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"Snapper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Michael wrote...
>
>> > Nope, the lack of competition is what did that.
>>
>> We've had heaps of competition in line rental over the years.
>
> Oh? Who else can provide copper to the residence? Aside from pockets of
> inner

Who else provides competition in line rental? Well over the years you've had
Optus, AAPT, Primus, iinet resell i think, and they are just the majors

>> In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved
>
> And neither should it.

No reason why it wouldnt move with CPI. Telstra's costs have gone up, so
should line rentall
>

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"Snapper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Michael wrote...
>
>> Competition changed line rental for $11.65 to $30 in about 7-10 years????
>
> thing is, there is no real competition in the line rental market, is
> there? You

Of course there is. The fact that you can buy it from ONE other MAJOR
company (like Optus or Primus), means there is competition

> get your bundled services through the likes of Optus or iPrimus and
> they'll
> charge you the max of $30 or whatever it is today.

So you've just proved there is competition.

COMPETITION IS NOT DEEMED TO BE NON-EXISTENT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE
CHARGES THE SAME PRICE.

In caps for ****wits like you

>> >> **** those "poor bastards". If anything, they need to start paying the
>> >> true
>> >> cost of their services.
>> >
>> > You're not a very nice person, are you?
>>
>> Like it or lump it.
>
> Sorry. I'll rephrase it.
>
> You're a dead ****. How does that sound? Better, more accurate a
> description,
> perhaps?

You're an anti-Telstra troll. Ive dispatched many like you, over the years
Come up with cogent, sound arguments, or **** off

>> You missed the point, whoosh-head.
>
> Whoosh-head?
>
> Don't tell me. Speed has come up with a new insult and you're grabbing and
> running with it.

"running with it" - what are you, a wanker?

>> Line rental for urban customers should be DROPPED, whilst line rental for
>> country bumpkins should be RAISED, to achieve the same revenue base.
>
> Yep, way to go, drongo. Make it even more difficult for rural Australia.
> And

Rural Australia doesnt need any handouts. They can pay their fair share or
**** off

> dickwads like you wonder why the cost of essentials continues to rise
> unabated.

It doesnt rise "unabated" and the CPI is fine

>> Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls ten
>> years
>> ago. Line rental went up, and calls went down. A local call is 22c now,
>> compared to 25c years ago.
>
> Wow, 3 cents price drop for calls. While we see line rentals treble in
> cost,

What do you think a 3c drop means OVER TEN YEARS WHEN COMPARED TO CPI?
Its probably a 10c drop in real terms. Tried to find a CPI calculator once
but couldnt find one. Feel free to prove its not 10c

> meanwhile, the level of service, or its quality continues to deteriorate.
> Just

Quality hasnt changed. The average phone service might go faulty once every
10 years.

Mum's phone - connected since 1972. Three faults, one of which was the
Telstra supplied handset (which lasted 20 years)
My old service - one fault in 5 years
My current service - one fault in 5.5 years

Thats "normal" service

> ask anyone in parts of Sydney, particularly during the wet season, who'd
> love
> the idea of a regular dial tone, let alone one that can be heard over the
> static...

Urban legend

> When a relatively pissy company like Telstra can make regular
> multi-billion
> dollar profits then something is clearly wrong. All that money for what? A
> service that is hardly world class. Well, third world class, perhaps...

The service is fantastic and i wouldnt swap it for anyone else
>

Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Snapper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Michael wrote...
>>
>>>> Nope, the lack of competition is what did that.
>>>
>>> We've had heaps of competition in line rental over the years.
>>
>> Oh? Who else can provide copper to the residence? Aside from pockets
>> of inner
>
> Who else provides competition in line rental? Well over the years you've had Optus, AAPT, Primus, iinet resell i
> think, and they are just the majors

You're lying, as always, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

None of those do anything more than resell telstra, so there is no real competition
on the provision of the line, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

>>> In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved

>> And neither should it.

> No reason why it wouldnt move with CPI.

