25c years ago.


    >>>>>> Competition wouldn't have been the cause by any chance?


    >>>>> Competition changed line rental for $11.65 to $30 in about 7-10 years????


    >>>> Nope, the lack of competition is what did that.


    >>> We've had heaps of competition in line rental over the years.


    >> Pig ignorant lie. There was no competition in line rent when resellers got shafted by telstra with that tippling in
    >> the line rent they paid telstra,
    >> you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.


    > Clearly there was competition given the fact that you just claimed there was a reseller


    Pig ignorant lie. There was no competition in line rent when resellers
    got shafted by telstra with that tippling in the line rent they paid telstra,
    you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.

    >>> Cost rebalancing (approved by the ACCC) is what cuased line rental to go from 11.65 to 30, with calls dropping from
    >>> 25 to 22c, over 7-10 years


    >> Irrelevant to whether there was any real competition on the
    >> line rent, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.


    > See above


    Completely useless, as always with your pig ignorant
    ****, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.

    >>> In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved


    >> Another pig ignorant lie.


    > Mine hasnt moved.


    You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

    > Has yours?


    Yep, and so has plenty of others' too.






  10. #25
    Michael
    Guest

    Re: Ping Simon Templar - Prepaid Wireless Data

    >>>> Cost rebalancing (approved by the ACCC) is what cuased line rental to
    >>>> go from 11.65 to 30, with calls dropping from 25 to 22c, over 7-10
    >>>> years

    >
    >>> Irrelevant to whether there was any real competition on the
    >>> line rent, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.

    >
    >> See above

    >
    > Completely useless, as always with your pig ignorant
    > ****, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.
    >
    >>>> In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved

    >
    >>> Another pig ignorant lie.

    >
    >> Mine hasnt moved.

    >
    > You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
    > irrelevant.
    >
    >> Has yours?

    >
    > Yep, and so has plenty of others' too.


    From what to what?

    Has it moved more than CPI? Which was the context of the whole post, clearly
    11.65 to 30.00 is in EXCESS of CPI and 25c DOWNCARDS to 22c is clearly in
    excess of CPI, as the price has gone backwards
    >
    >
    >






  11. #26
    Rod Speed
    Guest

    Re: Ping Simon Templar - Prepaid Wireless Data

    Michael <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>>>> Cost rebalancing (approved by the ACCC) is what cuased line rental to go from 11.65 to 30, with calls dropping
    >>>>> from 25 to 22c, over 7-10 years


    >>>> Irrelevant to whether there was any real competition on the
    >>>> line rent, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.


    >>> See above


    >> Completely useless, as always with your pig ignorant
    >> ****, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.


    >>>>> In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved


    >>>> Another pig ignorant lie.


    >>> Mine hasnt moved.


    >> You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.


    >>> Has yours?


    >> Yep, and so has plenty of others' too.


    > From what to what?


    Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim.

    > Has it moved more than CPI?


    The CPI is completely irrelevant, telecoms cost DROP over
    time, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.

    > Which was the context of the whole post,


    Pigs arse it was, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.

    > clearly 11.65 to 30.00 is in EXCESS of CPI


    Yep, and a complete ****ing ripoff, only possible because there is **** all
    competition with local lines, so telstra chose to gouge as aggressively as they
    could where they had no real competition and couldnt do that with the call charges
    where they had real competition ever since their monopoly was ripped away.

    > and 25c DOWNCARDS to 22c is clearly in excess of CPI, as the price has gone backwards


    ALL telecoms costs do, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.





  12. #27
    Snapper
    Guest

    Re: Ping Simon Templar - Prepaid Wireless Data

    Missed this.

    Michael wrote...

    > >> **** those "poor bastards". If anything, they need to start paying the
    > >> true
    > >> cost of their services.

    > >
    > > You're not a very nice person, are you?

    >
    > Like it or lump it.


    Sorry. I'll rephrase it.

    You're a dead ****. How does that sound? Better, more accurate a description,
    perhaps?