Wrong, as always. Telecoms costs ALWAYS drop over time, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

> Telstra's costs have gone up,

You're lying, as always, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

> so should line rentall

Have fun explaining why they havent in the last couple of years, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Snapper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Michael wrote...
>>
>>> Competition changed line rental for $11.65 to $30 in about 7-10
>>> years????
>>
>> thing is, there is no real competition in the line rental market, is
>> there? You
>
> Of course there is. The fact that you can buy it from ONE other MAJOR
> company (like Optus or Primus), means there is competition

No it doesnt when they only resell what telstra slugs them
for that line, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

>> get your bundled services through the likes of Optus or iPrimus and
>> they'll
>> charge you the max of $30 or whatever it is today.

> So you've just proved there is competition.

You're lying, as always, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

> COMPETITION IS NOT DEEMED TO BE NON-EXISTENT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE CHARGES THE SAME PRICE.

YES IT IS WHEN THE REASON ITS THE SAME PRICE IS BECAUSE
OF WHAT THEY ARE PAYING TELSTRA FOR THAT RESOLD LINE.

> In caps for ****wits like you

DITTO.

Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> **** those "poor bastards". If anything, they need to start
>>>>> paying the true
>>>>> cost of their services.
>>>>
>>>> You're not a very nice person, are you?
>>>
>>> Like it or lump it.
>>
>> Sorry. I'll rephrase it.
>>
>> You're a dead ****. How does that sound? Better, more accurate a
>> description,
>> perhaps?
>
> You're an anti-Telstra troll. Ive dispatched many like you, over the years

You're lying, as always, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

> Come up with cogent, sound arguments, or **** off

Go and **** yourself, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

>>> You missed the point, whoosh-head.

>> Whoosh-head?

>> Don't tell me. Speed has come up with a new insult and you're
>> grabbing and running with it.

> "running with it" - what are you, a wanker?

>>> Line rental for urban customers should be DROPPED, whilst line
>>> rental for country bumpkins should be RAISED, to achieve the same
>>> revenue base.

>> Yep, way to go, drongo. Make it even more difficult for rural
>> Australia. And

> Rural Australia doesnt need any handouts. They can pay their fair
> share or **** off

Fools like you in spades.

>> dickwads like you wonder why the cost of essentials continues to rise unabated.

> It doesnt rise "unabated" and the CPI is fine

Nope, telecoms costs DROP over time, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

>>> Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls
>>> ten years
>>> ago. Line rental went up, and calls went down. A local call is 22c
>>> now, compared to 25c years ago.

>> Wow, 3 cents price drop for calls. While we see line rentals treble in cost,

> What do you think a 3c drop means OVER TEN YEARS WHEN COMPARED TO CPI?
> Its probably a 10c drop in real terms. Tried to find a CPI calculator
> once but couldnt find one. Feel free to prove its not 10c

YOU made the claim.

YOU get to do the proving.

THATS how it works.

>> meanwhile, the level of service, or its quality continues to deteriorate. Just

> Quality hasnt changed. The average phone service might go faulty once every 10 years.

> Mum's phone - connected since 1972. Three faults, one of which was the
> Telstra supplied handset (which lasted 20 years)
> My old service - one fault in 5 years
> My current service - one fault in 5.5 years

The technical term for that is 'pathetically inadequate sample', you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

> Thats "normal" service

Thats just you wanking away by yourself, as always.

>> ask anyone in parts of Sydney, particularly during the wet season, who'd love
>> the idea of a regular dial tone, let alone one that can be heard over the static...

> Urban legend

>> When a relatively pissy company like Telstra can make regular multi-billion
>> dollar profits then something is clearly wrong. All that money for
>> what? A service that is hardly world class. Well, third world class, perhaps...

> The service is fantastic and i wouldnt swap it for anyone else

You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

On Thu, 22 May 2008 07:52:29 Michael may have written:
> > Oh? Who else can provide copper to the residence? Aside from pockets of
> > inner
>
> Who else provides competition in line rental? Well over the years you've had
> Optus, AAPT, Primus, iinet resell i think, and they are just the majors

All reselling Telstra. You can't call it "competition" when Telstra
wholesale charges more to the reseller than Telstra retail charges to
the end customer (ie, Homeline Budget, which is available to all).

PD

--
Paul Day

Michael wrote...

> > Oh? Who else can provide copper to the residence? Aside from pockets of
> > inner
>
> Who else provides competition in line rental? Well over the years you've had
> Optus, AAPT, Primus, iinet resell i think, and they are just the majors

So, the above carriers actually have connections into peoples' homes or
businesses? Well, I know that Optus does via its cable network. But it, like
Telstra/Foxtel cable, is limited to selected suburbs in major cities. So it
really doesn't count. As for the others?

Michael wrote...

> So you've just proved there is competition.

Only in the reseller market.

> COMPETITION IS NOT DEEMED TO BE NON-EXISTENT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE
> CHARGES THE SAME PRICE.
>
> In caps for ****wits like you

You really should be careful about what you write. Particuarly when you talk
about irrelevant crap (copper to the residence and actual ownership).

Oh, as for stating the obvious if it was an artform you'd have your own wing in
the Louvré...

Michael wrote...

> You're an anti-Telstra troll. Ive dispatched many like you, over the years
> Come up with cogent, sound arguments, or **** off

Haven't "dispatched" squat. You're forever derided in these forums and your
performance in Whirlpool ain't that flash, either. At least there you have to
keep your natural arseholiness in check for risk of being booted out.

> Rural Australia doesnt need any handouts. They can pay their fair share or
> **** off
>
> > dickwads like you wonder why the cost of essentials continues to rise
> > unabated.
>
> It doesnt rise "unabated" and the CPI is fine

Doesn't it? Cost of groceries rising way beyond CPI which includes natural
produce, meat, milk, vegetables, etc. Which, in case you don't know, come from
rural Australia. That's that place which is on the other side of the westgate
bridge in case you live in Melbourne, or past Dandenong, where, truth be known
you probably live, anyway.

> Quality hasnt changed. The average phone service might go faulty once every
> 10 years.

So, all those stories about Sydney's failing telecomms infrustructure is just
bull****, then?

> Mum's phone - connected since 1972. Three faults, one of which was the
> Telstra supplied handset (which lasted 20 years)
> My old service - one fault in 5 years
> My current service - one fault in 5.5 years
>
> Thats "normal" service

For you and your mother, perhaps. But it doesn't paint the entire picture.

Face it. The network is what, 100 years old? Nothing lasts forever and the same
goes here as well. Telstra has or had the opportunity to invest in new fire
optic technologies to replace the copper network, but it didn't. As a privately
owned (well, by shareholders) it now has an obligation to put profits before
service. And this has shown up in spades.

> The service is fantastic and i wouldnt swap it for anyone else

Here are some definitions of "fantastic", most of which apply to what you wrote
above: (I'd suggest that No. 3 is more applicable to your usage of the word)

Fan·tas·tic Audio Help /fæn?tæst?k/ Pronunciation Key - Show *****ed
Pronunciation[fan-tas-tik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. conceived or appearing as if conceived by an unrestrained imagination;
odd and remarkable; bizarre; grotesque: fantastic rock formations; fantastic
designs.
2. fanciful or capricious, as persons or their ideas or actions: We never
know what that fantastic creature will say next.
3. imaginary or groundless in not being based on reality; foolish or
irrational: fantastic fears.
4. extravagantly fanciful; marvelous.
5. incredibly great or extreme; exorbitant: to spend fantastic sums of
money.
6. highly unrealistic or impractical; outlandish: a fantastic scheme to
make a million dollars betting on horse races.

Michael wrote...

> You're an anti-Telstra troll.

Actually, I'm not. I'm a Telstra customer with both landline and mobile
services. What I am "anti", if anything, is the way that Telstra gouges its
customers and how it proactively limits technological advances or restricts the
technology that is in place.

In the case of DSL2 it was about competition and how to exclude it. Fair enough,
given its mandate to consider shareholders first. But if it has its way we'll
pay through the nose for whatever future technologies that we'll have set in
place.

It'll be like 3G services. Most people won't use it because it'd be too
expensive.

As you said, if Telstra did drop its prices, say for mobile services it could
attract another two million customers. Why won't it do this? Isn't it about
market share?

On Thu, 22 May 2008 07:57:37 Michael may have written:
> Come up with cogent, sound arguments, or **** off

Jeez, talk about the pot calling the kettle black there Michael!