    > > If Telstra can make a regular annual profit that goes into billions, then
    > > it's safe to assume that everyone who has a service of any kind with
    > > Telstra is paying the "true cost" and then some.

    >
    > You missed the point, whoosh-head.


    Whoosh-head?

    Don't tell me. Speed has come up with a new insult and you're grabbing and
    running with it.

    > Line rental for urban customers should be DROPPED, whilst line rental for
    > country bumpkins should be RAISED, to achieve the same revenue base.


    Yep, way to go, drongo. Make it even more difficult for rural Australia. And
    dickwads like you wonder why the cost of essentials continues to rise unabated.

    > Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls ten years
    > ago. Line rental went up, and calls went down. A local call is 22c now,
    > compared to 25c years ago.


    Wow, 3 cents price drop for calls. While we see line rentals treble in cost,
    meanwhile, the level of service, or its quality continues to deteriorate. Just
    ask anyone in parts of Sydney, particularly during the wet season, who'd love
    the idea of a regular dial tone, let alone one that can be heard over the
    static...

    When a relatively pissy company like Telstra can make regular multi-billion
    dollar profits then something is clearly wrong. All that money for what? A
    service that is hardly world class. Well, third world class, perhaps...




  13. #28
    Snapper
    Guest

    Re: Ping Simon Templar - Prepaid Wireless Data

    Michael wrote...

    > Competition changed line rental for $11.65 to $30 in about 7-10 years????


    thing is, there is no real competition in the line rental market, is there? You
    get your bundled services through the likes of Optus or iPrimus and they'll
    charge you the max of $30 or whatever it is today.

    Or you can go through Telstra and either pay the same line rental and get not as
    expensive phone calls, or pay the budget rate of around $20/mth and pay heaps
    more for calls.

    Whichever way you look at it, Telstra's nett revenue is still way up and it
    continues to make huge profits while at the same time delivering an average
    service, particularly in the area of data communications.




  14. #29
    Snapper
    Guest

    Re: Ping Simon Templar - Prepaid Wireless Data

    Michael wrote...

    > > Nope, the lack of competition is what did that.

    >
    > We've had heaps of competition in line rental over the years.


    Oh? Who else can provide copper to the residence? Aside from pockets of inner
    and some outer urban areas of Melbourne and Sydney where Optus may run its cable
    services, there is no 'competition'. Telstra owns the lot, lock stock and
    barrel. And this is something that it inherited from its statutory monopoly
    days.

    Imagine what we could have had if the PMG/Telecom/Telstra didn't have the game
    sewn up from the get go.

    > In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved


    And neither should it.




  15. #30
    Michael
    Guest

    Re: Ping Simon Templar - Prepaid Wireless Data

    >> From what to what?
    >
    > Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim.


    Ha ****wit, you dont even know if your line rental has moved

    >> Has it moved more than CPI?

    >
    > The CPI is completely irrelevant, telecoms cost DROP over
    > time, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.


    Nope, theyve finished dropping in PSTN world.

    >> Which was the context of the whole post,

    >
    > Pigs arse it was, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.


    Rod we all know you have trouble with context

    >> clearly 11.65 to 30.00 is in EXCESS of CPI

    >
    > Yep, and a complete ****ing ripoff, only possible because there is ****
    > all
    > competition with local lines, so telstra chose to gouge as aggressively as
    > they


    Not Telstra's problem

    > could where they had no real competition and couldnt do that with the call
    > charges
    > where they had real competition ever since their monopoly was ripped away.


    ACCC approved rebalancing

    >> and 25c DOWNCARDS to 22c is clearly in excess of CPI, as the price has
    >> gone backwards

    >
    > ALL telecoms costs do, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit
    > child.


    So why didn't line rental?

    You cant make the argument "ALL telecoms costs do", and then agree that line
    rental went from 11.65 to 30.

    Youre arguing with yourself now.

    Take your meds.
    >
    >






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