PD

--
Paul Day

Snapper <[email protected]> wrote
> Michael wrote

>> You're an anti-Telstra troll.

> Actually, I'm not. I'm a Telstra customer with both landline and
> mobile services. What I am "anti", if anything, is the way that
> Telstra gouges its customers and how it proactively limits
> technological advances or restricts the technology that is in place.

> In the case of DSL2 it was about competition and how to exclude it.
> Fair enough, given its mandate to consider shareholders first. But if
> it has its way we'll pay through the nose for whatever future
> technologies that we'll have set in place.

> It'll be like 3G services. Most people won't use it because it'd be too expensive.

> As you said, if Telstra did drop its prices, say for mobile services
> it could attract another two million customers. Why won't it do this?
> Isn't it about market share?

Nope, its actually about what maximises the profit.

Michael <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>>>>> Cost rebalancing (approved by the ACCC) is what cuased line rental to go from 11.65 to 30, with calls dropping
>>>>>>> from 25 to 22c, over 7-10 years

>>>>>> Irrelevant to whether there was any real competition on the
>>>>>> line rent, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.

>>>>> See above

>>>> Completely useless, as always with your pig ignorant
>>>> ****, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.

>>>>>>> In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved

>>>>>> Another pig ignorant lie.

>>>>> Mine hasnt moved.

>>>> You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

>>>>> Has yours?

>>>> Yep, and so has plenty of others' too.

>>> From what to what?

>> Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim.

> Ha ****wit, you dont even know if your line rental has moved

Wrong, as always. No surprise that you only ever get to clean the dunnys.

>>> Has it moved more than CPI?

>> The CPI is completely irrelevant, telecoms cost DROP over
>> time, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.

> Nope, theyve finished dropping in PSTN world.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a ****ing clue about anything at all, ever.

No surprise that you only ever get to clean the dunnys.

>>> Which was the context of the whole post,

>> Pigs arse it was, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.

> Rod we all know you have trouble with context

You're a pathological lying ****wit dunny cleaning child.

>>> clearly 11.65 to 30.00 is in EXCESS of CPI

>> Yep, and a complete ****ing ripoff, only possible because there is **** all competition with local lines,

> Not Telstra's problem

Its the real reason that the line rent went thru the roof,
you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.

>> so telstra chose to gouge as aggressively as they could where they had no real competition and couldnt do that with
>> the call charges where they had real competition ever since their monopoly was ripped away.

> ACCC approved rebalancing

Yep, they got conned, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.

>>> and 25c DOWNCARDS to 22c is clearly in excess of CPI, as the price has gone backwards

>> ALL telecoms costs do, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.

> So why didn't line rental?

Because there is **** all competition when the absolutely vast bulk of lines
are provided by telstra, and telstra chose to gouge like a wounded bull
because they could, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.

> You cant make the argument "ALL telecoms costs do", and then agree that line rental went from 11.65 to 30.

So stupid that it cant even work out the difference between telecom
COSTS and what the telco CHARGES THEIR CUSTOMERS.

> Youre arguing with yourself now.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasyland.

No surprise that you only ever get to clean the dunnys.

>> Who else provides competition in line rental? Well over the years you've
>> had Optus, AAPT, Primus, iinet resell i think, and they are just the
>> majors
>
> You're lying, as always, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.
>
> None of those do anything more than resell telstra, so there is no real
> competition
> on the provision of the line, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

Plenty of competition there. If I can buy something from two or more
companies, its competition.

Whether the resellers choose to give a better price is up to them. The
absence of a price difference does not constitute a lack of competition.

> Wrong, as always. Telecoms costs ALWAYS drop over time, you stupid dunny
> cleaning ****wit child.
>
>> Telstra's costs have gone up,
>
> You're lying, as always, you stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

Petrol, wages, the cost of copper, none have gone up over time?

>> so should line rentall
>
> Have fun explaining why they havent in the last couple of years, you
> stupid dunny cleaning ****wit child.

Because Telstra have been able to arrest the slide in PSTN revenue by
offering more innovative pricing packages compared to its competitors.
>
>